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Life on the dole

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  • #122
    teaandtoast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭teaandtoast


    theg81der wrote: »
    I think the whole "accident" thing is a load of absolute rubbish, yes some contraception is 100% (implanon when properly inserted) people don`t want it because the unconsciously want "accidents" its only human nature - I do know lots of friends who would tell people it wasn`t intended etc to cover themselve but I know and they know they are lying.

    I`m pregnant now and on the dole so not what I wanted for my family but needs must I will not pretend that I wasn`t involved in getting myself into this situation and if payments for having kids stops its my problem and my decision why should everyone else be penilised for my decision to have kids? I`m getting older there are no jobs and I`m not going to risk my childs health for my pride these added to my decision. And when chatting to someone who works in the dole and said I was waiting till we got work to have a child - they laughed and said I was foolish and to look at everyone else.

    Congratulations on your pregancy! hope everything goes well for you.

    I would love to have a child but I really want it to have all the oppertunities available to them in life to prosper without struggling so maybe in the future when things get better, will see what happens. That is not to say people who are on low income cannot give alot to their children but every situation is different.


  • #123
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Dudess wrote: »
    The dole is relatively high because the cost of living is high.

    "If you can't afford children, don't have them" is one of the dumbest phrases in existence btw. Seriously displays no thinking whatsoever.
    Normally stated by people who don't have any!!!


  • #124
    DaveDaRave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭DaveDaRave


    Abortions should be mandatory, if you're on the dole.


  • #125
    teaandtoast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭teaandtoast


    DaveDaRave wrote: »
    Abortions should be mandatory, if you're on the dole.

    That is murder and wrong


  • #126
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    DaveDaRave wrote: »
    Abortions should be mandatory, if you're on the dole.
    Adolf the troll!
    Scrub that---Hu Jintao the troll...


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  • #127
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,952 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    teaandtoast wrote: »
    Well I know for many it's temporary but for those that are living long term at their parents, there isn't much progress that can made in your life while living with your parents. People come to realise what real life is once they are living independently, they learn the value of money, how to cook, how to budget etc. There are a good few people who do not know the basic things of living because their mothers do most things for them.

    Out of interest, what progress does living at home prevent?
    I live at home. I can cook (pretty well, to be honest), and I was taught the value of money from a young age. I was given a stable but limited pocket allowance each month and my parents made sure to show me the value of budgeting and planning ahead. These aren't things that are unlearnable while living at home. That depends on the person and what they want to learn, not on the location they are living in.

    I'll admit I've got a pretty overbearing mother who insists on doing alot of the washing, etc, for me, and I'd like independence one day. But right now, I'm unemployed, and its not financially responsible of me to move out. In fact, I hate the social stigma that surrounds this idea of having to move out, cause its something that, as a nation, we're going to have to help pay for when we cannot afford it. We shouldn't be encouraging people to move out of home and, in the process, either having to fork out extra benefits to them or having people put themselves into debt, just to maintain a social norm.

    When I can afford to move out and get my own place, and when I'm not going to cripple myself financially, I will, but in the mean time, let me decide where I want to live please.


  • #128
    teaandtoast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭teaandtoast


    DaveDaRave wrote: »
    Abortions should be mandatory, if you're on the dole.

    So what your saying is all the people whose mother and/or father were on the dole or on other welfare payment while they were their children were born don't deserve to live!


  • #129
    teaandtoast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭teaandtoast


    Teamshadowclan wrote: »
    Out of interest, what progress does living at home prevent?
    I live at home. I can cook (pretty well, to be honest), and I was taught the value of money from a young age. I was given a stable but limited pocket allowance each month and my parents made sure to show me the value of budgeting and planning ahead. These aren't things that are unlearnable while living at home. That depends on the person and what they want to learn, not on the location they are living in.

    I'll admit I've got a pretty overbearing mother who insists on doing alot of the washing, etc, for me, and I'd like independence one day. But right now, I'm unemployed, and its not financially responsible of me to move out. In fact, I hate the social stigma that surrounds this idea of having to move out, cause its something that, as a nation, we're going to have to help pay for when we cannot afford it. We shouldn't be encouraging people to move out of home and, in the process, either having to fork out extra benefits to them or having people put themselves into debt, just to maintain a social norm.

    When I can afford to move out and get my own place, and when I'm not going to cripple myself financially, I will, but in the mean time, let me decide where I want to live please.

    Well you are an adult even in the animal kingdom the offspring know to leave when they are raised. Where is the sigma surrounding moving out and becoming independent, it's what adults do!


  • #130
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,952 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    teaandtoast wrote: »
    Well you are an adult even in the animal kingdom the offspring know to leave when they are raised. Where is the sigma surrounding moving out and becoming independent, it's what adults do!

    It's not surrounding moving out; it's surrounding the fact some people make quite logical choices to stay at home but are moaned about. The funny thing is if I moved out of home and started claiming benefits to help such a decision, I'd have people moaning about that to. It's a lose/lose.


  • #131
    padd b1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,853 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Spunge wrote: »
    I heard its quite hard to get rent allowance. Isnt it something like only 10% of the people on the dole are on rent allowance ?
    If you are entitled to it, you will get it.


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  • #132
    JimiTime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    I was on the dole for 3 months after I left College. It was fantastic having that time off. Ok, so i didn't have a lot of cash, but time is SOOOOOO much more valuable than cash. I am astounded that people cite 'boredom' as a consequence of being on the dole. Its like people who say, 'if i won the lotto, I'd still work as I'd just get bored'. WHAT???!! It sounds like some people have been institutionalized by the jobs market.

    Of course, I hope you all find what you desire in terms of work, but for those of you who are bored with all the time off, and having no joy in getting work, just imagine the multitudes of things you could do with your free time. You could help others in your community by donating your time (You'll be surprised at the joy you can get in giving), pick up a hobby, read, educate yourself further, pick up a musical instrument etc etc.


  • #133
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    DaveDaRave wrote: »
    Abortions should be mandatory, if you're on the dole.


    What a stupid idiotic statement to post


  • #134
    DaveDaRave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭DaveDaRave


    realies wrote: »
    What a stupid idiotic statement to post

    Some of us aren't afraid to make tough decisions.


  • #135
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    DaveDaRave wrote: »
    Some of us aren't afraid to make tough decisions.

    Thankfully such tough decision makers are often too stupid to ever get to the point where they could effect such changes.


  • #136
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    Oddly enough 100 of the finest minds in economics have lobbied the English government to actually increase the amount of benefits as it would be so good for the economy.

    Needless to say people ignore this in threads such as these. It's easier to stick to stereotypes and poorly thought out arguments.

    The dole in the UK is only half what it is here.


  • #137
    Robdude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Robdude


    teaandtoast wrote: »
    That is murder and wrong

    Isn't abortion legal in Ireland?

    (I'm honestly asking, I don't know)


  • #138
    EGAR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭EGAR


    DaveDaRave wrote: »
    Abortions should be mandatory, if you're on the dole.

    Although I am pro choice that is just what it wouldn't be: choice.


    I was on the dole once, in 1997 for 3 months.


  • #139
    Killer Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    Don't mind KP, his real opinion is actually nothing at all like the one he expressed in this thread, or many others.

    After a long chat with him in another thread his real view of Social Welfare and those who need it is actually quite reasonable and well informed.

    I have no idea why he keeps resorting to this type of post...I can only assume to appear cool or something because it's AH.

    But every time he does i remind him it's not really what he thinks and he should stop being a sad bastard about it.

    Hitler was good at dealing with parasites, maybe we should try the same with people who are unemployed and totally useless to society.

    (hawr hawr hawrr trollolololololllololololol)

    Thank my post because I'm cool.


  • #140
    EGAR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭EGAR


    Robdude wrote: »
    Isn't abortion legal in Ireland?

    (I'm honestly asking, I don't know)

    No, unfortunately it is illegal.


  • #141
    CamperMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭CamperMan


    professore wrote: »
    The dole in the UK is only half what it is here.

    and dole bums in the UK can still afford the new Nike trainers, Sky TV, cars, mobile phones, fags, booze!!!!


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  • #142
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    DaveDaRave wrote: »
    Some of us aren't afraid to make tough decisions.


    Who is this us ?


  • #143
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    professore wrote: »
    The dole in the UK is only half what it is here.

    Sure is.

    How about average wage, cost of living, rate of inflation etc etc.
    Killer Pigeon wrote: »
    Hitler was good at dealing with parasites, maybe we should try the same with people who are unemployed and totally useless to society.

    (hawr hawr hawrr trollolololololllololololol)

    Thank my post because I'm cool.

    You already used that one in a previous thread.

    You need to get more original instead of just biting your own posts.

    I hate to see potential being squandered.


  • #144
    Robdude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Robdude


    If increasing the amount of dole money is good for the economy - feel free to send some of those euros my way.

    I'm not an economist but I still believe in common sense. Giving people more money to do nothing requires a source of income to get that money. Sources like taxes. People who work pay taxes. Those people are just as likely to spend money and contribution to the economy as the people you intend to give more money too.

    All this does is encourage people not to work and encourage wasteful spending. Neither of which make any sense to me.


  • #145
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    CamperMan wrote: »
    and dole bums in the UK can still afford the new Nike trainers, Sky TV, cars, mobile phones, fags, booze!!!!



    Well you do have to go to the trouble of rioting for those things


  • #146
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Robdude wrote: »
    If increasing the amount of dole money is good for the economy - feel free to send some of those euros my way.

    I'm not an economist but I still believe in common sense. Giving people more money to do nothing requires a source of income to get that money. Sources like taxes. People who work pay taxes. Those people are just as likely to spend money and contribution to the economy as the people you intend to give more money too.

    All this does is encourage people not to work and encourage wasteful spending. Neither of which make any sense to me.

    It's also an enormous cash injection into the economy each week. People will talk about dolers spending money of drugs and saving it but that is largely bollix.

    Mostly they put everything they get into the hands of local businesses. You should read about Plan B with regard to the UK economy, it explains it far better than i could and largely made me completely change my view of what should be done about the dole in Ireland.


  • #147
    Killer Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    You already used that one in a previous thread.

    You need to get more original instead of just biting your own posts.

    I hate to see potential being squandered.

    In my first post I didn't suggest the mass extermination of the unemployed parasites, I merely stated that those on the dole are parasites.


  • #148
    lar203
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63 ✭✭lar203


    How much to u get on the dole over here


  • #149
    Robdude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Robdude


    Personally - I think everyone on the dole (at least, every able-bodied person) should be required to perform 20 hours of community service each week in order to get their payments.

    A lot of people on the dole complain that they feel worthless. This would give them some sense of purpose. And lord knows, there are plenty of jobs to be done. Some of it could even be considered valuable training for when these people return to the work-force.

    Working 20 hours per week still gives job seekers plenty of time to search for a job and the hours could be flexible to allow job interviews. This might even discourage people from abusing the system - now it's not free money, it's an honest, decent paying part-time job that will keep food on the table until you can find something better.

    The tax payers win too - they are still paying for the dole benefits but now they get something tangible; even if it's someone as simple as cleaner streets and parks.


  • #150
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Killer Pigeon wrote: »
    In my first post I didn't suggest the mass extermination of the unemployed parasites, I merely stated that those on the dole are parasites.

    Key phrase you missed from my post... "in a previous thread".

    Like i said, all this trolly **** from you have been done, and i am aware of your genuine opinions. I look forward to you hopefully evolving your trolling game in 2012.


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  • #151
    Robdude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Robdude


    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    It's also an enormous cash injection into the economy each week. People will talk about dolers spending money of drugs and saving it but that is largely bollix.

    Mostly they put everything they get into the hands of local businesses. You should read about Plan B with regard to the UK economy, it explains it far better than i could and largely made me completely change my view of what should be done about the dole in Ireland.

    So....

    1.) Tax businesses a lot
    2.) Take some of that tax and give it to people who don't work
    3.) Wait for those people to spend money at said business
    4.) Business earns back some fraction of the taxed money they paid

    How is this better than

    1.) Tax businesses less

    ?

    Honestly, I'm willing to admit I have no idea what I'm talking about. I don't know if I'll get a chance to read the book, but thank you for mentioning it. I know that not all topics are simple enough to sum up in a quick boards.ie post.


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