Petition to privatise Thatcher's funeral

ejmaztec · 21-12-2011 06:00PM

Batsy wrote: »

That's Ireland, though. Thatcher was the PM of the United Kingdom. It's usually rare for a hated person in the UK to win three elections on the trot.

She only got elected three times because the Labour Party came up with lousiest leadership-candidates in history, and even then less than half the voters voted for her.

Nodin · 21-12-2011 06:00PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

George Bush won two, got the US into a war based on lies, will have cost the US trillions of dollars and tens of thousands of lives by the time the dust settles.

Majorities don't always make good decisions.

.....Thatcher wasn't elected by a majority.

InTheTrees · 21-12-2011 06:02PM

Remember "Spitting Image"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jINZBOxdja8

lawhec · 21-12-2011 06:02PM

Batsy wrote: »

The English as a whole couldn't have hated her, otherwise she wouldn't have won three general elections.

She's on a par with Tony Blair then.

21-12-2011 06:03PM

lawhec wrote: »

She's on a par with Tony Blair then.

Tony blair is a saint and a scholar compared to Thatcher.

InTheTrees · 21-12-2011 06:04PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

She only got elected three times because the Labour Party came up with lousiest leadership-candidates in history, and even then less than half the voters voted for her.

Thats right, Michael Foot wasnt it?

And the Falklands war won her an election as well. The "Falklands factor" they called it at the time I believe, she really would have lost that one without it.

who the fug · 21-12-2011 06:04PM

Nodin wrote: »

.....getting, as a best ever result, the support of 42% of the electorate. What a resounding fucking mandate.

Blair got 43.2% in 1997 , that was a mandate for constitutional reform

Minstrel27 · 21-12-2011 06:05PM

Batsy wrote: »

The English didn't hate her. If they did she wouldn't have won three general elections.

I best tell those I know from England that despise her the news. "You're not English"

Zebra3 · 21-12-2011 06:06PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

George Bush won two,

Nope, he only won in 2004.

2000 election was stolen.

who the fug · 21-12-2011 06:07PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

She only got elected three times because the Labour Party came up with lousiest leadership-candidates in history, and even then less than half the voters voted for her.

To blame the leaders is not quiet right, the whole labour party/ movement had a collective brain fart in the eighties.

Wattle · 21-12-2011 06:07PM

Seanchai wrote: »

Or the Malvinas.

Viva las Malvinas.

Nodin · 21-12-2011 06:07PM

who the fug wrote: »

Blair got 43.2% in 1997 , that was a mandate for constitutional reform

.....don't follow ye, tbh.

Seanchai · 21-12-2011 06:09PM

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Tony blair is a saint and a scholar compared to Thatcher.

And Blair, lest we forget, in the GFA did something positive for Ireland with regard to Ireland's British problem. This doesn't negate his record as a liar, a murderer and a stooge of Bush.

For Ireland, Thatcher, on the other hand, did nothing positive - she had to be forced into signing the Anglo-Irish Agreement in 1985, primarily by her "friend" Ronald Reagan and her senior civil servants.

who the fug · 21-12-2011 06:10PM

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Tony blair is a saint and a scholar compared to Thatcher.

No, there were some really nasty legislation put on the books with Blair, Maggie was prepared to defend the PTA once a year in Westminster Blair just put it on the books

later12 · 21-12-2011 06:10PM

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

And we allowed American jets to land in Shannon, on their way to murdering women and children in Iraq. I like how you people single out your hatrid for no reason.

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

I just don't know why Irish people have such hatrid for us. Look at the situation Bertie et al have us in now, and we're all f**king lethargic about it.

Do you know what a tu quoque argument is?

Just because we're wrong on something, or just because other leaders might be worse than Thatcher, doesn't mean she was any less wrong.

ejmaztec · 21-12-2011 06:10PM

I somehow don't think that Batsy was in the UK when Thatcher was running the show, and if he was he must have been living as a recluse somewhere, completely cut-off from anything that was happening at the time.

who the fug · 21-12-2011 06:12PM

Nodin wrote: »

.....don't follow ye, tbh.

House of Lords emasculation, without being replaced with a suitable substitute

Batsy · 21-12-2011 06:15PM

Fear Uladh wrote: »

The highest she ever got was 42%, not exactly setting England alight.

Thatcher was not the Prime Minister of England. She was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

The highest she ever got in an election was 43.9%, in the 1979 General Election which brought her to power.

However, the 1983 General Election saw her get 42.4% of the vote, well ahead of second-placed Labour, led by Michael Foot, which got just 27.6% of the vote. This gave Thatcher an absolute landslide of a victory and the biggest win of any British political party in a General Election since Labour in 1945.

Although this was an easy victory for Thatcher. The British people had a choice between Margaret Thatcher, whose decision to take military action against the Argies the previous year led to the Falkland Islanders being liberated, or Labour's Michael Foot, the idiot who thought it was wise to attend the 1981 Remembrance Sunday commemorations wearing a donkey jacket. The British people went very much for the former.

Nodin · 21-12-2011 06:15PM

who the fug wrote: »

House of Lords emasculation, without being replaced with a suitable substitute

.....indeed. Though at one stage he was trying to make it a Tonys Cronies club, if I recall, swapping the rotten apples for mouldy pears.

ejmaztec · 21-12-2011 06:16PM

who the fug wrote: »

To blame the leaders is not quiet right, the whole labour party/ movement had a collective brain fart in the eighties.

Undoubtedly it was the farts who chose the leaders as if they had a death-wish.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 21-12-2011 06:16PM

Batsy wrote: »

The English didn't hate her. If they did she wouldn't have won three general elections.

Well, everyone north of Luton, then.

Batsy · 21-12-2011 06:17PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

She only got elected three times because the Labour Party came up with lousiest leadership-candidates in history, and even then less than half the voters voted for her.

I think the main reason she won in 1983 was because of the Falklands War. It may seem hard to believe but that conflict propelled Thatcher to a huge lead over any other leader in the polls. She was immensely popular because of that conflict.

A main policy of the Labour Party at the time was to get Britain to leave what was then the EEC. But they still couldn't win. Although that was probably a lot to do with their policy of wanting to abandon the United Kingdom's nuclear deterrent by cancelling Trident and removing cruise missiles — a policy programme dubbed by Labour MP Gerald Kaufman as "the longest suicide note in history."

Nodin · 21-12-2011 06:18PM

Batsy wrote: »

...... The British people went very much for the former.

...well...42% of them did.

Fratton Fred · 21-12-2011 06:21PM

Seanchai wrote: »

Yeah, but you're a British nationalist of the most rightwing John Bull type so that's not surprising in fairness.

She should be dragged in front of a war crimes tribunal for many things, such as authorising a shoot-to-kill policy against the native Irish forces of resistance in the occupied Six Counties (John Stalker, anybody?), supporting and arming the Indonesian genocide of the East Timorese, fully supporting the apartheid régime in South Africa (members of which gave her Tory Party millions in funding around the time she referred to Mandela as a "terrorist"), supporting child-murdering dictators like Pinochet while lecturing others about "terrorism" and "human rights", and so much else.

Only the most backward, blinkered and undereducated British nationalist could admire this murdering hypocritical wench.

Native Irish force of resistance in the occupied six counties... Says it all really.

I love threads about Thatcher, it has to be the ultimate Troll thread. Most of the people here who hate her weren't even born when she was in power, its just trendy to hate Thatcher.

When she got in btw, the UK's economy made the current Irish predicament look like minor. The country was going bust, was under the boot of the unions and the IMF were knocking on the door.

I hated her, but she saved the country and whilst not always fair, she was strong willed and pushed through her plans. Ask Ian Paisley what he thought of the Anglo Irish agreement.

But, ultimately, she let Bobby Sands die and as he is thought of as the Republican Baby Jesus, she has to be hated.

ejmaztec · 21-12-2011 06:23PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Well, everyone north of Luton, then.

Apart from one bloke in Bolton.:(

sensibleken · 21-12-2011 06:24PM

creating fat kids by privatising school meals
the falklands
unemployment doubled
mass homlessness
vat hiking from 8 to 17.5%
northern ireland
rich/poor divide increases

but at least she made the trains run on time......oh wait

Nodin · 21-12-2011 06:26PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

......, its just trendy to hate Thatcher.

........

Since 1979.

Nothing to do with her policies of course. Everyone was for section 28, cosying up to pinochet, reagan etc.

InTheTrees · 21-12-2011 06:27PM

Batsy wrote: »

I think the main reason she won in 1983 was because of the Falklands War. It may seem hard to believe but that conflict propelled Thatcher to a huge lead of any other leader in the polls. She was immensely popular.

That was an interesting time. On the one hand the Labour party was dithering and saying there should be a negotiated treaty with the argies and on the other hand thatcher got the fleet assembled and executed a daring rescue mission.

The wave of patriotism that followed easily won her the next election. That the labour party completely dropped the ball obviously helped her a lot too.

Batsy · 21-12-2011 06:29PM

and even then less than half the voters voted for her.

That happens to almost every victor in a British General Election. It is very rare that a party which wins a British General Election gets over 50% of the vote. So the fact that less than half of voters voted for Thatcher is irrelevant. When Blair won by a landslide in 1997 he got 43.2% of the votes.

ejmaztec · 21-12-2011 06:29PM

Batsy wrote: »

I think the main reason she won in 1983 was because of the Falklands War. It may seem hard to believe but that conflict propelled Thatcher to a huge lead over any other leader in the polls. She was immensely popular because of that conflict.

A main policy of the Labour Party at the time was to get Britain to leave what was then the EEC. But they still couldn't win. Although that was probably a lot to do with their policy of wanting to abandon the United Kingdom's nuclear deterrent by cancelling Trident and removing cruise missiles — a policy programme dubbed by Labour MP Gerald Kaufman as "the longest suicide note in history."

Had Michael Foot kept his trap shut about the nuclear issue before the election, even he would have stood a better chance, but Foot had to shoot himself in the foot, and that was another election down the crapper.

Of course Maggie can also be thanked for the UK's dependance on its financial services industry because she made it possible for international corporate asset-strippers to remove huge chunks of the UK's manufacturing industries.

Petition to privatise Thatcher's funeral

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