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Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    amiable wrote: »
    Lets not forget the charge hanging over him for the Fulham incident

    If we don't appeal it, they'll make sure to add on a few games for the above, they wouldn't want Luis returning to play against Man U in his first game back now would they.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭Hannibal


    scandalous to the point of being hillarious. The club should and will appeal this through to the High Court and Suarez should sue to clear his name.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    Looking forward to hearing some evidence that shows that he was been racist rather than just being a dickhead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 814 ✭✭✭Tesco Massacre


    I don't care much about the length of the ban, but it's vindication for Evra anyway.

    Dalglish quote from a few weeks' ago:
    "Whoever is the guilty party - the person who said it or the accuser - [should] get their due punishment."

    I assume Liverpool will administer some punishment of their own as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    amiable wrote: »
    Lets not forget the charge hanging over him for the Fulham incident

    On our current luck thats another 3 match ban.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    Will the FA publish their findings? Otherwise their basis is he said/he said on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Will it ?

    Evra was never charged.
    5starpool wrote: »
    Nothing as Evra was not charged with anything, whether that is two faced or not.

    That's kind of my point tbh.

    4 game ban for general abuse, doubled cause their was reference to race. Albeit in response to Evra bringing ethnicity into it.

    One can only assume there'll be more to it than has appeared in the press cause as it stands with the information in the public domain Evra & Suarez did the exact same thing, with Suarez getting an 8 game ban for his part.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,998 ✭✭✭grohlisagod


    eldwaro wrote: »
    ah well...maybe he'll cop on abit. still class player etc etc etc.

    now if anything good can come from this it's big andy coppin the hell on and stepping up...

    just think of it like this...he has to play now...he has to perform...

    fingers crossed

    At least he'll get a proper chance now. 4 or 5 games on the spin. If he takes the chance great, if he doesn't I say we cut or losses. I've been defending him all along as I think he's been brought in and out of the team too much.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭Brain Stroking


    Daemos wrote: »
    From a Liverpool point-of-view, I think the best thing to do would be to limit the damage. Accept the decision, no appeal, start the ban tomorrow, and then he can be back for the 2nd leg of the Carling Cup

    Gutted with the decision, seems overly harsh but if they maintain it for other incidents then I won't complain. Suarez was a fool, is being rightly punished, let's get it over with and get on with things as quickly as possible

    The bold bit. Would you equate racism with being foolish? I find it a lot more serious than that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭ilovelamp2000


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    That's kind of my point tbh.

    4 game ban for general abuse, doubled cause their was reference to race. Albeit in response to Evra bringing ethnicity into it.

    One can only assume there'll be more to it than has appeared in the press cause as it stands with the information in the public domain Evra & Suarez did the exact same thing, with Suarez getting an 8 game ban for his part.

    Somebody take the shovel from Alan.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 814 ✭✭✭Tesco Massacre


    It will be interesting to see what happens with JT on the back of this.

    For this or any future verdict to have any meaning then if he (JT) is found guilty then he must get as much nay more of a sanction as there would be no ambiguity with language barriers.

    Yeah, exactly.

    They've set a strong precedent with the ruling today, so I'll look forward to Terry getting at least 50 matches.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,097 ✭✭✭shadowcomplex


    He got off lightly if you ask me, he should have got the season


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    If he said it, he deserves the ban.

    What is it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,452 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    That's kind of my point tbh.

    4 game ban for general abuse, doubled cause their was reference to race. Albeit in response to Evra bringing ethnicity into it.

    One can only assume there'll be more to it than has appeared in the press cause as it stands with the information in the public domain Evra & Suarez did the exact same thing, with Suarez getting an 8 game ban for his part.
    To be fair, I did suspect as much and said as much to you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 217 ✭✭Cameron Poe


    Does anyone who is not a pool fan feel he's been unfairly treated?

    I doubt it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭Vanbis


    Derfil wrote: »
    8 match ban. Well deserved. Well done the English FA for stamping out racism.

    Its done anything but stamped out racism. The FA will now receive plenty more reports of racism from here on in i'm sure. I'm not saying Suarez doesn't deserve his 8 match ban. They obviously had enough evidence to find him guilty. He's a quality player but he will always have this hanging over him for a long time to come while playing in England.

    Not sure if he will be at L'pool in the summer, it depends on the reaction he receives from now until the end of the season but he might decide it would be better for him to move on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Somebody take the shovel from Alan.

    Read the rules Mr Legal Eagle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Delighted for Evra after all the crap he took with him being accused of being a liar and so on. Clearly there was something to this all along and those with the most information, with plenty of time to think it over, have come to their conclusion and given what I think is a strong and fair punishment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Hopefully it wont be reduced by much when appeals the length of the ban. Deserved more but admitting it has softened the sentence I feel.

    Liverpool releasing a statement criticizing the FA for finding him guilty is disgraceful


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    He has been found guilty of racial abuse and has been punished. I know you Liverpool fans are annoyed because you've lost an important player but give the FA a break. The FA should be applauded. Racism shouldn't be tolerated, said in a joking way or not.

    Blame Suarez for letting his team down for a significant chunk of the season.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,838 ✭✭✭✭3hn2givr7mx1sc


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    That's kind of my point tbh.

    4 game ban for general abuse, doubled cause their was reference to race. Albeit in response to Evra bringing ethnicity into it.

    One can only assume there'll be more to it than has appeared in the press cause as it stands with the information in the public domain Evra & Suarez did the exact same thing, with Suarez getting an 8 game ban for his part.

    General abuse?:confused:

    I'd imagine quite a large amount of "general abuse" is thrown around at corners/free-kicks/altercations where racism wasn't brought into it. If you banned one player for "general abuse" you'd be setting an extremely dangerous precedent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,655 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    i don't think anyone's feeling sympathy for Suarez by the way.

    all there is is Liverpool fans hoping that if the FA are doing this, that,

    1) they're consistent when it comes to the country's captain, and;
    2) they're very sure Suarez said and meant what he did, because he is now labelled a racist for a long time.

    i don't believe he's racist. many rival fans will probably choose to disagree. but he was stupid, and for being stupid and using racist terms, he deserves a punishment. end of.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭argosy2006


    At least he'll get a proper chance now. 4 or 5 games on the spin. If he takes the chance great, if he doesn't I say we cut or losses. I've been defending him all along as I think he's been brought in and out of the team too much.

    Way we play i think it will be Kuty and Gerrard leading line, maxi left downing right,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,998 ✭✭✭grohlisagod


    The-Rigger wrote: »
    What is it?

    Whatever racist remark he's adjudged to have said. I don't know exactly.


  • Subscribers Posts: 16,748 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    LFC Statement
    Liverpool Football Club is very surprised and disappointed with the decision of the Football Association Commission to find Luis Suarez guilty of the charges against him.

    We look forward to the publication of the Commission's Judgment.  We will study the detailed reasons of the Commission once they become available, but reserve our right to appeal or take any other course of action we feel appropriate with regards to this situation.

    We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no-one else on the field of play - including Evra's own Manchester United teammates and all the match officials - heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner kick was about to be taken.

    The Club takes extremely seriously the fight against all forms of discrimination and has a long and successful track record in work relating to anti-racist activity and social inclusion.  We remain committed to this ideal and equality for all, irrespective of a person's background.

    LFC considers racism in any form to be unacceptable - without compromise.  It is our strong held belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suarez did not commit any racist act.  It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.

    It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said 'I don't think that Luis Suarez is racist'.  The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suarez was not racist.

    Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black.  He has been personally involved since the 2010 World Cup in a charitable project which uses sport to encourage solidarity amongst people of different backgrounds with the central theme that the colour of a person's skin does not matter; they can all play together as a team.

    He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was Captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multi-cultural profile, many of whom became good friends.

    It seems incredible to us that a player of mixed heritage should be accused and found guilty in the way he has based on the evidence presented. We do not recognise the way in which Luis Suarez has been characterised.

    It appears to us that the FA were determined to bring charges against Luis Suarez, even before interviewing him at the beginning of November. Nothing we have heard in the course of the hearing has changed our view that Luis Suarez is innocent of the charges brought against him and we will provide Luis with whatever support he now needs to clear his name.

    We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suarez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms.  Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult.

    Author: Liverpool FC


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,267 ✭✭✭✭manual_man


    Well the pc bandwagon has gone off its rocker. Seems you cant say anything these days. Soon we'll all be fitted with muzzels. Bet theyre delighted. Led by fear, bunch of pu*sys


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭argosy2006


    He has been found guilty of racial abuse and has been punished. I know you Liverpool fans are annoyed because you've lost an important player but give the FA a break. The FA should be applauded. Racism shouldn't be tolerated, said in a joking way or not.

    Blame Suarez for letting his team down for a significant chunk of the season.
    I blame Roy Hodgson


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 473 ✭✭Sligored


    Daemos wrote: »
    From a Liverpool point-of-view, I think the best thing to do would be to limit the damage. Accept the decision, no appeal, start the ban tomorrow, and then he can be back for the 2nd leg of the Carling Cup

    Gutted with the decision, seems overly harsh but if they maintain it for other incidents then I won't complain. Suarez was a fool, is being rightly punished, let's get it over with and get on with things as quickly as possible

    add on the 3 game ban he will get for the gesture to the fulham fans and he will need a pre season to get fit again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,844 ✭✭✭carlcon


    Daemos wrote: »
    From a Liverpool point-of-view, I think the best thing to do would be to limit the damage. Accept the decision, no appeal, start the ban tomorrow, and then he can be back for the 2nd leg of the Carling Cup

    Gutted with the decision, seems overly harsh but if they maintain it for other incidents then I won't complain. Suarez was a fool, is being rightly punished, let's get it over with and get on with things as quickly as possible

    It's easy to get sucked in by fanboy idiots who blindly defend their players, sometimes making an entire fan base of a club look bad, so posts like this need to be acknowledged. Nice to see sensible folk on here.


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,944 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    That ban is a joke, i can understand that racism is serious and it warrants a hefty penalty but the joke is really the FA. Why one punishment for Suarez and probably different for other players, is a certain kind of racism more 'acceptable' than another? Mr. Carroll would want to start paying some of that transfer fee back and fairly lively.


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