Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

YouTookMyName · 21-12-2011 08:10PM

Rafa just popped up with this beauty:

"You cannot have an impartial Football Association when members of that board are also executives at Manchester Utd football club.

opr · 21-12-2011 08:12PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

You think Ron Atkinson and ITV should have been as forceful in their denials that he was a racist as well?

It depends what they believed. I am sick of reading this stupid pissing contest and have no desire to get involved in it. You have been in and out of threads all day pushing your agenda hoping to garner a reaction from people on the same point over and over. Clear evidence was presented to show Atkinson was a racist so supporting him would have been stupid.

Suarez is garnering such support because people don't believe he is a racists or that he intended to racially insult Evra with his comments. They feel the decision is wrong on all levels and want to show support for him.

Opr

Blatter · 21-12-2011 08:12PM

K-9 wrote: »

There's a surprise.

Where did they say he couldn't have made a racial slur? You wouldn't be reading between the lines and not the actual words?

Its a pretty short and sweet statement so you wont have much bother pointing out the parts you feel are irresponsible:

Because they are saying they are angered that he's been found guilty and go on to talk about his good character. The insinuation is clear.

And if it's not clear enough, all you have to do is read the club statement from last night when they talk about all his connections to black people as if it proves something.

I think it could be handled an awful lot better, that's all.

Leiva · 21-12-2011 08:12PM

Blatter wrote: »

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I'm not deliberately taking offense to how LFC are handling this case, I just genuinely think they are handling it horrendously.

There is only one side handling this case horrendously and IMO it ain't LFC .

Only time will tell I suppose who is right .

Again only my opinion .

Will I Amnt · 21-12-2011 08:13PM

YouTookMyName wrote: »

Rafa just popped up with this beauty:

"You cannot have an impartial Football Association when members of that board are also executives at Manchester Utd football club.

Wouldn't be the first time he popped up with it.
Gill wasn't on the panel so nothing to see there really.

Oh and Gill was around for Rooneys and Fergies bans,how come he didn't influence them........oh yea it's just Rafa being paranoid again

UnitedIrishman · 21-12-2011 08:15PM

mixednuts wrote: »

There is only one side handling this case horrendously and IMO it ain't LFC .

Only time will tell I suppose who is right .

Again only my opinion .

Of course you wouldn't.

Leiva · 21-12-2011 08:16PM

#15 wrote: »

Presumably Utd, even though they haven't commented on the matter?

Presumption is the mother of all cock ups .

No the FA !

opr · 21-12-2011 08:19PM

Blatter wrote: »

Opr, as I've just said, it's understandable that they want to support him but there are ways of doing it and they are not doing it the correct way imo.

They could have just illustrated how he wasn't an actual racist, no need to use it as if it proves the defense against his FA charge.

They are essentially saying that he couldn't have made a racial slur because he's not a racist, which is ridiculous and irresponsible.

In my eyes they are making such a public song and dance about things because the indictment from the FA indirectly labels Suarez a racist. If Liverpool had left well enough alone and took the ban and said no more, ordinary Joe Soap reads the papers the next day and I would say 80%+ go away with the idea he is racist.

The defense has been so vehement and public in my eyes partly to make sure the message gets hammered home. He is not a racist! I would say that is very important to the club but more important I would say it is very important to Luis.

Opr

K-9 · 21-12-2011 08:24PM

Blatter wrote: »

Because they are saying they are angered that he's been found guilty and go on to talk about his good character. The insinuation is clear.

Basically they can't believe he was found guilty, amazingly irresponsible alright.

And if it's not clear enough, all you have to do is read the club statement from last night when they talk about all his connections to black people as if it proves something.

Terry and Chelsea saying similar stuff. Its a standard line in the things if a bit Jade Goodie.

I think it could be handled an awful lot better, that's all.

Of course you do, you're a United fan and have no great love for Liverpool. Maybe it was just a statement of support for the player before he plays tonight? There's also a few idiots wondering how Johnson can play with him! So his first match, the day after the verdict that he said a racial slur and the players want to show their support for him. Not that irresponsible.

Leiva · 21-12-2011 08:25PM

opr wrote: »

In my eyes they are making such a public song and dance about things because the indictment from the FA indirectly labels Suarez a racist. If Liverpool had left well enough alone and took the ban and said no more, ordinary Joe Soap reads the papers the next day and I would say 80%+ go away with the idea he is racist.

The defense has been so vehement and public in my eyes partly to make sure the message gets hammered home. He is not a racist! I would say that is very important to the club but more important I would say it is very important to Luis.

Opr

Well said .

But the headlines in the papers today from the usual Shiite pushers didn't help .

Suppose the meat heads that buy them fall for the baited headline.

Fuhrer · 21-12-2011 08:26PM

opr wrote: »

Clear evidence was presented to show Atkinson was a racist so supporting him would have been stupid.

What was the clear evidence he was a racist?

He used an insult with a reference to Desaillys skin color, which is exactly what Suarez has been found guilty of.

His defense was that he didn't mean it in a racist way, same as Suarez.

Why is one a clear racist while the other gets nothing but your undying love and support?

Will I Amnt · 21-12-2011 08:29PM

opr wrote: »

If Liverpool had left well enough alone and took the ban and said no more, ordinary Joe Soap reads the papers the next day and I would say 80%+ go away with the idea he is racist.

I think that's extremely presumptuous and a little bit arrogant to presume that 80%+ of "ordinary" people are incapable of making up their own minds on something.

Mr Alan · 21-12-2011 08:30PM

opr wrote: »

In my eyes they are making such a public song and dance about things because the indictment from the FA indirectly labels Suarez a racist. If Liverpool had left well enough alone and took the ban and said no more, ordinary Joe Soap reads the papers the next day and I would say 80%+ go away with the idea he is racist.

The defense has been so vehement and public in my eyes partly to make sure the message gets hammered home. He is not a racist! I would say that is very important to the club but more important I would say it is very important to Luis.

Opr

The FA say Suarez is not a racist.

Evra says he knows Suarez is not a racist.

The Mirrors headline today?

It's perfectly clear why Liverpool is making such a big deal out of this.

If they don't have solid evidence that he racially abused which we have yet to be made aware of, then their verdict is beyond irresponsible.

Helix · 21-12-2011 08:35PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

If they don't have solid evidence that he racially abused which we have yet to be made aware of, then their verdict is beyond irresponsible.

theyve banned him on the basis that he repeatedly used the word negrito. how he meant it doesnt matter. the ban is for the use of a word, repeatedly, that he could see the opponent was being wound up by. he's admitted using it and liverpool have admitted using it. a bit of cop on wouldn't have gone astray from the lad and he wouldn't have been in this position

that said, coming from the guy who carried out this borderline assault, cop on is hardly expected

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opr · 21-12-2011 08:36PM

I see so Atkinson was brought up culturally using the term 'Lazy ******' as a term of endearment. Fuhrer, do you ever get tired of pedaling some of crap you are posting ... sigh.

Also I just looked it up and Atkinson made no such kind of defense.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2004/apr/22/football.raceintheuk

"He immediately offered his resignation which we have accepted."

Atkinson also has a weekly column and tactical chalkboard in the Guardian. A spokesman for the Guardian said last night: "We take this matter extremely seriously and will be talking to Ron Atkinson at the earliest opportunity."

Atkinson said last night: "I made a stupid mistake which I regret. It left me no option but to resign. At the moment I can't believe I did it.

Opr

super_furry · 21-12-2011 08:38PM

Scraping the barel a bit there aren't you Helix?

He made a bad tackle so he's a card carrying KKK member?

Ordinary man · 21-12-2011 08:38PM

mixednuts wrote: »

There is only one side handling this case horrendously and IMO it ain't LFC .

Only time will tell I suppose who is right .

Again only my opinion .

LFC couldn't have handled it much worse with that club statement last night

Paully D · 21-12-2011 08:39PM

Shocking stance from Liverpool, IMO. They are openly condoning racist abuse and seem to be taking pride in doing so.

Helix · 21-12-2011 08:41PM

super_furry wrote: »

Scraping the barel a bit there aren't you Helix?

He made a bad tackle so he's a card carrying KKK member?

where did i call him a racist? i said he has no cop on

what he said was idiotic, but im not saying it was racist. non racists can use terms others might deem racist, but it doesnt make them racist. only suarez knows whether he is or not, and frankly i couldnt care less. whether he is or not isnt the issue at all here. the issue is what happened on the pitch between him and evra, and the fa have called it that it's worth a ban.

its the right move imo, it would be the right move if it was another player from another club, and it would be the right move if it was a villa player (who i support). it doesnt matter a jot how it was meant, it just matters that it was said

Mr Alan · 21-12-2011 08:43PM

Strange Paulie, I expected you to be moved by their solidarity, considering the love you have for LFC & Suarez.

Helix, we don't know what evidence they're using to charge him. The most accurate reports during the trial were that he admitted calling him 'negro' or 'negrito' in Spanish once after Evra said 'get your hands off me south american'.

If that admission turns out to be what they've based the ruling on, there isn't enough LOL's in the world.

willmunny1990 · 21-12-2011 08:44PM

Paully D wrote: »

Shocking stance from Liverpool, IMO. They are openly condoning racist abuse and seem to be taking pride in doing so.

shocking but not surprising unfortunately:rolleyes:.

Helix · 21-12-2011 08:45PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Strange Paulie, I expected you to be moved by their solidarity, considering the love you have for LFC & Suarez.

Helix, we don't know what evidence they're using to charge him. The most accurate reports during the trial were that he admitted calling him 'negro' or 'negrito' in Spanish once after Evra said 'get your hands off me south american'.

If that admission turns out to be what they've based the ruling on, there isn't enough LOL's in the world.

we also dont know what evidence they're not using to charge him

which is why people need to stfu and wait til the report comes out before whinging about poor luis and the nasty lying frenchie

K-9 · 21-12-2011 08:45PM

Paully D wrote: »

Shocking stance from Liverpool, IMO. They are openly condoning racist abuse and seem to be taking pride in doing so.

Well that's my mind changed then. Surprised you had no ITK stuff on it.

Ordinary man · 21-12-2011 08:45PM

opr wrote: »

I see so Atkinson was brought up culturally using the term 'Lazy ******' as a term of endearment. Fuhrer, do you ever get tired of pedaling some of crap you are posting ... sigh.

Also I just looked it up and Atkinson made no such kind of defense.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2004/apr/22/football.raceintheuk

Opr

That is an example of how somebody admits and accepts the punishment for a stupid comment. Atkinson was never a racist but he said the wrong thing and took his punishment. Suarez should take note

carlcon · 21-12-2011 08:45PM

Reina is wearing a shirt in the warm up to show support for Suarez.

Spaniards condoning racism? NEVER!

MonkeyTennis · 21-12-2011 08:45PM

Paully D wrote: »

Shocking stance from Liverpool, IMO. They are openly condoning racist abuse and seem to be taking pride in doing so.

Sure what would the guys that were on the pitch at the time know?

21-12-2011 08:46PM

Shame Dermot Morgan wasn't alive, he could do a slide show for Suarez and give a speech.

K-9 · 21-12-2011 08:46PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

shocking but not surprising unfortunately:rolleyes:.

The batman signal went up.

Leiva · 21-12-2011 08:48PM

carlcon wrote: »

Reina is wearing a shirt in the warm up to show support for Suarez.

Spaniards condoning racism? NEVER!

Says it all mate , says it all :rolleyes:

Fuhrer · 21-12-2011 08:49PM

opr wrote: »

I see so Atkinson was brought up culturally using the term 'Lazy ******' as a term of endearment. Fuhrer, do you ever get tired of pedaling some of crap you are posting ... sigh.

Also I just looked it up and Atkinson made no such kind of defense.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2004/apr/22/football.raceintheuk

Opr

Here you go

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/apr/25/race.football

"'What I said is racist, I understand that, but I'm not a racist. Don't forget, I was brought up ... look I've had pairs of shoes that have been ****** brown, that's what they used to say. Does that mean anything to you?"

The exact point I made, and a direct quote to back it up.

Rons culture when he was growing up was that you could say ****** and it wasnt considered racist.

At least he had the balls to admit that he shouldnt have said it.

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