aliens - what if they did arrive

44leto · 29-12-2011 01:58AM

Chuck was taken wrote: »

Why does everybody think they're going to be nasty and start wiping us all out ?

Probably because we are nasty and we generally don't treat anything different well.

Besides nasty aliens make better movies.

Doc Ruby · 29-12-2011 02:02AM

44leto wrote: »

You are talking higher multicellular complex life I am talking about life any type, its nearly as old as the planet. And the Earth was never sterilised of life even during the time it was completely covered in ice (Snowball Earth), life still clung on.

Its not nearly as old as the planet, since most of the planet was magma for a long time. Also I said almost wiped out.

44leto · 29-12-2011 02:05AM

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Its not nearly as old as the planet, since most of the planet was magma for a long time. Also I said almost wiped out.

Even then when it was magna and being bombarded it still harboured life. And you said life was "wiped out" and I said life was never completely wiped out using different terms.

Doc Ruby · 29-12-2011 02:19AM

Doc Ruby wrote: »

life has almost been entirely wiped out completely numerous times.

44leto wrote: »

Even then when it was magna and being bombarded it still harboured life. And you said life was "wiped out" and I said life was never completely wiped out using different terms.

Anyway, theres no reason that aliens aren't out there and indeed steaming on their way in this direction as we speak.

saa · 29-12-2011 02:23AM

If a living creature came from another planet we would probably all die out from some space super bug. Sorry to break yer **** fantasies but the likely hood of an alien being in any way like a human is unlikely my guess is more like a well developed slug.

TheUsual · 29-12-2011 02:40AM

You liberal hippies just wait until they anal-probe ya ... don't say you weren't warned.

the_syco · 29-12-2011 02:50AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

If aliens turn up, obviously they have far superior technology to us, and therefore it is not a question of us accepting them, but of us bowing down to our new overlords.

Attack us, and we'll develop bombs to experiment on you. See Japan for example.

kumate_champ07 · 29-12-2011 02:52AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

We might cop the f**k on and start acting with humanity.

Although it appears from films that (a) they'd be peaceful and land in Anerica where some hillbilly would shoot them or (b) they'd have to be aggressive in order to make the world cop on to collectively repel them to protect our "wonderful" :rolleyes: way of life and standards.

we are, thats the problem, humans are genetically flawed

kumate_champ07 · 29-12-2011 02:58AM

what if aliens came from a world where time was completely different, 1 year in their lives/reality was equal to 10,000years in our lives but their planet was much older than us and they had far more advanced technology, how could we even communicate with them?

or they could be from a planet that is 1,000,000 times the size of our planet and constructed from a matter we have yet to discover so basically invisible

Doc Ruby · 29-12-2011 03:22AM

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

or they could be from a planet that is 1,000,000 times the size of our planet and constructed from a matter we have yet to discover so basically invisible

I guess that would rule out semaphore anyway.

Wereghost · 29-12-2011 03:45AM

If they turn up then that's all, folks. Even an ostensibly benevolent contact would have a fatally deleterious effect on our culture as a separate entity, as a sense of nihilism would ensue based on the fact that they've surpassed anything of which we can conceive practically. In other words, it's all been done by someone else so why bother?
At best we'd be subsumed into their culture.
Okay, possibly overstating it; but we can reasonably expect that a culture capable of crossing trillions of miles would not be here to ask for directions.

theTinker · 29-12-2011 03:51AM

I always put this down to one basic requirement. Space/land/living conditions.

Space ships are just too small and useless to sustain mass life. Species need planets.

As earth and other such planets are a fine place for things to live. They'll either require our planet and wipe us out using a very advance virus that would quickly kill us off but leave our planet all good for themselves, Or they wont have need of more land due to advance terraforming capilities and already provided what they need. They may also not need our land as they probably live sterile lives for the most part. Medical advances would garuntee population growth by choice/need. Its not like they are going to get knocked up accidentily anymore like.
They will live much longer lives than humans do due to thier vast medical knowledge. Probably advance regenerative techiques coupled with organ replacements when needed.
If you are going to live a long long time, there is very little need to have children except when you are ready/want them, or if your race has a requirement for more populace.

If they are a race that multiplies quickly, or to thier resources supporting limits. and have run out of planets possible of terraforming in thier own solar system, then its very likely that they'll simply take our planet.... I doubt this will happen though, as it would require an incredibly vast organisiational structure to stop a race this growth aggressive from destroying itself with its super technology.

Unless its the first time they've also encountered a alien race, then we are probably much more interesting and guarded. If life is common...we're fecked...like in a zoo.

Energy demands will be well solved for them. Either fusion, thorium reactors, or something equally incredible. But I doubt they're using E=MC2 to create land!

k.p.h · 29-12-2011 03:52AM

BBC 4 gotta documentary on right now on this very subject .. ..:cool:

theTinker · 29-12-2011 03:58AM

ScumLord wrote: »

That's not even remotely true. Comparing humans that live in colonies of millions there is very little violence when you compare them to just about every other animal on the planet. If what your saying was true we wouldn't have the modern world that we have around us. It takes huge feats of cooperation to achieve what we have, the notion that in general humans are violent and unpredictable is just nonsense that people love to tell each other while rarely ever experiencing it. Humans are also very, very predictable.

Good points. I never thought of humans in those terms..
However, we do slaughter far more animals than most other animals no?

We may not kill our own kind so much, but herbivores dont kill any no? And aliens wouldnt be our kind, wouldnt it be simply a case that we would kill them but only if we're more advance than them?(or use them as slaves?)

On the flip side of the coin, if humans reach space exploration properly, what do you think would happen if we encounter a race more technologically primitive than ourselves but equally highly evolved etc?

Curly Judge · 29-12-2011 11:12AM

I just hope they phone ahead and let us know they are coming and not turn up unannounced, like my aunt Josie on Stephens day.

Capt'n Midnight · 29-12-2011 11:27AM

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

what if aliens came from a world where time was completely different, 1 year in their lives/reality was equal to 10,000years in our lives but their planet was much older than us and they had far more advanced technology, how could we even communicate with them?

Electronically fast forward, slow playback, pause etc.

or they could be from a planet that is 1,000,000 times the size of our planet and constructed from a matter we have yet to discover so basically invisible

we have a name for such planets, they are called stars.

something three times the mass of the sun though may be too big to form a neutron star, if it forms a black hole then it doesn't matter since they won't be able to come visit any time soon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolman%E2%80%93Oppenheimer%E2%80%93Volkoff_limit

bnt · 29-12-2011 11:30AM

I saw Monsters vs. Aliens the other day, which has somewhat coloured my views on this topic. Here's the alien overlord's message to the human race:

Humans of Earth, I come in peace. You need not fear me, I mean you no harm. However, it is important to note that most of you will not survive the next 24 hours. The few of you that do survive will be enslaved and experimented upon. You should, in no way, take any of this personally. It's just business. So to recap, I come in peace, I mean you no harm, and you all will die. Gallaxhar out.

ScumLord · 29-12-2011 11:52AM

theTinker wrote: »

However, we do slaughter far more animals than most other animals no?

Possibly but we also get much more use out of the animals we kill, we eat a lot then make use of the rest in other ways.

We may not kill our own kind so much, but herbivores dont kill any no?

Herbivores do kill, it's not just that they kill their predators during a struggle for life and death either, African Buffalo will attack and kill Lion cubs, or any predator of there's if they can. Elephants go on drunken rampages through villages killing the locals. All animals on earth are territorial against every other animal on the planet and will attack and kill any competition if they can.

And aliens wouldnt be our kind, wouldnt it be simply a case that we would kill them but only if we're more advance than them?(or use them as slaves?)

We don't kill animals just for the sake of it, we aren't going into newly discovered areas killing new species we find (any more, like we did in Africa).

On the flip side of the coin, if humans reach space exploration properly, what do you think would happen if we encounter a race more technologically primitive than ourselves but equally highly evolved etc?

We'll more than likely keep our distance and study them.

Capt'n Midnight · 30-12-2011 12:09PM

ScumLord wrote: »

We don't kill animals just for the sake of it, we aren't going into newly discovered areas killing new species we find (any more, like we did in Africa).

You don't under the concepts of bushmeat or habitat destruction ?, especially when a new road is built through virgin forest.

ScumLord · 30-12-2011 12:43PM

Scrawny71 wrote: »

In other words, it's all been done by someone else so why bother?

I think it would just bring out our competitive side and spur us on. It's not like China just accepted their faith or any other human civilisation throughout history. Having a common enemy (even if we're friendly with them) could bring people together, it's been relatively small groups of people that have advanced the human race so far we've never had the entire species acting as one. It could speed our advancements up immeasurably.

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

You don't under the concepts of bushmeat or habitat destruction ?, especially when a new road is built through virgin forest.

But that's not killing things just for the sake of killing them, roads advance civilisation, it barely registers with the designers that animals are dying for that road so it's not really a cruel act.

RichieC · 30-12-2011 01:07PM

People of earth. We have passed all the ice and rare metals in your keiper belt to come steal your resourses.....

antodeco · 30-12-2011 01:41PM

I wonder would alien technologies have Internet? Or would they laugh at the fact we use an electronic medium to access information

alexlyons · 30-12-2011 01:49PM

well if they started attacking us, one could almost guarantee that the violence on earth would pretty much disappear while we all fight them together..

Firefox11 · 30-12-2011 01:49PM

This pritty much sums it up for me if they did come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ0PVkGj4bg

RichieC · 30-12-2011 02:00PM

alexlyons wrote: »

well if they started attacking us, one could almost guarantee that the violence on earth would pretty much disappear while we all fight them together..

Theres not a hope an interstellar civilisation would risk coming all this way for an air and ground war..they'd either bomb or virus us from orbit or if they need us as slaves find sellout humans to do their work.

Hobbes · 30-12-2011 02:20PM

Just memorize this.

http://i.imgur.com/SaV26.png

44leto · 30-12-2011 03:01PM

Firefox11 wrote: »

This pritty much sums it up for me if they did come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ0PVkGj4bg

NAH to daft of a concept, although a space rocket would be amazing to someone from ancient times, we are hardly going to **** green and bow before our new gods when they show up in such a craft. We know someday they MAYBE possible.

But why come here to a toxic atmosphere to a planet where all the easy resources are already out of the ground and either oxidised or on their way to been. Why not pick Mars or Venus.

Here's something to think about. With our corrosive explosive atmospheric O2 levels which eventually destroys all metals it touches (apart from a few rare ones).

If the meteor strikes or the Super volcano erupts destroys the culture and knowledge of our present tech. We would never recover to this level of technology. All the easy oil, steel, aluminium ETC is gone, the remaining resources are only in areas we would need current tech to access.

So if we don't get to the stars soon our specie never will.

ScumLord · 30-12-2011 03:24PM

44leto wrote: »

But why come here to a toxic atmosphere to a planet where all the easy resources are already out of the ground and either oxidised or on their way to been. Why not pick Mars or Venus.

Out of all the planets in our solar system earth is the friendliest to live because of the magnetic field more so than anything else. That free protection would be worth something I suppose but the thing is they couldn't get here without one of their own so our planets solar protection probably isn't worth as much to them.

The only thing unique on this planet is humans, we have no real value as anything other than an oddity though. We can't give them anything more than a pride of lions gives a biologist studying nature.

Capt'n Midnight · 31-12-2011 02:21AM

ScumLord wrote: »

But that's not killing things just for the sake of killing them, roads advance civilisation, it barely registers with the designers that animals are dying for that road so it's not really a cruel act.

How will that be explained to the lower life forms ?

Especially if there is a hyperspace bypass involved.

Capt'n Midnight · 31-12-2011 02:21AM

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aliens - what if they did arrive

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