Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

niallo27 · 21-12-2011 12:06PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Anyone else having problems with the thread?

Mine keeps freezing the way the superthreads freeze sometimes

I think it got too big.

mike65 · 21-12-2011 12:07PM

Yep the total thread page count for me is 126 but we are on 122. PHB has broken this thread when he tried to merge posts from the Liverpool thread (and maybe the Utd thread, I don't look in there much) :pac:

Big Pussy Bonpensiero · 21-12-2011 12:09PM

MaceFace wrote: »

This thread just exemplifies the crap side of the internet.
Everyone has an opinion but they put it out there like it is fact.

I don't know how many times I have heard people say Suarez admitted he said something and not be able to back it up.

Can anyone on this thread say for certain the words that Suarez said?
Can anyone say what Suarez said in the hearing?

The only thing I know is that Suarez admitted he said something that Evra's teammates call him.
No one else heard what was said and Suarez still got an 8 game ban. Either Suarez admitted that he said something that he should not of, or the panel used a much lower standard than many would have expected to find guilt.

Anyone who says he deserves an eight game ban and can't explain what was said is obviously biased.

How can you come to that conclusion without any proof of your own? The FA had full access to all evidence, along with testitomy from both sides, and held a full inquiry, yet you and the rest of the Liverpool fans are disputing the verdict despite not knowing even half the evidence? Not only that but ye ridicule anyone who dares to say Suarez deserves his 8 match ban, which, apparently, he did.

K-9 · 21-12-2011 12:13PM

JimsAlterEgo wrote: »

I guess so did the FA panel that found him guilty. Wouldnt be the first time in this saga that Liverpools statement was inaccurate.

So people keep saying but they can't produce any evidence of Liverpool changing their statement. It's just stirring nonsense.

Suarez's past history wont have been taken into account, nor Evra's previous suspect evidence. It'll have been based on this incident and rightly so.

Sappy404 · 21-12-2011 12:13PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

so it terry is cleared, liverpool fans will go mad just for the sake of it, even though he could actually be innocent.

before this happens, can liverpool fans justify why he should be banned besides just for the sake of it, cos suarez was?

As a Liverpool fan (not that it should matter - Liverpool fans aren't on trial), I consider him innocent until proven guilty.

There's more than one piece of video evidence in the Terry case, mind, as opposed to Evra's word and nothing else in the Suarez case (assuming that Liverpool statement wasn't inaccurate with respect to the available evidence).

Suarez could be innocent as well, you know. You haven't seen the evidence yourself. You're taking the FA's conviction at face value. Fair enough, I suppose, but will you make up your own mind when the facts are known, or continue to persecute Liverpool fans because of the guilty verdict?

K-9 · 21-12-2011 12:15PM

Threads stuck in a timewarp, can't read the last couple of pages!

21-12-2011 12:17PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

so it terry is cleared, liverpool fans will go mad just for the sake of it, even though he could actually be innocent.

before this happens, can liverpool fans justify why he should be banned besides just for the sake of it, cos suarez was?

There ya go with your generalisations again.

Do YOU think terry should be banned if he called Ferdinand a black bástard??

21-12-2011 12:21PM

K-9 wrote: »

Threads stuck in a timewarp, can't read the last couple of pages!

Me too

Superthread issue I think

K-9 · 21-12-2011 12:22PM

Apparently the FA are a well respected and honourable bunch going on this thread. This would be the same FA that banned Rooney and people were going mad at, yet suddenly their judgment is to be trusted.

21-12-2011 12:27PM

K-9 wrote: »

Apparently the FA are a well respected and honourable bunch going on this thread. This would be the same FA that banned Rooney and people were going mad at, yet suddenly their judgment is to be trusted.

The same FA that are biased against Utd according to some

The FA are never consistant with anything they do, always been that way imo.

Consistantly unconsistant I guess.

homerjay2005 · 21-12-2011 12:28PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Do YOU think terry should be banned if he called Ferdinand a black bástard??

of course he should. 100% and i hope its more than 8 games.

the key here, is whether he did or not. hopefully, the correct decision will come out. unless its guilty, i dont think liverpool fans will accept it, do you?

mike65 · 21-12-2011 12:31PM

mike65 wrote: »

Hell we should be welcoming this ban! :pac:

Every black cloud has a silver lining etc

Junior Hoilett is a good shout from earlier mind you whether Suarez would want him in the side is another matter....

This post makes even less sense here than it did in the Liverpool thread.

mayordenis · 21-12-2011 12:32PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

of course he should. 100% and i hope its more than 8 games.

the key here, is whether he did or not. hopefully, the correct decision will come out. unless its guilty, i dont think liverpool fans will accept it, do you?

Will you please stop this little inquisition, it's pitiful, my opinion on Luis' case will have no bearing on my opinion on the Terry case or vice versa.

What is important though in both cases is that there is no reasonable doubt and there is ample evidence to 100% prove guilt, otherwise you're just having a panel decide they feel he may have done it.

They may very well have some proof that the public has not seen however there will be a sense of injustice until it is made clear to all. I would hope that you won't just turn on your own player if 3 randomers just say he is guilty.

Sappy404 · 21-12-2011 12:32PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

rarnes1 wrote: »

Do YOU think terry should be banned if he called Ferdinand a black bástard??

of course he should. 100% and i hope its more than 8 games.

the key here, is whether he did or not. hopefully, the correct decision will come out. unless its guilty, i dont think liverpool fans will accept it, do you?

Will you accept it?

SlickRic · 21-12-2011 12:33PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i dont think liverpool fans will accept it, do you?

i doubt it.

considering there's video evidence of Terry mouthing it, that was given to the police according to the Guardian.

Terry is pleading, from what i can gather, that it's been taken out of context. if Suarez's defence was deemed thin by some, that has got to be on the same, if not thinner, ground.

killwill · 21-12-2011 12:34PM

Sappy404 wrote: »

As a Liverpool fan (not that it should matter - Liverpool fans aren't on trial), I consider him innocent until proven guilty.

There's more than one piece of video evidence in the Terry case, mind, as opposed to Evra's word and nothing else in the Suarez case (assuming that Liverpool statement wasn't inaccurate with respect to the available evidence).

Suarez could be innocent as well, you know. You haven't seen the evidence yourself. You're taking the FA's conviction at face value. Fair enough, I suppose, but will you make up your own mind when the facts are known, or continue to persecute Liverpool fans because of the guilty verdict?

Not accordingto the FA which is what counts.
There is no point specualting either way until the findings are published.

homerjay2005 · 21-12-2011 12:34PM

K-9 wrote: »

Apparently the FA are a well respected and honourable bunch going on this thread. This would be the same FA that banned Rooney and people were going mad at, yet suddenly their judgment is to be trusted.

theres a huge amount of irony in your posts. it was the liverpool fans who were willing to accept the fas punishment handed out to united over the years and getting away scot free themselves on many occasions. yet now, the fa are por united? united hate the fa, absolutely hate them. united get shafted 2 or 3 times a year and put up with it.

but sure tis grand, they are pro united despite -

evra being banned for 5 games.
rio banned for 8 months.
cantona banned for 8 months.
and rio getting 3 games.
and rooney and scholes getting 3 games from amsterdam.
and rooneys ban v west ham
and fergie being banned for 7 games.

but sure, united get all the decisions.

killwill · 21-12-2011 12:36PM

SlickRic wrote: »

i doubt it.

considering there's video evidence of Terry mouthing it, that was given to the police according to the Guardian.

Terry is pleading, from what i can gather, that it's been taken out of context. if Suarez's defence was deemed thin by some, that has got to be on the same, if not thinner, ground.

According to the Terry defenders he is saying "I didn't call you a black c*nt" after a misunderstanding.
I personally have not seen this video so cannot really judge.

_blank_ · 21-12-2011 12:36PM

SlickRic wrote: »

i doubt it.

considering there's video evidence of Terry mouthing it, that was given to the police according to the Guardian.

Terry is pleading, from what i can gather, that it's been taken out of context. if Suarez's defence was deemed thin by some, that has got to be on the same, if not thinner, ground.

someone walks the picture in this "video evidence" so you cannot see the full extent of Terry's utterance.

If the CPS have other video, not yet in the public domain - it could be someone's HD Camera for all we know, that shows Terry's version - "Oi Anton, I didn't call you a black cúnt" - is true, then he can't be charged.

How can he? By either the police, or the FA?

mayordenis · 21-12-2011 12:37PM

You have no idea what irony is, and you have no interest in a discussion, I don't know why I thought you or a few others would, but I did, ah well.

21-12-2011 12:37PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

of course he should. 100% and i hope its more than 8 games.

the key here, is whether he did or not. hopefully, the correct decision will come out. unless its guilty, i dont think liverpool fans will accept it, do you?

I'm a Liverpool fan.

If Terry is innocent and is proved to be, I'll accept it.

When the report of the Suarez case comes out and if he is proved without a doubt to have racially abused Evra intently I'll accept that too.

homerjay2005 · 21-12-2011 12:40PM

Sappy404 wrote: »

Will you accept it?

yes of course, if innocent then i trust the CPS of the UK and they will find him innocent. if guilty, then that is a different matter and i will of course accept it.

there has been several references already by liverpool fans here about terry and how he has to be found guilty....

and these, are 2 different incidents, one involves the police and the other, was just an independant inquiry.

is it not the police that will make the decision here and then subsequently, the fa will act. if found guilty or innocent, the fa have to act accordingly.

MaceFace · 21-12-2011 12:40PM

JimsAlterEgo wrote: »

or you could accept that a 3 man independent comittee heard all of the evidence and deemed him guilty. I am sure they know what he said.

For many courts of justice I would normally agree, but when it comes to the FA, it really is a kangaroo court.
Dan Roan @BBC had a very good article yesterday (can't find link now) saying that this very well could be the FA making a statement to FIFA and Blatter and using Suarez as an excuse.
Only last week we had a number of managers complain about the disciplinary panel at the FA.
It is a joke and until there is a clear report on the situation, the judgement won't be accepted.
It's a farce that it took so long to make a judgement and it is a farce that none of the evidence has been made public.

THFC wrote: »

How can you come to that conclusion without any proof of your own? The FA had full access to all evidence, along with testitomy from both sides, and held a full inquiry, yet you and the rest of the Liverpool fans are disputing the verdict despite not knowing even half the evidence? Not only that but ye ridicule anyone who dares to say Suarez deserves his 8 match ban, which, apparently, he did.

Excuse me, but
1. What makes you think I am a Liverpool fan? Is it a case that if you are skeptical about a judgement from the FA you must support Liverpool?
2. It is not just Liverpool fans disputing the judgement. I think everyone wants to know what evidence there was. From the statement from Liverpool last night, it appears the only evidence was Evras word.
3. Yes - I do ridicule anyone who says he deserves an 8 game ban and can not explain why. Since when has the FA come to represent fair and honesty?

Can ANYONE explain exactly what Suarez said?

...

Didn't think so!

K-9 · 21-12-2011 12:41PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

theres a huge amount of irony in your posts. it was the liverpool fans who were willing to accept the fas punishment handed out to united over the years and getting away scot free themselves on many occasions. yet now, the fa are por united? united hate the fa, absolutely hate them. united get shafted 2 or 3 times a year and put up with it.

but sure tis grand, they are pro united despite -

evra being banned for 5 games.
rio banned for 8 months.
cantona banned for 8 months.
and rio getting 3 games.
and rooney and scholes getting 3 games from amsterdam.
and rooneys ban v west ham
and fergie being banned for 7 games.

but sure, united get all the decisions.

I never mentioned any other cases, just Rooney, no need for the persecution complex so. The vast, vast majority of fans of all clubs seen the Rooney case as stupid and the FA going way OTT, the exact same organisation who 7/8 months later make an example of Suarez.

Its a bit like a few pointing to Suarez's history but Liverpool aren't supposed to mention Evra's suspect evidence to the FA.

21-12-2011 12:42PM

Suarez has two charges right?(below)

Does the first charge mean any insulting words? This would be ridiculous if every player was charged with insulting language.

If so, this is where the FA have left it open for appeal imo. I'd expect Liverpool to win that part of the appeal easily and reduce the ban.

The 2nd bit will stick unless it's overturned by another body which is probably unlikely.

1. Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1);
2. the insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour within the meaning of Rule E3(2);

parker kent · 21-12-2011 12:45PM

K-9 wrote: »

Its a bit like a few pointing to Suarez's history but Liverpool aren't supposed to mention Evra's suspect evidence to the FA.

You could at least say why people get annoyed at references to Evra's alleged suspect past. He did not make any previous claims. The Chelsea incident is one such example where others claimed they heard it directed towards him and Evra actually told the FA he did not here any racist language. The Steve Finnan incident came from somebody lip reading it on TV. Again Evra made no claims.

This thread is doomed to continue in circles if people wilfully ignore things said countless times.

Leiva · 21-12-2011 12:45PM

killwill wrote: »

According to the Terry defenders he is saying "I didn't call you a black c*nt" after a misunderstanding.
I personally have not seen this video so cannot really judge.

But surely then Anton's side of the story should have put that to bed instantly ??

homerjay2005 · 21-12-2011 12:46PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

I'm a Liverpool fan.

If Terry is innocent and is proved to be, I'll accept it.

please point out where i actually singled you out? if terry is found innocent, this place will implode this afternoon.

rarnes1 wrote: »

When the report of the Suarez case comes out and if he is proved without a doubt to have racially abused Evra intently I'll accept that too.

who says a report will come out and why does it need to? this has been going on 2 months, he was charged and then banned as a result. what it looks like is this will never be accepted by most liverpool fans and suarez will never be lashed for it.

sounds like your doing everythign possible to avoid condemning him.Evra is the only person being slammed.

Paparazzo · 21-12-2011 12:48PM

How much of this Suarez ban is the FA giving the 2 fingers to Sepp Blatter by telling him "we take racism more serious than your out of date views"?

Leiva · 21-12-2011 12:48PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

I'm a Liverpool fan.

If Terry is innocent and is proved to be, I'll accept it.

When the report of the Suarez case comes out and if he is proved without a doubt to have racially abused Evra intently I'll accept that too.

Really can someone please give me an explanation why the evidence wasn't released with the verdict ??

Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

Comments