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NabyLadistheman · 21-12-2011 12:50AM

How come the police have not been involved? Surely if the FA have found him guilty their will be a Police investigation similar to the Terry case. Oh that's right there is no proof so the police would not actually be able to do anything.

Seems to me that the FA have issued the suspension on Suarez's own testimony. Had he denied he said anything he would probably have been ok. Doesn't seem right to me

killwill · 21-12-2011 12:50AM

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

The 2008 racism accusations between Evra and Chelsea's groundstaff when this same FA said about that case - "we find Mr. Evra's account exaggerated and unreliable".

Go figure, eh? And now it appears they've convicted Suarez on his word alone. :pac:

The FA are a right bunch of you know whats.

Evra never made that accusation. In fact Evra claimed he never heard any racist remarks. Shame on you

dreamers75 · 21-12-2011 12:50AM

anirishlad wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16262537.stm

Probably the most revered figure in the history of Uruguayan football is Obdulio Varela, captain of the side that won the World Cup in 1950. His nickname was "El Negro Jefe" - the black boss.

Among Suarez's team-mates these days is Maxi Pereira, who is known as "El Mono" - the monkey. It is a nickname which, apparently, is given and accepted with no offence meant or taken. It appears to be used in the same spirit that Alvaro Fernandez is called "El Flaco", which means skinny.

Looks like suarez was just so used to using the word in a non-offensive way to black people in uruguay that it just came out naturally.

K-9 · 21-12-2011 12:50AM

Technique wrote: »

Where's the Liverpool fans' famous sense of humour?

Keep trying, its rather cute.

K-9 · 21-12-2011 12:52AM

killwill wrote: »

Evra never made that accusation. In fact Evra claimed he never heard any racist remarks. Shame on you

That has nothing to do with the FA saying they found his account exaggerated and unreliable. They found his evidence suspect.

Did he appeal it?

tommyhaas · 21-12-2011 12:53AM

Ordinary man wrote: »

No, people are automatically jumping to suarez's defence and still trying to blame evra for it. The liverpool club statement was a disgusting bile filled load of rubbish. I initially felt it was too harsh a punishment based on the earlier discussions here but after reading the clubs official statement i hope he appeals and gets a further 10 games on top of what he got.

Oh I'm sure you do. Look, I'm not going to argue with you because frankly, there's little point

Fuhrer · 21-12-2011 12:53AM

anirishlad wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16262537.stm

Probably the most revered figure in the history of Uruguayan football is Obdulio Varela, captain of the side that won the World Cup in 1950. His nickname was "El Negro Jefe" - the black boss.

Among Suarez's team-mates these days is Maxi Pereira, who is known as "El Mono" - the monkey. It is a nickname which, apparently, is given and accepted with no offence meant or taken. It appears to be used in the same spirit that Alvaro Fernandez is called "El Flaco", which means skinny.

Looks like suarez was just so used to using the word in a non-offensive way to black people in uruguay that it just came out naturally.

A nickname from the 50's and a white guy...

kryogen · 21-12-2011 12:53AM

K-9 wrote: »

He has a right to appeal or do you have an issue with that?

nope, none whatsoever, lower the hostility, you asked a guy why kenny was being a hypocrite, i gave you an example as to why people will say he is a hypocrite.

killwill · 21-12-2011 12:54AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

It is however making reference to nationality/ethnicity, which is the same as race in the FA's rules.

I suggest you tweet Suarez and get him to use that in his appeal.

magma69 · 21-12-2011 12:56AM

Will have to wait for all the details to come out before judging.

Regardless of Suarez's intent, it was stupid to use any word which could be seen as any way racist.

killwill · 21-12-2011 12:56AM

K-9 wrote: »

That has nothing to do with the FA saying they found his account exaggerated and unreliable. They found his evidence suspect.

Did he appeal it?

He had no reason to appeal.
When will the findings be published?

K-9 · 21-12-2011 12:57AM

kryogen wrote: »

nope, none whatsoever, lower the hostility, you asked a guy why kenny was being a hypocrite, i gave you an example as to why people will say he is a hypocrite.

No hostility whatsoever, just pointing out facts and logic, loads of people on the internet take exception to that and see it as hostility. Its a good yardstick for a poster.

The case isn't over until Suarez appeals. If Suarez doesn't appeal obviously he accepts the charges.

parker kent · 21-12-2011 12:57AM

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Seems to me that the FA have issued the suspension on Suarez's own testimony. Had he denied he said anything he would probably have been ok. Doesn't seem right to me

Surely that is exactly right? If I murdered somebody and admitted it, I'd expect to be punished.

K-9 · 21-12-2011 12:58AM

killwill wrote: »

He had no reason to appeal.
When will the findings be published?

He didn't appeal such a damning statement about his evidence?
Up to him I suppose. I see what you mean though. You'd think there would be some comeback against such a damning statement.

Doesn't say how long. I'm wondering how long an appeal takes.

Blatter · 21-12-2011 01:01AM

A thing that I also take from the Liverpool statement, is that even though they were ferocious in their backing of Suarez, why didn't they make it clear that they would be appealing?

If they feel the charge is so frivolous and a guilty verdict has been brought about by insufficient evidence, why not make it clear that they will be appealing? Why the need to think about it?

TheTownie · 21-12-2011 01:01AM

parker kent wrote: »

Surely that is exactly right? If I murdered somebody and admitted it, I'd expect to be punished.

Would you not argue murder is an acceptable cultural activity in your home country? (assuming the murder took place in a country other than your home one) :pac:

kryogen · 21-12-2011 01:03AM

K-9 wrote: »

No hostility whatsoever, just pointing out facts and logic, loads of people on the internet take exception to that and see it as hostility. Its a good yardstick for a poster.

The case isn't over until Suarez appeals. If Suarez doesn't appeal obviously he accepts the charges.

apologies for getting the wrong end of the (yard)stick so

Thought you were having a pop cause I was simply pointing out what Kenny had said. Pointing out facts and showing logic behind a claim as it were

Jesus Wept · 21-12-2011 01:03AM

parker kent wrote: »

Surely that is exactly right? If I murdered somebody and admitted it, I'd expect to be punished.

They'd still require evidence.

Mr Alan · 21-12-2011 01:04AM

Ah, this makes a little more sense now;

http://www.kickitout.org/news.php/news_id/5328

flahavaj · 21-12-2011 01:04AM

Blatter wrote: »

A thing that I also take from the Liverpool statement, is that even though they were ferocious in their backing of Suarez, why didn't they make it clear that they would be appealing?

If they feel the charge is so frivolous and a guilty verdict has been brought about by insufficient evidence, why not make it clear that they will be appealing? Why the need to think about it?

You're making the fatal error of assuming that whoever wrote that statement wasn't a frothing-at-the-mouth maniac, which clearly they were. I will laugh at it for years, it is glorious.

Jesus Wept · 21-12-2011 01:05AM

Blatter wrote: »

A thing that I also take from the Liverpool statement, is that even though they were ferocious in their backing of Suarez, why didn't they make it clear that they would be appealing?

If they feel the charge is so frivolous and a guilty verdict has been brought about by insufficient evidence, why not make it clear that they will be appealing? Why the need to think about it?

Why not take it to a proper authority?

YouTookMyName · 21-12-2011 01:05AM

kryogen · 21-12-2011 01:05AM

Blatter wrote: »

A thing that I also take from the Liverpool statement, is that even though they were ferocious in their backing of Suarez, why didn't they make it clear that they would be appealing?

If they feel the charge is so frivolous and a guilty verdict has been brought about by insufficient evidence, why not make it clear that they will be appealing? Why the need to think about it?

Two words

Wiggle Room

Mr Alan · 21-12-2011 01:06AM

flahavaj wrote: »

You're making the fatal error of assuming that whoever wrote that statement wasn't a frothing-at-the-mouth maniac, which clearly they were. I will laugh at it for years, it is glorious.

Actually, the decision can't be appealed as far as I know.

Only the punishment.

Any appeal or further action is likely to be through the courts I'd guess.

K-9 · 21-12-2011 01:07AM

kryogen wrote: »

apologies for getting the wrong end of the (yard)stick so

Thought you were having a pop cause I was simply pointing out what Kenny had said. Pointing out facts and showing logic behind a claim as it were

And I'm pointing out Suarez has a right to appeal, even the FA admit that so the case isn't over. I'm assuming the club has a little more information than us posters on Boards too!

flahavaj · 21-12-2011 01:07AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Ah, this makes a little more sense now;

http://www.kickitout.org/news.php/news_id/5328

Phew, someone to blame aside from the player himself. Great relief for ye no doubt.

TheTownie · 21-12-2011 01:09AM

Blatter wrote: »

A thing that I also take from the Liverpool statement, is that even though they were ferocious in their backing of Suarez, why didn't they make it clear that they would be appealing?

If they feel the charge is so frivolous and a guilty verdict has been brought about by insufficient evidence, why not make it clear that they will be appealing? Why the need to think about it?

Probably because the FA spent so much time considering all the legal routes that could ensue, that they feel the need to do the same.

You can feel aggrieved all you like but finding the legal grounding on which to apply that aggravation isn't straight forward.

K-9 · 21-12-2011 01:09AM

flahavaj wrote: »

You're making the fatal error of assuming that whoever wrote that statement wasn't a frothing-at-the-mouth maniac, which clearly they were. I will laugh at it for years, it is glorious.

Good unbiased analysis there Flah. Nearly Muppet like!

Ordinary man · 21-12-2011 01:09AM

flahavaj wrote: »

Phew, someone to blame aside from the player himself. Great relief for ye no doubt.

Another one for the list of people who got suarez banned. Maybe if he stfu and learned that his job was to score goals instead of winding people up he might actually have hit double figures this year.;)

kryogen · 21-12-2011 01:09AM

flahavaj wrote: »

Phew, someone to blame aside from the player himself. Great relief for ye no doubt.

What link are you reading?

Dont exactly see it as absolving Suarez of blame

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