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Life on the dole

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  • #92
    LighterGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭LighterGuy


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Saved your dole?
    No offence but thats the best argument I have heard to prove that the level of dole payment is too high.

    get lost.
    go begrudge someone else.


  • #93
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    theg81der wrote: »
    :( this thread makes me feel worse. All the generalisations. Theres no jobs - I`d gladly work in dunnes penneys etc Theres no training option because I have a level 8. I`m bored and lonely I find myslef wandering around aimlessly because I have nothing else to do. I am not the confident person I was when I worked and I miss that. I almost feel apologetic for my existance at the moment.

    But on the bright side I`m pregnant and that for me is a miracle whenever it happens so although I don`t have the money to offer my child the opportunities I`d like I do have time and love to give them.
    Remember though, this country is not going to be f***ed forever. It'll turn around.............eventually! Good luck with the baby.


  • #94
    Wompa1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,279 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    sunflower27 wrote: »
    Hey, I never said the dole should pay for holidays. I said being on the dole means I forego travelling, which is something I love. I'd much rather be working so that I could afford to do the things I love to do as often as I wanted.

    I can't argue that some people are not out to abuse the system. Personally I don't know why anyone would want to live on 188e a week and live off that and not aspire to buy nice things, experience new things and travel new places - which all cost money.

    I agree with you that there is no valid excuse for someone to not work in 5 years, to not educate themselves. But then, that is because that existence is totally alien to me. I can't imagine living as I am for another 4 years. It is a nightmare I don't even want to think about. Clothes can be cheap enough to buy in Penney's so the piece of sh!t you were talking about doesn't need too much to not look like a tramp.

    I personally rarely even thought of what it would be like to be unemployed because I was alway in gainful employment, enjoying my life... my redundancy rocked me to my very core.

    It's not just the lack of money to get my hair done, etc, it is the feeling of not being wanted, of worthlessness from not contributing, of meeting friends and not having anything much to talk about.

    I took on an internship to better myself and to make me more employable in the future. I actually see myself as one of the lucky ones, believe it or not. Now when I meet friends they want to know about the exciting things I am doing - it makes a nice change, I can tell you.

    I didn't lose my positivity that down the line things will improve - I think it is a trap many do fall into.

    I look forward to the day I can do an honest day's work and be paid for it.

    Maybe I have a different outlook because I am living this life and I can see that it is not a life I'd ever live by choice.

    ETA: And yes, I too volunteer - I am on the fundraising committe of a women's refuge. There are a lot of people on the dole that are doing good things.

    Sorry the whole volunteer mention was more I'm doing this at the moment so maybe I could do up materials for training in other things if the interests is out there. If I'm doing this for free as it is, why not offer training to free to others online.

    Anybody have anything computer wise they'd like to learn. I might have the knowledge to share.


  • #95
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Dudess wrote: »
    Yeah, damn those parasitic types who lost their jobs due to the economic downturn and are availing of the dole, seeing as they need an income and they paid their taxes for long enough, until they find another job.

    And hurrah for those anti dole renegades who wouldn't even go on it if they lost their jobs...

    Don't mind KP, his real opinion is actually nothing at all like the one he expressed in this thread, or many others.

    After a long chat with him in another thread his real view of Social Welfare and those who need it is actually quite reasonable and well informed.

    I have no idea why he keeps resorting to this type of post...I can only assume to appear cool or something because it's AH.

    But every time he does i remind him it's not really what he thinks and he should stop being a sad bastard about it.


  • #96
    teaandtoast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭teaandtoast


    I believe there is no one that wants to be on welfare, everyone really does want to take part and contribute to society in what ever way, shape or form that they can give. It's human nature, people need to get respect by others and from others in the contribution to society they make. I think there is not much support and rescources for marginalise in this society to make a valuable contribution.

    There many people who have degrees and who are well qualified are working in job where a pass in the leaving cert is not required, these jobs should only be given to people who are unemployed and lack skills and qualifications and/or the long term unempolyed because it is these jobs that will do justice to them not qualified/educated people


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  • #97
    Wattle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Wattle


    I'm gonna do a TEFL course in the new year and ship out of this miserable country for a while. Simply can't face another year of merely existing and going nowhere. Up yours Ireland :)


  • #98
    Wompa1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,279 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Wattle wrote: »
    I'm gonna do a TEFL course in the new year and ship out of this miserable country for a while. Simply can't face another year of merely existing and going nowhere. Up yours Ireland :)

    I know that's an After Hours remark but I have to say anyways..Up Yours Ireland for not giving you enough or what?

    Try another country, see what happens if you lose your job there....

    I don't wish that on you but come on, we have it great in this country


  • #99
    imalwayshappy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 123 ✭✭imalwayshappy


    Change is needed. There are far too many people who are using the dole for drinking and smoking which is a waste of tax payers money. I propose the following.

    1.The dole should be taken away from younger people who have not contributed PRSI and replaced with food vouchers.
    2. Members of soceity which have been made redundant which numerous years of service to the country via PRSI should be given an increase in their weekely allowance.

    There is far to much wastage in social welfare its sickening. I see hard working people with families suffer because Mick wants to stay at home with mammy and piss away his 188 euro away. Take away the options for these people and without hard cash they will find a job quick enough.


  • #100
    sunflower27
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    imalwayshappy wrote: »
    Change is needed. There are far too many people who are using the dole for drinking and smoking which is a waste of tax payers money. I propose the following.

    1.The dole should be taken away from younger people who have not contributed PRSI and replaced with food vouchers.
    2. Members of soceity which have been made redundant which numerous years of service to the country via PRSI should be given an increase in their weekely allowance.

    There is far to much wastage in social welfare its sickening. I see hard working people with families suffer because Mick wants to stay at home with mammy and piss away his 188 euro away. Take away the options for these people and without hard cash they will find a job quick enough.

    I don't think Mick would qualify for 188e if he lives with mammy? I thought if you lived at home your rate was cut?


  • #101
    DaveDaRave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭DaveDaRave


    sunflower27 wrote: »
    I don't think Mick would qualify for 188e if he lives with mammy? I thought if you lived at home your rate was cut?

    Only if you're under 25


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  • #102
    sunflower27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭sunflower27


    DaveDaRave wrote: »
    Only if you're under 25

    25-year-olds living at home :eek: Ah, come on, you're having a laugh, surely ;)


  • #103
    Wattle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Wattle


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    I know that's an After Hours remark but I have to say anyways..Up Yours Ireland for not giving you enough or what?

    Try another country, see what happens if you lose your job there....

    I don't wish that on you but come on, we have it great in this country

    The money is just enough to exist. I'm tired of merely existing.

    Isn't it better that I'd be off the dole and being useful somewhere else?


  • #104
    teaandtoast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭teaandtoast


    Alot over 25s still live with their parents! Why do they not want to fend for themselves and live their own life? If they are healthy adults?


  • #105
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    The dole is relatively high because the cost of living is high.

    "If you can't afford children, don't have them" is one of the dumbest phrases in existence btw. Seriously displays no thinking whatsoever.


  • #106
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    teaandtoast wrote: »
    Alot over 25s still live with their parents! Why do they not want to fend for themselves and live their own life? If they are healthy adults?
    High unemployment making it difficult to fend for themselves.


  • #107
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Dudess wrote: »
    The dole is relatively high because the cost of living is high.

    "If you can't afford children, don't have them" is one of the dumbest phrases in existence btw. Seriously displays no thinking whatsoever.

    Oddly enough 100 of the finest minds in economics have lobbied the English government to actually increase the amount of benefits as it would be so good for the economy.

    Needless to say people ignore this in threads such as these. It's easier to stick to stereotypes and poorly thought out arguments.


  • #108
    teaandtoast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭teaandtoast


    Dudess wrote: »
    The dole is relatively high because the cost of living is high.

    "If you can't afford children, don't have them" is one of the dumbest phrases in existence btw. Seriously displays no thinking whatsoever.

    Well most people who are on welfare are stuggling to get by, bringing a child into that struggle isn't what they deserve but life isn't as simple as that and no contraception is 100% effective 100% of the time.


  • #109
    Intensive Care Bear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭Intensive Care Bear


    Johnny Foreigner wrote: »
    Life on the dole.
    How is it for you?

    The hours are great but the pay is sh*t.


  • #110
    teaandtoast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭teaandtoast


    Dudess wrote: »
    High unemployment making it difficult to fend for themselves.

    Well it is no excuse for grown adults depending on their parents. If you don't live at your parents, you are entitled to more social welfare benefits such as fuel allowance and rent allowance. It's not real life living with your parents, many people who do don't know what real life is.


  • #111
    seanybiker
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    teaandtoast wrote: »
    Well it is no excuse for grown adults depending on their parents. If you don't live at your parents, you are entitled to more social welfare benefits such as fuel allowance and rent allowance. It's not real life living with your parents, many people who do don't know what real life is.
    so simple. Hang on I go get a house sure.


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  • #112
    teaandtoast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭teaandtoast


    seanybiker wrote: »
    so simple. Hang on I go get a house sure.

    I didn't say it's simple but it's better to know what life is than live at your parents. You can house/flat share or live in studio/bedsit. You would be entitled to more benefits than living at home depending on your parents


  • #113
    seanybiker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭seanybiker


    teaandtoast wrote: »
    I didn't say it's simple but it's better to know what life is than live at your parents. You can house/flat share or live in studio/bedsit. You would be entitled to more benefits than living at home depending on your parents

    I know what your sayong but some would rather not claim every benefit available to them just to live life in a cushti way.


  • #114
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    teaandtoast wrote: »
    Dudess wrote: »
    The dole is relatively high because the cost of living is high.

    "If you can't afford children, don't have them" is one of the dumbest phrases in existence btw. Seriously displays no thinking whatsoever.

    Well most people who are on welfare are stuggling to get by, bringing a child into that struggle isn't what they deserve but life isn't as simple as that and no contraception is 100% effective 100% of the time.
    The phrase is even applied though to people who lose their job, or whose partner left them. It's such an obnoxious attitude, by people who are naive and arrogant enough to think such stuff couldn't happen to them.
    Re adults living with their parents: I personally don't see the issue, so long as they pay towards bills and mortgage or rent. And so long as they help around the house and don't rely on family members to be taxi services. Some of them also may only be doing so as a temporary measure because of returning from travelling or college or because they've lost their job.


  • #115
    teaandtoast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭teaandtoast


    Dudess wrote: »
    The phrase is even applied though to people who lose their job, or whose partner left them. It's such an obnoxious attitude, by people who are naive and arrogant enough to think such stuff couldn't happen to them.
    Re adults living with their parents: I personally don't see the issue, so long as they pay towards bills and mortgage or rent. And so long as they help around the house and don't rely on family members to be taxi services. Some of them also may only be doing so as a temporary measure because of returning from travelling or college or because they've lost their job.

    Well I know for many it's temporary but for those that are living long term at their parents, there isn't much progress that can made in your life while living with your parents. People come to realise what real life is once they are living independently, they learn the value of money, how to cook, how to budget etc. There are a good few people who do not know the basic things of living because their mothers do most things for them.


  • #116
    Spunge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Spunge


    teaandtoast wrote: »
    Well it is no excuse for grown adults depending on their parents. If you don't live at your parents, you are entitled to more social welfare benefits such as fuel allowance and rent allowance. It's not real life living with your parents, many people who do don't know what real life is.

    I heard its quite hard to get rent allowance. Isnt it something like only 10% of the people on the dole are on rent allowance ?


  • #117
    theg81der
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭theg81der


    teaandtoast wrote: »
    Well most people who are on welfare are stuggling to get by, bringing a child into that struggle isn't what they deserve but life isn't as simple as that and no contraception is 100% effective 100% of the time.

    I think the whole "accident" thing is a load of absolute rubbish, yes some contraception is 100% (implanon when properly inserted) people don`t want it because the unconsciously want "accidents" its only human nature - I do know lots of friends who would tell people it wasn`t intended etc to cover themselve but I know and they know they are lying.

    I`m pregnant now and on the dole so not what I wanted for my family but needs must I will not pretend that I wasn`t involved in getting myself into this situation and if payments for having kids stops its my problem and my decision why should everyone else be penilised for my decision to have kids? I`m getting older there are no jobs and I`m not going to risk my childs health for my pride these added to my decision. And when chatting to someone who works in the dole and said I was waiting till we got work to have a child - they laughed and said I was foolish and to look at everyone else.


  • #118
    teaandtoast
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭teaandtoast


    Spunge wrote: »
    I heard its quite hard to get rent allowance. Isnt it something like only 10% of the people on the dole are on rent allowance ?

    No that's not correct. Anyone who is living independently in private rented accommodation and is on a welfare already and has been living in Ireland for the past few years has a high chance of getting rent allowance


  • #119
    JFlah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 752 ✭✭✭JFlah


    30Min wrote: »
    It is my business because he shouldn't be spending tax payers money on drink and fags. He doesn't need drink and fags.

    They are trying to cut money which is going to severely disabled children for god sake and you think its ok to give people 188 a week which they obviously don't need as they are using it to go on the lash/pop it in the bank.

    Also- anyone who says they have not been able to get a single day of work in any job in 2 years is A LIAR !!

    What they mean is, they haven't wanted to get a job that suits them. I'm not working in a job that suits me/that I love or even like. But I do it because Im not going on the dole and have the cheek to tell people around me that there's not a sinner employing anyone.
    HOW DARE YOU!!!
    Who do you think you are calling so many people LIARS. You come to Tralee and try and find work you,ll be bloody laughed at . Fairplay to you working in a job you don,t like something I,d gladly do but don,t paint everyone on the dole with the same brush for every fool spending his dole on fags n booze there are 10 genuinely struggling and desperate and quite frankly scared of the future!!


  • #120
    Killer Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    Dudess wrote: »
    Yeah, damn those parasitic types who lost their jobs due to the economic downturn and are availing of the dole, seeing as they need an income and they paid their taxes for long enough, until they find another job.

    And hurrah for those anti dole renegades who wouldn't even go on it if they lost their jobs...

    Dudess, given that you've been on boards.ie longer than I have, I would have suspected that you of all people would be able to identify an obvious troll ... :rolleyes:


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  • #121
    almighty1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭almighty1


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Saved your dole?
    No offence but thats the best argument I have heard to prove that the level of dole payment is too high.

    Agree totally.


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