Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

VW 1 wrote: »

manual_man wrote: »

Bent has missed a number of games through injury (and shopping)

Also you have to remember Villa lost their two best suppliers of goals to him. He's a class act. And we have the perfect creative players to make the most of his goalscoring abilities. 28 isnt that old. He could well go on to have 4 more years at his peak. Apart from RVP Bent is the best out and out striker in the league. We're crying out for a player like him. On the other hand some of you may want to plump for some foreign lad, who has no experience in the EPL, but has "bagloads of talent", and then inevitably ends up warming the bench like so many others have in the past. To hell with that. A proven goalscorer in the EPL like Bent would be a brilliant purchase. Let's hope the rumours are not.. ahem.. "scurillous"

How many times have we heard this rolled out, but seen it fail to work out? For example, N'Zogbia's move to Villa. Downing to Liverpool. In some parts, Young to United although I'm hoping he will get it together after showing flashes early on.

Mata, no PL experience. Silva, no PL experience. Aguero, no PL experience.

We can take any number of examples and show that they work/dont work for English or PL proven talent compared to foreign chap with ability.

At the end of the day you have to ask yourself, is Bent what is needed to get to the next level? The answer is no.

A decent stop gap he may be, but he is not what will propel Liverpool to the top 4 and he is definitely not what will be the reason for Liverpool challenging for the title in 2-3 seasons.

More ambition must be shown than singing Darrent Bent.

The owners have already shown they are in this for the long haul in terms of the money invested, and their track record proves they know how to win and that they know how to build.

A stop gap isn't what is needed in the long term, the long term needs a young player with ability to grow and develop, Andy Carroll.

The team is in transition there are lots of new players, 6 months is a short time after which to be getting impatient, especially considering the fact that you are 3 points off the top 4.

Stop gaps wont do.

I have to totally disagree with you. Nzogbia had one very good season at Wigan. Just ONE. He was never proven class. Of course Aguero and Silva are exceptions, but they were proven class before they moved, and do you honestly think we can tempt that kind of player to the club given the position we're in? I think not. What i DON'T want is another poxy 10m plus spent on a promising foreigner (un-proven at the highest level, let alone in the EPL). Liverpool has too often taken gambles in previous years by just wanting to spend a few £m less on players that had yet to really prove themselves. Of course there were exceptions. We all know that. But given the number of transfers in/out of Anfield in say the last 10 years, i think we can all agree that these have been pretty few and far between. I think given where we are Bent would be a great acquisition, we can worry about the Agueros later. And i think to call a player that has a good 4 years in him a 'stop-gap' is a bit non-sensical. 4 years is a long time in football. Cantona moved to "them" when he was 26 1/2, look what he did for them in just four and a half years. I'm all for recruiting talented young players, which we've already done (Suarez, Carroll, Henderson), but there's a lot to be said for getting in a solid pro or two as well. A blend of youth and experience. And Bent would add perfectly to that mix imo

Yakubu.

whatawaster wrote: »

manual_man wrote: »

I have to totally disagree with you. Nzogbia had one very good season at Wigan. Just ONE. He was never proven class. Of course Aguero and Silva are exceptions, but they were proven class before they moved, and do you honestly think we can tempt that kind of player to the club given the position we're in? I think not. What i DON'T want is another poxy 10m plus spent on a promising foreigner (un-proven at the highest level, let alone in the EPL). Liverpool has too often taken gambles in previous years by just wanting to spend a few £m less on players that had yet to really prove themselves. Of course there were exceptions. We all know that. But given the number of transfers in/out of Anfield in say the last 10 years, i think we can all agree that these have been pretty few and far between. I think given where we are Bent would be a great acquisition, we can worry about the Agueros later. And i think to call a player that has a good 4 years in him a 'stop-gap' is a bit non-sensical. 4 years is a long time in football. Cantona moved to "them" when he was 26 1/2, look what he did for them in just four and a half years. I'm all for recruiting talented young players, which we've already done (Suarez, Carroll, Henderson), but there's a lot to be said for getting in a solid pro or two as well. A blend of youth and experience. And Bent would add perfectly to that mix imo

Gerrard, Kuyt, Maxi Rodriguez, Bellamy, Downing. That's enough solid pros

Out of those i'd only have Gerrard and Downing in my starting eleven. I love Kuyt. But he's past it. We need to sell him for 5m, thank him, and move on. Bellamy has never, and will never, prove to be a consistent player. There's a reason he's one of the most transferred players in PL history. Daft buy imo. Maxi Rodriguez is a utility player for me, a useful player no doubt, but not one you want to consider as part of a starting eleven week in week out. He's kind of like our Ji-Sung-Park. You want players in your squad (both young and more experienced) that are a no-brainer for the team-sheet come matchday. At the moment we don't have that, we're a couple of players short. Bent would be a huge step in the right direction imo, followed possibly by a classy out and out right winger that can get by players as well as actually cross the ball

whatawaster wrote: »

And then sell for very little after those four years. He is not worth it.

We will have to look at replacing a raft of attacking players in the next few years - Kuyt, Maxi, Bellamy, and of course, Gerrard. We don't need more older players in those positions, we need to freshen things up.

Rumours of Higuain and Ozil have been very very cruel. But those are the kind of players we need. Obviously those two are out of our league, but we need to sign the players at smaller clubs who will go on to be top class.

Those two would cost the bones of £70 million. Any chance of some realisim when it comes to transfer targets.

Sure Tevez is on the way out of City maybe we shuold buy him instead

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

stoned?

I thought we were just throwing out names for the crack.

whatawaster wrote: »

Any chance you could read my post fully?

Of course they are not realistic targets. We need to buy those kind of players 2/3 years earlier.

Those players 2/3 years earlier are not overly realistic given the competition that would be there to sign them

Liverpool have also made tentative enquires for Oliver Giroud of Montpellier it seems

slingerz wrote: »

Those players 2/3 years earlier are not overly realistic given the competition that would be there to sign them

Liverpool have also made tentative enquires for Oliver Giroud of Montpellier it seems

So we can sign Suarez - one of the best forwards in Europe, who 6 months earlier had been fantastic on the worlds stage and had scored over 40 goals the season before - but you don't think it realistic to try and sign the best young players in Europe before they become stars?

Yes there would be competition. But look where Spurs were when they signed Modric. He is the profile of player I would be looking at.

manual_man wrote: »

Several? How many exactly? He's scored 2 goals and 2 assists in the league all season, playing a total of 434 mins (compared to say, 1620 mins for Jose Enrique). How can you expect any kind of consistency from a team that gives players 'random' runouts? It's daft. I'd rather we hadn't got Bellamy and wasted money on extra wages and had just stuck Kuyt on the pitch week in week out - it might not have been brilliant, but at least we'd be bearing some fruits from showing some bloody consistency. Bellamy's signing was pure ridiculous imo

that's a mad opinion, I have to say.

manual_man wrote: »

Apart from RVP Bent is the best out and out striker in the league.

What. The. ****.


No, he's not.

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

In that case...


Bent














Marcus Bent that is.

oh thats how they should present him to the press