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#15 · 21-12-2011 07:43PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Stop the press an ignorant poster who feels their culture is above that of other people.

Wrong, turd.

I'm not at all into cultural superiority, but feel free to misrepresent the hell out of me. Seems to be par for the course on this thread and a certain subset of posters.

Chucky the tree · 21-12-2011 07:43PM

kryogen wrote: »

I really wish the Suarez defenders would stop the babe in the woods defence

Oh he didnt mean it to be offensive? Wow he must be pretty thick then, living in Europe for how many years and doesnt know yet that the term Negro/Black whatever will be taken offensively by the opponent...

Bit of a joke tbh

It is irrelevant anyway, he is not in his own country, even if racism is acceptable there it is not over here, it is his fault that he did not know this, so the arguement is null and void even if he is so innocent and didnt think it would cause offence

How is referring to the colour of someones skin worse than referring to their birthplace?

kryogen · 21-12-2011 07:43PM

Mars Bar wrote: »

Liverpool fan on my facebook:

Same Liverpool fan on John Terry on Google+

:rolleyes:

And that is what you are up against with a lot of people unfortunately

scruff321 · 21-12-2011 07:43PM

killwill wrote: »

Context, does anyone understand the word context.

Different language, different culture and therefore different meanings to words, not necessarily racist, or atleast thats the argument here, i can see the logic been that i live in South America.

Mars Bar · 21-12-2011 07:44PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

He's probably 14

Unfortunately not.

21-12-2011 07:44PM

Blatter wrote: »

They are trying to push the fact that he's clearly not an actual racist as solid evidence that he didn't mean it as a racial slur.

Ridiculous in the extreme, but I suppose it will work on some people.

Well it seems to be annoying you more than most :pac:

killwill · 21-12-2011 07:44PM

Blatter wrote: »

Do Liverpool genuinely not understand the fact you can be guilty of a racial slur without actually being a racist or are they being deliberately stupid?

They keep pushing the fact he's not a racist, as if it proves he didn't make a racial slur. Unreal.

scruff321 wrote: »

Different language, different culture and therefore different meanings to words, not necessarily racist, or atleast thats the argument here, i can see the logic been that i live in South America.

LOL you are saying you know better because you live in South America.
Silly arguement

Handsome Bob · 21-12-2011 07:45PM

Blatter wrote: »

Do Liverpool genuinely not understand the fact you can be guilty of a racial slur without actually being a racist or are they being deliberately stupid?

They keep pushing the fact he's not a racist, as if it proves he didn't make a racial slur. Unreal.

But this will tag him as a racist forever, he'll never escape it.

kryogen · 21-12-2011 07:45PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Delighted with the show of support from Liverpool and the players.

What else would you expect?

In fact, what else could they do when the club and their manager has set the stall out to be hard nosed about it?

They would almost certainly have advised to do this by the manager/club

K-9 · 21-12-2011 07:46PM

Blatter wrote: »

They are trying to push the fact that he's clearly not an actual racist as solid evidence that he didn't mean it as a racial slur.

Ridiculous in the extreme, but I suppose it will work on some people.

There'll be a perception that he is racist, seen on here yesterday.

21-12-2011 07:48PM

kryogen wrote: »

What else would you expect?

In fact, what else could they do when the club and their manager has set the stall out to be hard nosed about it?

They would almost certainly have advised to do this by the manager/club

Who knows,they may be doing so against their will.

The plot thickens

#15 · 21-12-2011 07:49PM

Handsome Bob wrote: »

But this will tag him as a racist forever, he'll never escape it.

That's a fair point, and I agree that it would be too harsh if he was branded a racist forever.
However, presuming he did say a racially abusive word, he had to be punished.
It's not the FA's fault if it sticks to him for the rest of his career. I can certainly see where you are coming from, but isn't it just a consequence of his own actions?

Fuhrer · 21-12-2011 07:49PM

Handsome Bob wrote: »

But this will tag him as a racist forever, he'll never escape it.

Awwww, poor him.

Try making the remark to someone at work, see how long you have a job for.

kryogen · 21-12-2011 07:49PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

How is referring to the colour of someones skin worse than referring to their birthplace?

Where did I say it was?

Why is there always a deflection or an avoidance on some peoples part?

You address nothing of whats said in the post, you ask me a random question which has nothing to do with it, of which I have not made a comment about

Why?

Blatter · 21-12-2011 07:50PM

Handsome Bob wrote: »

But this will tag him as a racist forever, he'll never escape it.

Chucky the tree wrote: »

How is referring to the colour of someones skin worse than referring to their birthplace?

K-9 wrote: »

There'll be a perception that he is racist, seen on here yesterday.

I understand that they want to make it brutally clear that Suarez isn't a racist, but do it separately and don't use it as a public defense against the FA charge because it just looks beyond stupid to any rational person.

Will I Amnt · 21-12-2011 07:50PM

K-9 wrote: »

There'll be a perception that he is racist, seen on here yesterday.

I would say that's a minority.
Any rational person on here seems to think he's not racist but capable of using a racist remark as a wind up.

DOC09UNAM · 21-12-2011 07:50PM

Some of the people blatantly defending him atte letting themselves down, we don't input the evidence and the fact he's been charged should show he obviously said something.

I doubt he's a racist tbh, just said the wrong thing and is being punished for it, time to move on.

scruff321 · 21-12-2011 07:50PM

killwill wrote: »

LOL you are saying you know better because you live in South America.
Silly arguement

I said i live in South America and also speak Spanish therefore i understand the arguement they're portraying, which you obviously dont understand. :rolleyes:

recyclops · 21-12-2011 07:51PM

Handsome Bob wrote: »

But this will tag him as a racist forever, he'll never escape it.

Then Liverpool should come out with statements saying that he was in the wrong with what he said and it was against character.

This will show both club and player(who admitted saying what he was charged of) in a far greater light. It would also at least push the fact he ain't racist without hammering it down our throat like they are now.

donfers · 21-12-2011 07:53PM

I expect Evra to be charged in the next few days, the case is far more clear-cut against him, if the FA don't charge him then they really have no credibility and will rightfully be humiliated and exposed as utter chancers and agenda-driven opportunists by Liverpool's legal team

K-9 · 21-12-2011 07:55PM

Blatter wrote: »

I understand that they want to make it brutally clear that Suarez isn't a racist, but do it separately and don't use it as a public defense against the FA charge because it just looks beyond stupid to any rational person.

The players are just giving him support, do you not see that? You seem to be taking particular offence at anything Lfc do in anyway in any regard in this case.

cambo2008 wrote: »

I would say that's a minority.
Any rational person on here seems to think he's not racist but capable of using a racist remark as a wind up.

Yeah on here, because they get challenged. You know what some morons can be like though?

opr · 21-12-2011 07:55PM

Blatter wrote: »

Do Liverpool genuinely not understand the fact you can be guilty of a racial slur without actually being a racist or are they being deliberately stupid?

They keep pushing the fact he's not a racist, as if it proves he didn't make a racial slur. Unreal.

You are dead right. Liverpool players should just come out and say they believe he racially abused Evra even if it is contrary to what they believe happened. I mean you know Suarez much better than any of them, his character, what he meant and if he intended a racial slur! How dare they come out in support of a teammate and friend. This whole thing and Liverpool's attitude is downright disgraceful!

Opr

Handsome Bob · 21-12-2011 07:57PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Awwww, poor him.

Try making the remark to someone at work, see how long you have a job for.

I could see this response coming from a mile away, good man.

Fuhrer · 21-12-2011 07:58PM

opr wrote: »

You are dead right. Liverpool players should just come out and say they believe he racially abused Evra even if it is contrary to what they believe happened. I mean you know Suarez much better than any of them, his character, what he meant and if he intended a racial slur! How dare they come out in support of a teammate and friend. This whole thing and Liverpool's attitude is downright disgraceful!

Opr

You think Ron Atkinson and ITV should have been as forceful in their denials that he was a racist as well?

Blatter · 21-12-2011 07:59PM

K-9 wrote: »

The players are just giving him support, do you not see that? You seem to be taking particular offence at anything Lfc do in anyway in any regard in this case.

I understand that the players and club want to support him, but there are proper ways to do that. It's irresponsible of them to be hammering home to their fans that Suaraz couldn't have made a racial slur because he's clearly not an actual racist.

I'm not deliberately taking offense to how LFC are handling this case, I just genuinely think they are handling it horrendously.

Chucky the tree · 21-12-2011 08:02PM

kryogen wrote: »

Where did I say it was?

Why is there always a deflection or an avoidance on some peoples part?

You address nothing of whats said in the post, you ask me a random question which has nothing to do with it, of which I have not made a comment about

Why?

Deflection and avoidance like what people are doing in the case of Evra. Why haven't you been outspoken about Evra and asked for him to be banned? I didn't really have anything to address in the post but I wanted you to ask the question so I simply replied to the last thing you said.

Blatter · 21-12-2011 08:04PM

opr wrote: »

You are dead right. Liverpool players should just come out and say they believe he racially abused Evra even if it is contrary to what they believe happened. I mean you know Suarez much better than any of them, his character, what he meant and if he intended a racial slur! How dare they come out in support of a teammate and friend. This whole thing and Liverpool's attitude is downright disgraceful!

Opr

Opr, as I've just said, it's understandable that they want to support him but there are ways of doing it and they are not doing it the correct way imo.

They could have just illustrated how he wasn't an actual racist, no need to use it as if it proves the defense against his FA charge.

They are essentially saying that he couldn't have made a racial slur because he's not a racist, which is ridiculous and irresponsible.

K-9 · 21-12-2011 08:04PM

Blatter wrote: »

I understand that the players and club want to support him, but there are proper ways to do that. It's irresponsible of them to be hammering home to their fans that Suaraz couldn't have made a racial slur because he's clearly not an actual racist.

I'm not deliberately taking offense to how LFC are handling this case, I just genuinely think they are handling it horrendously.

There's a surprise.

Where did they say he couldn't have made a racial slur? You wouldn't be reading between the lines and not the actual words?

Its a pretty short and sweet statement so you wont have much bother pointing out the parts you feel are irresponsible:

Luis Suarez is our teammate and our friend and as a group of players we are shocked and angered that he has been found guilty by the FA.
We totally support Luis and we want the world to know that. We know he is not racist.
We are a squad of many different nationalities and backgrounds. All of us support the Club's commitment to fighting racism. All of us accept there is no place in the game for any form of discrimination. As a group of players we totally support the Kick it Out Campaign.
We have lived, trained and played with Luis for almost 12 months and we don't recognise the way he has been portrayed. We will continue to support Luis through this difficult period, and as a popular and respected friend of all his teammates, he will not walk alone.

kryogen · 21-12-2011 08:06PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Deflection and avoidance like what people are doing in the case of Evra. Why haven't you been outspoken about Evra and asked for him to be banned? I didn't really have anything to address in the post but I wanted you to ask the question so I simply replied to the last thing you said.

You can look through the posts yourself to see my opinion on Evra.

Not many people avoiding talking about what should happen to Evra if he made any reference to Suarez regarding race/birthplace actually

eagle eye · 21-12-2011 08:08PM

K-9 wrote: »

There's a surprise.

Where did they say he couldn't have made a racial slur? You wouldn't be reading between the lines and not the actual words?

Its a pretty short and sweet statement so you wont have much bother pointing out the parts you feel are irresponsible:

Its actually funny how somebody comes up with a pile of garbage that has no basis whatsoever based on what they claim they read.

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