Why are most hotel workers not Irish ?

RainbowRose81 · 30-12-2011 09:13PM

All people on the unemployed/long term unemployed people/those with no qualifications should be given these jobs in resturants and hotels because it will do these jobs justice because they will learn alot from them instead of most of them money working in the hotels and resturants here are just primarily working for money, they have plenty of work experience. A job is more than money it can give people back the dignity and give them a chance to improve themselves and their life by getting out of the welfare trap.

tina turner · 30-12-2011 09:14PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

Yes, I am serious. It actually happened.
You have been in Ireland 10 years and you call it Eire?
Eire is not in the English language.
We call our country the Republic of Ireland, or simply; Ireland.
I suppose you call the UK the mainland?

Thank you sir,feeling much more educated now

Have a nice evening.

Takeabath · 30-12-2011 09:15PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

tina turner wrote: »

Are you serious?? been working here for over 10 years (5 hotels, few bars, other places), NEVER did I pay a single penny for getting a job, every single of my employers was very fair and respectful of my rights (of which I-as a foreigner- am aware of) and I always got payed for every single week worked in the place, INCLUDING the first week. Gotta love Eire as I am honestly not sure of "norm" in my own country.

Don't believe everything you hear hun.

Rant over.

Yes, I am serious. It actually happened.
You have been in Ireland 10 years and you call it Eire?
Eire is not in the English language.
We call our country the Republic of Ireland, or simply; Ireland.
I suppose you call the UK the mainland?

LOL there is no country called the republic of Ireland that is the name of our soccer team. Maybe read up yourself before trying to lecture someone and showing yourself up

gigino · 30-12-2011 09:15PM

woodoo wrote: »

I think you are a man of leisure at the states expense

:rolleyes: Why then do I think government payments to the unemployed are generally too high ?:D

gigino · 30-12-2011 09:17PM

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

All people on the unemployed/long term unemployed people/those with no qualifications should be given these jobs in resturants and hotels

most would not stick the pace for 2 days.

Johnny Foreigner · 30-12-2011 09:21PM

Takeabath wrote: »

LOL there is no country called the republic of Ireland that is the name of our soccer team. Maybe read up yourself before trying to lecture someone and showing yourself up

Our country is the Republic of Ireland or simply; Ireland.
The same as the Republic of Slovakia or simply; Slovakia, is a country.
Poblacht na hÉireann (Republic of Ireland).
Educate yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland

Johnny Foreigner · 30-12-2011 09:22PM

gigino wrote: »

:rolleyes: Why then do I think government payments to the unemployed are generally too high ?:D

Catholic guilt.

Carter P Fly · 30-12-2011 09:25PM

Eire, ROI, Ireland, Who gives a fcuk what someone calls it.

SWL · 30-12-2011 09:25PM

Takeabath wrote: »

I asked my uncle who runs a group of hotels why nearly all his staff were eastern European. His answer? They work harder and have a better attitude! He also said that it would take one polish lad half the time to do something that 3 Irish lads what do for triple the cost. He now gets eastern Europeans to do anything from works on his kitchen to services on his car. My brother on his advise had an extension built on his house by some polish builders it was thousands of euros cheaper and done weeks earlier than the Irish builder quote. Can't beat value for money and hotels agree

What is the name of the Hotel Group? Are all the customers EE, if not does your uncle inform the Irish people who he relies on for a living that he believes Irish people are lazy etc? Probably not.

Btw on the house extension – was it built to Irish building standards, did the Polish builder pay tax, pay pension contribution to the CIF, pay for staff mandatory training such as safe pass and other licenses, pay his staff the agreed union rates.
no he did not, meanwhile the expensive Irish builder had to pay all of the above and more to operate as a legal and legit company in Ireland, very easy be cheaper when you are operating an illegal company and not paying your way.

benmad · 30-12-2011 09:27PM

efla wrote: »

We did compete, by producing an educated workforce capable of capitalising on our mid-90's growth. The result was a serious shortfall in service sector labour which in some cases (natural uptake through net immigration aside) required active recruitment.

what!!

Takeabath · 30-12-2011 09:29PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

Takeabath wrote: »

LOL there is no country called the republic of Ireland that is the name of our soccer team. Maybe read up yourself before trying to lecture someone and showing yourself up

Our country is the Republic of Ireland or simply; Ireland.
The same as the Republic of Slovakia or simply; Slovakia, is a country.
Poblacht na hÉireann (Republic of Ireland).
Educate yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland

LOL it gets better. Read the opening line of your wiki link. The country is called Ireland and described as rep of Ireland but that is not actually the name of the country. No country exists called the republic of Ireland

SWL · 30-12-2011 09:30PM

Carter P Fly wrote: »

Eire, ROI, Ireland, Who gives a fcuk what someone calls it.

Good to see you take pride in your Country. I like people to refer to my Country with its correct title. After 10 years in Ireland I still really don't understand some Iirsh people

gigino · 30-12-2011 09:30PM

SWL wrote: »

What is the name of the Hotel Group?

I think all hotel groups find that foreign workers are generally better, more efficient workers now.

tina turner · 30-12-2011 09:31PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

Our country is the Republic of Ireland or simply; Ireland.
The same as the Republic of Slovakia or simply; Slovakia, is a country.
Poblacht na hÉireann (Republic of Ireland).
Educate yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/293754/Ireland

http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/attached_files/html%20files/Constitution%20of%20Ireland%20(Eng)Nov2004.htm :

"Article 4

The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland."

For the record I understand this is not the thread about what Éire means.

benmad · 30-12-2011 09:31PM

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

All people on the unemployed/long term unemployed people/those with no qualifications should be given these jobs in resturants and hotels because it will do these jobs justice because they will learn alot from them instead of most of them money working in the hotels and resturants here are just primarily working for money, they have plenty of work experience. A job is more than money it can give people back the dignity and give them a chance to improve themselves and their life by getting out of the welfare trap.

as long as you pay your tax and social welfare, you are welcome:D

Takeabath · 30-12-2011 09:34PM

SWL wrote: »

Takeabath wrote: »

I asked my uncle who runs a group of hotels why nearly all his staff were eastern European. His answer? They work harder and have a better attitude! He also said that it would take one polish lad half the time to do something that 3 Irish lads what do for triple the cost. He now gets eastern Europeans to do anything from works on his kitchen to services on his car. My brother on his advise had an extension built on his house by some polish builders it was thousands of euros cheaper and done weeks earlier than the Irish builder quote. Can't beat value for money and hotels agree

What is the name of the Hotel Group? Are all the customers EE, if not does your uncle inform the Irish people who he relies on for a living that he believes Irish people are lazy etc? Probably not.

Btw on the house extension – was it built to Irish building standards, did the Polish builder pay tax, pay pension contribution to the CIF, pay for staff mandatory training such as safe pass and other licenses, pay his staff the agreed union rates.
no he did not, meanwhile the expensive Irish builder had to pay all of the above and more to operate as a legal and legit company in Ireland, very easy be cheaper when you are operating an illegal company and not paying your way.

The extension surpassed Irish building standards and yes the builders were legit as the government had employed them on certain community projects. Why do you assume because they were cheaper they were breaking the law? This isn't called rip off nation for no reason.

SWL · 30-12-2011 09:34PM

gigino wrote: »

I think all hotel groups find that foreign workers are generally better, more efficient workers now.

Name them and point out where they have openly stated this. where did hear the above statement.

SWL · 30-12-2011 09:37PM

Takeabath wrote: »

The extension surpassed Irish building standards and yes the builders were legit as the government had employed them on certain community projects. Why do you assume because they were cheaper they were breaking the law? This isn't called rip off nation for no reason.

PM me the name of the company, I will stick them on my list. How do you know the building surpassed Irish Standards?

Cheaper usually means poorer quality. Unless the extension was carried out prior to 2006.

gigino · 30-12-2011 09:41PM

SWL wrote: »

Name them and point out where they have openly stated this.

Ther proof of the pudding is in the eating. They put their money where their mouth is. Go to any large hotel, wander around the different departments, and if you find the people who make up your room listen to their accent;)

gigino · 30-12-2011 09:44PM

SWL wrote: »

Cheaper usually means poorer quality.

not necessarily. I know of a job which was tendered for by a number of ( Irish ) builders once. There was a huge difference between the dearest + the cheapest price, even though the job had to be done to the same specifications etc.

Carter P Fly · 30-12-2011 09:46PM

SWL wrote: »

Good to see you take pride in your Country. I like people to refer to my Country with its correct title. After 10 years in Ireland I still really don't understand some Iirsh people

Nothing to do with pride, Éire, ROI and Ireland are all correct and interchangable so its not worth getting worked up over which one you consider to be more or less correct.

Yahew · 30-12-2011 09:46PM

gigino wrote: »

Ther proof of the pudding is in the eating. They put their money where their mouth is. Go to any large hotel, wander around the different departments, and if you find the people who make up your room listen to their accent;)

This just proves that employers like to employ the cheap and the bullyable.

Yahew · 30-12-2011 09:48PM

Carter P Fly wrote: »

Eire, ROI, Ireland, Who gives a fcuk what someone calls it.

I call France Frankletonland.

Fact.

christina_x · 30-12-2011 09:48PM

I work in a hotel to help me through college and I am irish

gigino · 30-12-2011 09:52PM

Yahew wrote: »

This just proves that employers like to employ the cheap and the bullyable.

The HR manager I know says the foreigners are more reliable, quicker and do better work. I making up the rooms in that large hotel they have tried numerous Irish but none sticked the pace. They are only supposed to take so many minutes per room. The Irish tended to sometimes take shortcuts / make mistakes. So now they just employ foreigners in that department, and everyone is happy. There are a few Irish in some other areas of the hotel though.

FloatingVoter · 30-12-2011 09:53PM

If I want to meet Irish people moaning, I'll come here. If I want decent adult conversation with a grown-up, I'll speak to the Polish girl who pulls the best Guinness in Dublin.

Any "pull" jokes marks you as the joke.

johnr1 · 30-12-2011 09:54PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

Interesting reading, and I would say typical of the Celtic Tiger boom years.
Were you ever offered money in exchange for employment when hiring?

No, and I never even heard of it before this thread. I'd believe it could happen that immigrants would sell the job on alright, but that could only happen in an envoirnment where there is no skill level involved, and where one guy is as good as any other, I'm trying to think of an example - seasonal harvesting of fruit or farmed fish maybe.

gigino · 30-12-2011 09:55PM

Yahew wrote: »

This just proves that employers like to employ the cheap

thats the way of the world. If they paid double the going rate, their competitors would put them out of business in no time.

tina turner · 30-12-2011 10:00PM

gigino wrote: »

My brother stayed in a few large hotels in Ireland recently and said even the receptionist, leisure centre staff, waiting staff etc were foreign. Excellent staff, but mostly eastern European. I know the HR person in another large Irish hotel ( well known brand name ) and she said they do not have any Irish people on housekeeping duties / making up rooms. She said they never found any Irish people who could stick the pace.

We Irish seem to work hard when we go abroad. The minimum wage is higher here than in most countries around the world. We have a lot of unemployment here ( half a million ? ) and a lot of emigration. Is it not puzzling we cannot compete here / be as good as foreign workers ?

From my experience and from what I heard of my past managers/bosses, the hospitality industry have always suffered major turnover of the staff. Maybe it's not as much employer's fault that most of his employees are foreign. If I get a hold of job that gifts me with regular hours, by this with regular income, then I personally am afraid to let go of it.

Maybe,just hypothetically, Irish are just more ambitious, and skilled, so they just would move on if the job doesn't reward them - financially or mentally.

I have in my life worked with some fabulous Irish hard workers, team workers, smiling.

I've also met some "pain in the bottom" foreigners, those who comment on customers in their own language, have no respect for co-workers,etc. Terrible.

If you would apply for job, and got to the interview stage, you would most likely get the job. However, whether you decide to keep it or not, most of the time depends solely on you, No?

Apologies if the English is not perfect

x

gigino · 30-12-2011 10:08PM

tina turner wrote: »

Maybe,just hypothetically, Irish are just more ambitious, and skilled, so they just would move on if the job doesn't reward them - financially or mentally.

And the 500,000 or so unemployed Irish ? Do you think they are too "ambitious, and skilled, so they just would move on if the job doesn't reward them - financially or mentally" ??

Why are most hotel workers not Irish ?

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