Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

Bizzum · 14-12-2011 12:01am

They may get in a chap that's, lets say, 'vertically challenged' to lead out the bulls.
It would surely make them look bigger!:D

Bizzum · 14-12-2011 12:46am

BelgianBlue13 wrote: »

Haha Sorry, a COW!
She is a charolais,She had a good first calf.
Id settle for charolais,belgian blue or limousin.

What did you put on her as a maiden and how did she manage?

Bodacious · 14-12-2011 2:06am

Pat the lad wrote: »

is it me or was the Angus particularly big bull too! And wasn't the other unusually marked blue very tall growthy lookin blue

Ringfort Cormac is the unusually marked bb bull. nice animal. thought bb HDX looked goog too.
I didn't recognise bruce since he got the hair shaved!!!!!!!!!!
great idea, hope more ai companies follow suit- good to get a look at a bull in motion etc. can be hard to judge by posed pictures in catalogues etc!![/QUOTE]

Hi Pat,

Think you and i discussed Bruce last year,, did you use him in the end? I must chat my ai man in arranging a few straws into his tank

mallethead · 14-12-2011 5:07pm

FL25
Anyone use him and how did they get on with him?

mallethead · 14-12-2011 5:07pm

Also has anyone used Panda?

pakalasa · 14-12-2011 5:10pm

Might as well add HCA to that list too...:D
I used him on a hefier there recently.
I was told FL22 is now gone.:mad:

bogman_bass · 14-12-2011 6:00pm

FL25 is as close a bull to ROX as you'll get. Fantastic muscle.

No HCA calves on the ground yet and I have seen no Panda calves yet

flatout11 · 14-12-2011 6:24pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

FL25 is as close a bull to ROX as you'll get. Fantastic muscle.

No HCA calves on the ground yet and I have seen no Panda calves yet

Is fl25 that good he looked like a bit short in the pic and not too extreme

Bizzum · 14-12-2011 7:21pm

pakalasa wrote: »

Might as well add HCA to that list too...:D
I used him on a hefier there recently.
I was told FL22 is now gone.:mad:

What about Ozeus (OZS)? Looks a natural replacement for FL22 if he's gone.

Bodacious · 14-12-2011 9:40pm

mallethead wrote: »

FL25
Anyone use him and how did they get on with him?

Neighbour has a great heifer weanling kept out of him, real muscley calf. he good on the milk front too isnt he... best limousin calves i saw this year out of munster/progressive were FL25 and CVV

mallethead · 14-12-2011 10:44pm

I was going to use Fl25 and Panda
I have a nice simx cow she's about ten and was hoping to breed a replacement heifer from her ,one of the quiet cow always rears a second calf for me , don't want to lose the breeding

Pat the lad · 14-12-2011 10:53pm

[Quote=Bodacious;

Hi Pat,

Think you and i discussed Bruce last year,, did you use him in the end? I must chat my ai man in arranging a few straws into his tank[/Quote]

Hi Bodacious,

indeed we did discuss Bruce. no I didn't use him after- ai lad had none in the pot for the cow I was going to try him out on. used a SIMM (newry) on her instead, (hoping for a heifier calf). I probably chickened out to be honest, reliability figures for calving etc were low at the time.

always liked the look of him though and the video has only added to those first impressions!!!!!! lovely animal!!!!

pakalasa · 15-12-2011 9:35am

I wonder would the Simmental x Blonde be a good cow. Blondes are poor enough for milk and fertility, according to ICBf figures anyway. Cross then to a BB for those shapey weanlings.

leg wax · 15-12-2011 10:14am

pakalasa wrote: »

I wonder would the Simmental x Blonde be a good cow. Blondes are poor enough for milk and fertility, according to ICBf figures anyway. Cross then to a BB for those shapey weanlings.

my very first heifers that i bought were blondes off sim cows,i think there were 8 in the bunch only have 2 left,the rest did not do the job.

BelgianBlue13 · 15-12-2011 6:15pm

Bizzum wrote: »

What did you put on her as a maiden and how did she manage?

I put FL22 in her as a maiden and the calf slipped out,great length.

Bizzum · 15-12-2011 10:41pm

BelgianBlue13 wrote: »

I put FL22 in her as a maiden and the calf slipped out,great length.

Up the ante on her a bit so, but not too much. I would go Lim again.
No great rush, I would not consider a cow mature until she's on her 3rd calf.
Plenty of time to breed a show calf yet!

Bizzum · 15-12-2011 10:42pm

leg wax wrote: »

my very first heifers that i bought were blondes off sim cows,i think there were 8 in the bunch only have 2 left,the rest did not do the job.

Was there any pattern as to the 6 that didn't cut the mustard?

pakalasa · 15-12-2011 11:02pm

Bizzum wrote: »

Up the ante on her a bit so, but not too much. I would go Lim again.
No great rush, I would not consider a cow mature until she's on her 3rd calf.
Plenty of time to breed a show calf yet!

Ya, good advice there. You'll get a better feeling for her then, after the next calving.

leg wax · 16-12-2011 8:36am

Bizzum wrote: »

Was there any pattern as to the 6 that didn't cut the mustard?

no just no muscle,and some did not go back in calf ,they were big animals to have around the place,the black ones are stil here,black blondes oh yea,give it to me baby.:D

Angus4life · 18-12-2011 4:03pm

BelgianBlue13 wrote: »

Hello,
I have an average sized charolais heifer with extreme muscle,shape and width.
She is the best animal we ever had on this farm.
The thing is i want a show calf out of her but it would be a shame to see her not go back in calf if I used a hard calving Bull.
She is a second calver.
She is a show quality animal,but we just didnt bother,we thought we would get showcalf's out of her.
P.S.
Bulls on Progressive Genetics
Thanks

i have a couple of 2nd calvers like this i gave them the angus bullhttp://www.munsterai.ie/siredata.php?id=AYR&type=beef and tha calfs came a sweet golden colour. and 3 of them were heifers and i tink crossed wit the right bull like BBQ then u wud have show calfs.

Angus4life · 18-12-2011 4:05pm

http://www.munsterai.ie/siredata.php?id=AYR&type=beef AYR in munster AI

Bodacious · 18-12-2011 5:11pm

Angus4life wrote: »

i have a couple of 2nd calvers like this i gave them the angus bullhttp://www.munsterai.ie/siredata.php?id=AYR&type=beef and tha calfs came a sweet golden colour. and 3 of them were heifers and i tink crossed wit the right bull like BBQ then u wud have show calfs.

HI Angus,
What colour/breed cows did you use the AA on to get three golden coloured calves?

Bodacious · 18-12-2011 5:25pm

Lads/ladies

I was thinking of using above new bull of Munster on a good strong red lim heifer? I never gave a sim to a maiden before but his Calving difficulty is 0.18% in new munster book.. could this be right?! i forgot to look at %reliability but he was only born in Sep 09 so there should be calves out of him alright.

only reason i looking at sim is because there is a lot of limousin in her and she is a big heifer will be well developed for bulling at 22 months

limo_100 · 18-12-2011 5:49pm

Bodacious wrote: »

Lads/ladies

I was thinking of using above new bull of Munster on a good strong red lim heifer? I never gave a sim to a maiden before but his Calving difficulty is 0.18% in new munster book.. could this be right?! i forgot to look at %reliability but he was only born in Sep 09 so there should be calves out of him alright.

only reason i looking at sim is because there is a lot of limousin in her and she is a big heifer will be well developed for bulling at 22 months

i would i was planning on using him on heifers as well. he looks like a smasher though doesnt he

bogman_bass · 18-12-2011 6:32pm

Bodacious wrote: »

Lads/ladies

I was thinking of using above new bull of Munster on a good strong red lim heifer? I never gave a sim to a maiden before but his Calving difficulty is 0.18% in new munster book.. could this be right?! i forgot to look at %reliability but he was only born in Sep 09 so there should be calves out of him alright.

only reason i looking at sim is because there is a lot of limousin in her and she is a big heifer will be well developed for bulling at 22 months

The only calves off him are a handful on David walls herd. (he imported the embryos from the US) I was talking to him this week and he said they came handy enough from heifers but thats only one farmer.
Those figure will definatly go up from that rediculously low level but hopefully not by too much

pakalasa · 18-12-2011 6:39pm

APZ
Have a look here;
http://www.icbf.ie/taurus/bull_search/index.php?search_type=num&search=apz

Reliability is 0% so no calves on the ground yet.
If I were you I'd use IS4 instead, if you can get your hands on a few straws. He's not exactly easy calving, but at least Rel is at 99%.
http://www.icbf.ie/taurus/bull_search/index.php?search_type=num&search=is4

Bodacious · 18-12-2011 7:13pm

pakalasa wrote: »

APZ
Have a look here;
http://www.icbf.ie/taurus/bull_search/index.php?search_type=num&search=apz

Reliability is 0% so no calves on the ground yet.
If I were you I'd use IS4 instead, if you can get your hands on a few straws. He's not exactly easy calving, but at least Rel is at 99%.
http://www.icbf.ie/taurus/bull_search/index.php?search_type=num&search=is4

Oh i see that now about the reliability.. Ive used IS4 on a cow that broke after being scanned in calf this year, she now not due til June

i figured if i got a heifer i could leave her on there as a late calf. I dont know at 7% would i chance him on a maiden, iĺl not be bulling them until end of March to calve jan 13 so ill see how APZ figures go

flatout11 · 18-12-2011 7:18pm

pakalasa wrote: »

APZ
Have a look here;
http://www.icbf.ie/taurus/bull_search/index.php?search_type=num&search=apz

Reliability is 0% so no calves on the ground yet.
If I were you I'd use IS4 instead, if you can get your hands on a few straws. He's not exactly easy calving, but at least Rel is at 99%.
http://www.icbf.ie/taurus/bull_search/index.php?search_type=num&search=is4

pakalasa, what do you think of IS4 calves any of them calved yet?

pakalasa · 18-12-2011 7:53pm

I've only one heifer from him (IS4). She's a year and half old now, due to FL22 next April. She went in calve first time. She's exceptionally quiet. Not very muscley, but I'm hoping she'll be a very good working cow, go in calf easily, with plenty of milk. Here's a pic from Oct last. She's out of my best cow aswell. A cow that always went in calf on the first straw, for 6 years now.

tanko · 22-12-2011 4:29pm

Anyone used the lim bull Pacha 08? He sounds like a good bull to breed replacements from.

johnpawl · 22-12-2011 11:28pm

What do ye make of this fella? Have a few cows calving to him in march, be interesting to see what he does. I'll stick up a few pics when they do...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlU-k6L1qsk

Bizzum · 22-12-2011 11:48pm

johnpawl wrote: »

What do ye make of this fella? Have a few cows calving to him in march, be interesting to see what he does. I'll stick up a few pics when they do...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlU-k6L1qsk

I'm told you will ask yourself: What in the name of jaysus did I do using that yolk, when you see the calves!

johnpawl · 22-12-2011 11:53pm

Bizzum wrote: »

I'm told you will ask yourself: What in the name of jaysus did I do using that yolk, when you see the calves!

What do you mean? Poor calves off him?

Bizzum · 23-12-2011 12:00am

johnpawl wrote: »

What do you mean? Poor calves off him?

I happened upon his owner (A good Kerryman!) and he told me the calves are small at birth but at a few weeks old you won't know them!
I think BZB is a small bull himself.
He told me too he has BZB heifers calving and they are bagging up nicely!
Did you see his herd on facebook? Lovely stock!

johnpawl · 23-12-2011 12:08am

Bizzum wrote: »

I happened upon his owner (A good Kerryman!) and he told me the calves are small at birth but at a few weeks old you won't know them!
I think BZB is a small bull himself.
He told me too he has BZB heifers calving and they are bagging up nicely!
Did you see his herd on facebook? Lovely stock!

Ya, I know the man you're talking about, sound man. I've seen a few calves off him, v small at birth alright. To be honest thats why I used him, hoping to avoid calving problems. Haven't seen them a few months old though. I have seen a bull calf off sansonnet at 5 months old off a good pedigree PT cow. Wasnt impressed atall, not a great calf, owner of cow not impressed either.

Finno59 · 23-12-2011 12:09am

has anyone BBQ calves from friesian cows? he's supposed to be suitable for dairy cows.

Bizzum · 23-12-2011 12:13am

Finno59 wrote: »

has anyone BBQ calves from friesian cows? he's supposed to be suitable for dairy cows.

On the subject of BBQ, I hear he aint producing the pure drop anymore.
So buy a few straws if you want them, they might not be around much longer.
Or maybe the sap will rise in him again in the spring:D

johnpawl · 23-12-2011 12:19am

Think I might chance STQ, although friend of mine has a few EDJ straws in the tank, would EDJ heifers off AA cross FR cows be keepers I wonder

Bizzum · 23-12-2011 12:23am

johnpawl wrote: »

would EDJ heifers off AA cross FR cows be keepers I wonder

Could be lovely cows. Pick those with the widest ends on them.

Bodacious · 23-12-2011 12:57am

Bizzum wrote: »

johnpawl wrote: »

would EDJ heifers off AA cross FR cows be keepers I wonder

Could be lovely cows. Pick those with the widest ends on them.

just IMO lads but with AA in there especially offspring would be lacking in height, all the edj cows heifers I've seen are small ... I have one out of him but she never grew much... 20 months now... might just Ai her and flog her on point of calving

Bizzum · 23-12-2011 1:14am

Bodacious wrote: »

just IMO lads but with AA in there especially offspring would be lacking in height, all the edj cows heifers I've seen are small ..

You could very well be right. I have seen AA X FR with enough growth though. It's often the case that using a BB will limit size. I suppose though it's easy enough to cure: Again the heifer is old enough to bull, her size can be evaluated!

Bodacious · 23-12-2011 1:24am

Bizzum wrote: »

Bodacious wrote: »

just IMO lads but with AA in there especially offspring would be lacking in height, all the edj cows heifers I've seen are small ..

You could very well be right. I have seen AA X FR with enough growth though. It's often the case that using a BB will limit size. I suppose though it's easy enough to cure: Again the heifer is old enough to bull, her size can be evaluated!

that's true the Fr would have extra height to bring to the table... we all beef ie no dairy so all offspring I've seen out of edj have been vertically challenged ... I'd give her the growthiest easy calving lim I can get just in case I end up keeping her, she a nice blue grey with White udder.. If she were 10" bigger she'd be a dinger!!

porter shark · 30-12-2011 9:38pm

i have calved a bundle of bbxfr heifers since sept, they were bred from edj and jok. in my experience trying to pick the goodlooking cows out of a bundle would be a waste of time, the ugly narrow disgusting type will often throw nuch nicer calf than the good straight square cow.

Dhousehold · 30-12-2011 10:25pm

BelgianBlue13 wrote: »

Hello,
I have an average sized charolais heifer with extreme muscle,shape and width.
She is the best animal we ever had on this farm.
The thing is i want a show calf out of her but it would be a shame to see her not go back in calf if I used a hard calving Bull.
She is a second calver.
She is a show quality animal,but we just didnt bother,we thought we would get showcalf's out of her.
P.S.
Bulls on Progressive Genetics
Thanks

i would use a blonde bull on her he will put height into her and they are not hard calvers i would recommend kilmony bruce (kce) but he is with dovea.if u want a lm i would use ardlea dan (adx)she should put muscle into him and he will put style into him.

johnch · 15-01-2012 8:33pm

anyone got any info or calves from bova BB bulls wacko or barco, was thinking of trying them, any trouble calving etc ?

ELP · 29-04-2012 10:04pm

I used the Delfur T bone bull from Bovea AI on a white head cow this morning hoping to get a nice replacement heifer. Has anybody got any of his calves on the ground? What do you think of them?
The cow has a 2 month heifer calf at foot out of CASTLEVIEW CASINO and it is making great shape and size so I hope it will make a good replacement some day.

Bizzum · 29-04-2012 10:27pm

ELP wrote: »

I used the Delfur T bone bull from Bovea AI on a white head cow this morning hoping to get a nice replacement heifer. Has anybody got any of his calves on the ground? What do you think of them?
The cow has a 2 month heifer calf at foot out of CASTLEVIEW CASINO and it is making great shape and size so I hope it will make a good replacement some day.

Put him on a real good cow last year and have a decent bull calf. I think Kilbride Farm Newry (KFY) is a better all round bull.

BelgianBlue13 · 03-07-2012 11:25am

hows RWS for calving?

Bodacious · 03-07-2012 2:00pm

flatout11 wrote: »

pakalasa wrote: »

BYU

The new bull AZL, was sired by BYU. Photos of calves by him up on the Livestock Photo thread.

not a patch on his sire BYU unfortunately

I'm leaning towards agreeing with this statement ... Have seen nothing to write home about from AZL

limo_100 · 04-07-2012 1:15am

BelgianBlue13 wrote: »

hows RWS for calving?

a neighbour had one from a second calver. had a bull calf unassisted nice quality calf. I have used him this year as well on a second calver

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