RTE and the MBE

NinjaK · 31-12-2011 11:35AM #1

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1231/honours.html

Just read this news story on the RTE website. Found this line a bit funny and strange -

His Member of the Order British (MBE) caps what was a spectacular year for the Northern Ireland player - having recovered from a final round meltdown at the US Masters he went on to win the US Open two months later.

I like they way they call the MBE 'Member of the Order British'. When its called Member of the British Empire. An Empire when raped a pillaged this country for hundreds of years, and his ancestors no doubt suffered under that 'Empire'.
Do you think RTE deliberately left out Empire because its controversial or was it a genuine mistake?
I know since the Queens visit we are all supposed to love everything British and 800 years means nothing anymore but I dont think honoring that Empire is a good thing for an Irish man to do.

marketty · 31-12-2011 11:37AM

She is the queen of his country though

Freddie59 · 31-12-2011 11:43AM

NinjaK wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1231/honours.html

Just read this news story on the RTE website. Found this line a bit funny and strange -

I like they way they call the MBE 'Member of the Order British'. When its called Member of the British Empire. An Empire when raped a pillaged this country for hundreds of years, and his ancestors no doubt suffered under that 'Empire'.
Do you think RTE deliberately left out Empire because its controversial or was it a genuine mistake?
I know since the Queens visit we are all supposed to love everything British and 800 years means nothing anymore but I dont think honoring that Empire is a good thing for an Irish man to do.

Personally I think the whole thing is both funny and ridiculous. Darren and Rory are classed as 'Irish' but I've yet to see one of them wrap themselves in a Tricolour.

And as for those "honours" - a throwback to British imperialism at its worst. The british "empire" died a long time ago. Thankfully.

ejmaztec · 31-12-2011 11:44AM

There would have been an "800 year" thread about it, whatever they called it.:P

fryup · 31-12-2011 11:46AM

gerry adams is getting one

AG2R · 31-12-2011 11:49AM

Freddie59 wrote: »

Personally I think the whole thing is both funny and ridiculous. Darren and Rory are classed as 'Irish' but I've yet to see one of them wrap themselves in a Tricolour.

Freddie59 · 31-12-2011 11:50AM

AG2R wrote: »

Ah fair enough then.:o But I still think the "honours" system is as I described it - a joke.

mike65 · 31-12-2011 11:51AM

At least they are being recognised by their state, what would Dublin confer upon them if they were from the South? Grazing right for their goats on St Stephens Green?

Atlantic Dawn · 31-12-2011 11:52AM

Personally I think the whole thing is both funny and ridiculous. Darren and Rory are classed as 'Irish' but I've yet to see one of them wrap themselves in a Tricolour.

And as for those "honours" - a throwback to British imperialism at its worst. The british "empire" died a long time ago. Thankfully.

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Chuck Stone · 31-12-2011 11:54AM

Freddie59 wrote: »

Darren and Rory are classed as 'Irish' but I've yet to see one of them wrap themselves in a Tricolour.

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NinjaK · 31-12-2011 11:54AM

fryup wrote: »

gerry adams is getting one

Is that an attempt at a joke??!

Kevin Duffy · 31-12-2011 11:57AM

NinjaK wrote: »

Do you think RTE deliberately left out Empire because its controversial or was it a genuine mistake?

Did you not actually read the story? They mention the word Empire in the line about Darren Clarke, so bang goes that theory.

As to the Irish v UK claims on the two lads - I'm sure they must be sick of the struggle to claim them as one nationality or another. Best of luck to them playing as pround Northern Irishmen or whatever they want to call themselves.

NinjaK · 31-12-2011 11:57AM

mike65 wrote: »

At least they are being recognised by their state, what would Dublin confer upon them if they were from the South? Grazing right for their goats on St Stephens Green?

We dont award people like that so what are you on about??

Sunnyisland · 31-12-2011 11:59AM

mike65 wrote: »

At least they are being recognised by their state, what would Dublin confer upon them if they were from the South? Grazing right for their goats on St Stephens Green?

They might have gotten this

The award of Freedom of the City of Dublin acknowledges the contribution of certain people to the life of our city. It also bestows honour to important visitors to Dublin.A few recent honored people, I would say mikhail gorbachev is delighted:)

Paul McGuinness, 1 November 1999, 18 March 2000
The Edge, 1 November 1999, 18 March 2000
Larry Mullen Junior, 1 November 1999, 18 March 2000
Adam Clayton, 1 November 1999, 18 March 2000
Bono, 1 November 1999, 18 March 2000
Mikhail Gorbachev, 3 December 2001, 9 January 2002
Kevin Heffernan, 1 March 2004, 17 May 2004
Ronnie Delany, 5 September 2005,5 March 2006
Bob Geldof, 5 September 2005,5 March 2006
Thomas Kinsella, 5 February 2007, 24 May 2007
Louis Le Brocquy, 5 February 2007, 24 May 2007

mike65 · 31-12-2011 12:01PM

I would say Mikhail Gorbachev is wondering what he did for Dublerlin!

ejmaztec · 31-12-2011 12:06PM

The reality probably is that RTE didn't know what to call the award, and fudged it.

"Member of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_British_Empire

El Weirdo · 31-12-2011 12:12PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

"Member of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire"

Duuuuuuuude! Party on!

juan.kerr · 31-12-2011 12:28PM

NinjaK wrote: »

Is that an attempt at a joke??!

Well if he can come down here and get elected not knowing what the VAT rate is them maybe it's not that far fetched...

Pherekydes · 31-12-2011 01:29PM

Why was he honoured for his service to sport?

What sport is he involved with?

Well done on getting recognised by his monarch, though.

Dotrel · 31-12-2011 01:34PM

Pherekydes wrote: »

Why was he honoured for his service to sport?

What sport is he involved with?

Well done on getting recognised by his monarch, though.

Agreed. It must be any young lads dream get such recognition from his head of state.

juan.kerr · 31-12-2011 01:35PM

Dotrel wrote: »

Agreed. It must be any young lads dream get such recognition from his head of state.

Will he get the opportunity to meet her?

Pherekydes · 31-12-2011 02:08PM

juan.kerr wrote: »

Will he get the opportunity to meet her?

Yes, I think they get their honours directly from the queen.

Badgermonkey · 31-12-2011 02:54PM

mike65 wrote: »

I would say Mikhail Gorbachev is wondering what he did for Dublerlin!

They were probably grateful he disembarked the plane

LordSutch · 31-12-2011 03:42PM

NinjaK wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1231/honours.html

Just read this news story on the RTE website. Found this line a bit funny and strange -

I like they way they call the MBE 'Member of the Order British'. When its called Member of the British Empire.

Agreed, RTE have also cocked it up on their Teletext/Aertel page which also says "Member of the Order British"

and then (MBE) in brackets. Personally I think an MBE or an OBE is a great honour to have bestowed upon you, and well done to Darren, Rory and all the others . . .

I wonder can I improve on my Lordship?

Victor · 31-12-2011 03:50PM

"Member of the Order British" seems to be a genuine term in use. http://www.google.ie/search?q=%22Member+of+the+Order+British%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

30Min · 31-12-2011 03:52PM

NinjaK wrote: »

I know since the Queens visit we are all supposed to love everything British and 800 years means nothing anymore but I dont think honoring that Empire is a good thing for an Irish man to do.

It's up to each individual Irishman to decide for himself in the end and I'm delighted for them

later12 · 31-12-2011 03:55PM

Realistically speaking, the British empire slouched to its slow halt as the Union flag came down in Hong Kong in 1997. There effectively is no more empire, apart from a few islands like the Falklands.

There's nothing wrong with awards like the MBE or the OBE, they merely exist to thank and honour human beings for their extraordinary efforts in their community or in service to the general public. Entirely commendable awards.

LordSutch · 31-12-2011 03:58PM

Victor wrote: »

"Member of the Order British" seems to be a genuine term in use. http://www.google.ie/search?q=%22Member+of+the+Order+British%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

Indeed you may be right my good fellow, and amazingly, even I wasn't aware of that!

gigino · 31-12-2011 04:03PM

(I would say Mikhail Gorbachev is wondering what he did for Dublerlin! )

Badgermonkey wrote: »

They were probably grateful he disembarked the plane

lol thats right. Remember the time a few decades ago when our "teeshock" went to meet the Russian President at Shannon, and waited outside his plane while it refuelled ( on the way to Cuba or wherever ), and the Russian President snubbed him + did not get off the plane / meet him.

woodoo · 31-12-2011 04:06PM

Rory will be over the moon about the MBE. He sees himself as a Northern Irish British man. He is a catholic.

He grew up in a fairly unionist area and prob doesn't want he agro if he identified himself as more of an Irishman.

Darren Clarke and Graham McDowell were both raised protestant and have identified themselves as irishmen quite a few times.

gigino · 31-12-2011 04:07PM

marketty wrote: »

She is the queen of his country though

+ 1. And from the RTE website

"Mr McIlroy said he was "delighted" to be named in the New Year Honours List for his service to sport."

Well done to him.

RTE and the MBE

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