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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Clareboy wrote: »
    All this running to funerals seems to be a particularly Irish thing. When you die in this country, you can be certain that there will be hundreds at your funeral, but most of those people would never visit you or give a damn about you in life. The whole funeral racket just shows up the Irish for the race of hypocrites that they are!
    Are they?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    It's not as if we can avoid them and every one of us will attend a family or friends funeral at some stage ,sadly some much more than others .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 174 ✭✭suzie987


    Another weird thing about funerals/deaths - people judge how entitled you are to grief! What I mean is people seem to be quick to say afterwards:-

    "Oh did you see 'whats-her-name', sure she barely knew 'so-and-so' and she didn't stop crying the whole time!"

    I hate this! Funerals are very emotive


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,943 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    suzie987 wrote: »
    Another weird thing about funerals/deaths - people judge how entitled you are to grief! What I mean is people seem to be quick to say afterwards:-

    "Oh did you see 'whats-her-name', sure she barely knew 'so-and-so' and she didn't stop crying the whole time!"

    I hate this! Funerals are very emotive

    flip the coin there...

    there's also the one who doesn't happen to be crying at the funeral, who may be emotionally drained and just can't cry anymore, and may crack a smile at something going on at the time

    "what the hell, why are they laughing, they should be in bits!!"

    had a chat with a girl over the weekend here in england, and for some reason we were talking about funerals. she said in 33 years of life she's never seen a dead person. i thought that was strange, but given the way that you're invited to funerals over here, it's not surprising.
    the support at an irish funeral, where people take time out (even if they're just showing their face) to turn up can be very comforting.
    inviting someone to a funeral just seems strange.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    guitarzero wrote: »
    I was wondering how people feel about them,.

    I love them. It's great craic when someone you know dies.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    I like how we do funerals. I've had a few family funerals and been really overwhelmed and grateful at the effort people will make to attend. When my Granddad died we had people drive straight from Cork to Donegal and back, for an hour, just to show their respect. And it really helps to see a concerned face and an open pair of arms when you need the support. And they can be very emotional affairs naturally, but crying is cathartic. I have wept for people I've never even met in the past :)

    I was at only one funeral in England and it was the oddest affair. Very few people there, no one in the slightest bit emotional, no talking about the deceased, all very detached, almost like a work thing. I think I'd rather have people wailing in the aisles at mine in contrast :D

    But I don't really like the shaking hands thing - when you see a few hundred people stand up to march past a crying family, it just seems like too much to ask of them, especially when you know half the family won't have a clue who they are shaking hands with and would just rather go home. And then you have all the cute hoors who race to the top of the queue so they can be 'seen' and go!

    On balance though, Irish funerals can be pretty great. I've been to absolute heartbreakers and also funerals which were full of laughter and warm memories. And they do get people together to remember the desceased in whatever what is appropriate, and that mightn't happen otherwise. It would be a lot worse to pass away and have not have all your friends and family in the one place laughing or grieving, IMO anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Plus you can drink too much and finally punch your annoying cousin and blame it on "struggling with internalised grief".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    I avoid them where possible, i find them so awkward and uncomfortable. Unless its someone very close to me then i'm not going, i dont care if its an uncle or an aunt, i havent seen most of them in years so why should i go to their funeral/wake.

    A friend of mine (whose parents are both dead) goes to every funeral going purely because his parents knew that person...which IMO is totally ridiculous. He's at funerals almost every week, its such a waste of time especially when he has to introduce himself to some of the deceaseds family and they still probably havent a clue who he is....but he seems to enjoy it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    flip the coin there...

    there's also the one who doesn't happen to be crying at the funeral, who may be emotionally drained and just can't cry anymore, and may crack a smile at something going on at the time

    "what the hell, why are they laughing, they should be in bits!!"

    Was that in England too because most funerals I've been to have been a laugh riot on occasion. Maybe not the really tragic funerals like when a young person dies but a huge part of Irish funerals involves telling funny stories about the dead person and everyone cracking up laughing. It's a very healthy practise too as communal laughter is a good relief for grief.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    Jezzabelle wrote: »
    Maybe this can be associated with being young or slightly immature, but I used to feel awkward at funerals and think it was "intrusive" to attend unless you are close to the person who died but after losing someone close to me I think different. Even in the depths of your grief I found it a small bit comforting know that people, even those less well known to you, are there for you in a small way and strangely it does mean alot.

    I've read much of this thread and others before it about funerals, and how people see it as a sign of respect to show up, and I still can't agree. I see it as intrusive. I haven't been to many funerals, I would only ever go to one of a family member, or one for a friends family member if I was sure it was what my friend wanted.

    There were a few hundred people at my mothers funeral, and I hated it. She had been ill for more than 2 years, and there were less than 15 people in the church that had visited her in that time, so as far as I was concerned they were only there for show. and what's the point in that. I know my mam would've hated that.

    My brother sat in the front row along with my dad and granny, so that all the people shaking hands would do it with them, not me and my sister, who couldn't handle it. and still people climbed into the row we were in just to get to us. I don't know who most of those people were and I sure as hell didn't care what they had to say.

    My mams brother (who hadn't spoken to her in years) turned up in her last few days to make his peace with her, and she went along with it. By that time she had given up, but I know she hated it. she felt the same anger about insignificant people trying to do the supposed 'right' thing by forcing themselves on the family. he took over everything and made himself out to be somewhat central to the people that cared for her. anyway I'm rambling now.

    I think it's completely wrong to show up to the funeral of someone you don't know. all you're doing is imposing on the family.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭gazzer


    I have been to more funerals this year than in the last few combined. In just about all cases though I didnt know the deceased but I did know their son/daughter so its just a mark of respect for the family.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,943 ✭✭✭ballsymchugh


    iguana wrote: »
    Was that in England too because most funerals I've been to have been a laugh riot on occasion. Maybe not the really tragic funerals like when a young person dies but a huge part of Irish funerals involves telling funny stories about the dead person and everyone cracking up laughing. It's a very healthy practise too as communal laughter is a good relief for grief.

    no, that was at home. it's usually mentioned by someone who just turns up out of the blue for the funeral but hasn't been part of the wake, so doesn't really know what state the bereaved have been in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    I just got home on Sunday for the Christmas holidays.

    I already have one funeral to go to and a 'likely' hanging in the balance before I leave again. Both women are two people i barely know, I am more acquainted with their families.

    Funerals are part of country life. I've been going to funerals since before i could walk. Whether you personally like it or not,many people take comfort from their loved ones' funeral sizes. Perhaps it's the case of the vicarious ego, or perhaps it's a case that they like to feel their loved ones are loved and appreciated.

    Unless it's your family, it has nothing to do with you. You're free to have "funeral strictly private" added to the announcement of your or your family members' deaths, and people respect that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    guitarzero wrote: »
    I was wondering how people feel about them, perhaps more so in the city/ suburbs. Where I'm from there really isnt a community a vibe, people know each other by name (thats it) and will give each other in passing nod bar a few of the neighbours who are perhaps more tightly knit.
    So in a sense, especially in the younger generations theres a new sense of feeling a bit isolated and unfamiliar with those around us. A funeral is a very sensitive situation where you, in some sense, put your heart on your sleeve and display your most heartfelt tears to folks who you dont really know that well. After all these years spending time with someone you love and who was so dear to you, you now, in front of semi strangers, fight back tears, perhaps deliver a heartfelt speech, etc.

    In the country maybe it feels more natural as theres a stronger sense of community and familiarity but I've seen a few funerals in the last couple of years and it didnt seem right that young children or even young adults cried their hearts out in front of folks they barely knew.

    Maybe I'm wrong...


    usually you only see the people you know - you don't bother with the people you dont' - lots of people cry and funerals, weddings, etc. if they want to cry and the sadness of the situation let them. Its a respect thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    guitarzero wrote: »
    Yeah, and I appreciate that. But what about the whole thing of 200+ folks gawking at you while you stare at your family member who is now dead. Its a fair stretch of acquainting considering you probably never brushed shoulders with this person in the past.

    Also, its only a respect thing because of the principle of the custom in its origins. Communities were extremely tightly knit and funerals in this context make some sense. You had the wake, talking to people of importance and relevance, people who were of support, the familiarity etc. People who you know will see you again.

    Now it just seems odd. Many of these people will just go back not knowing you or perhaps even ignoring you.

    no, but they might know your mother, father, sister, brother, in laws, Its not all about you. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    Local politicians love a good funeral even though they never met the deceased.They came out of the woodwork for my grandparents funerals.

    they always do


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭aujopimur


    You can't beat a good Irish funeral, thre're better than weddings
    , and you don't have to give a pressie.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭SisterAnn


    Your appendix is a hangover from the days when your digestive system could process grass.

    A large funeral is a hangover from the days when Irish people lived in real communities and gave a damn about each other.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭bradlente


    I tend not to go unless the person was a really good friend or family member.

    I don't get the "show your face" respect custom.If its someone you never really knew or someone that never had an impact on your life then how could you hold that person in such high regard?I understand helping grieving friends out but the public forum of grief that funerals are confuse frustrate and disturb me.

    All these strange faces turn out for a day to look at a corpse,Then go to a church,Then a few get pissed,Then they go home and its all over for them.Whilst the people who are really affected by the loss have to live with it until they die and won't ever see or hear from half of the people that were at the funeral/wake again.

    Thats how I look at it anyway.My definition of respect must be different than how some others see it perhaps...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 468 ✭✭J K


    I got my appendix out when I was ten.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    You can't have any of this delicious grass then, I'm afraid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 318 ✭✭audidiesel


    personally i hate funerals. having said that if its a family member, someone i know or a close relative of a friend or colleague, then i will go. its a sign of respect and sympathy and if theres anything that i can do to help while im there i will.

    having been at the other side of them (family member of the dead) you do appreciate people making the effort to come and pay their respects.
    sometimes they may never have met the dead person before but they want to show that they appreciate your going through a grieving process and offer some support.


  • Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sometimes I get given out to by people because I don't go to funerals. Like for example if my friends grandaunt died. I mean, I've never met the women, why should I go?

    I think I've been to two funerals in my life. Lucky I guess.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭later12


    Lia_lia wrote: »
    I mean, I've never met the women, why should I go?

    It's not about her, it's not about you, and it's not about you and her together.

    In practice, funerals are for the survivors, not the dead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    I avoid them at all costs unless its close family. I especially hate the wake/removal part, seeing somebody I've known laid out really upsets me and I struggle to get that image out of my head for a good while afterwards. I suppose its just the finality of it all hitting home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭Misty Chaos


    I've being to a few funerals in my time, mostly of aged family relatives, I can't really say I felt anything to be truthful ( and I had gotten a nasty cold around the time of the last one and it was the last thing I wanted to do as such but still did it out of respect. )

    There is one exception, though. Where a young cousin died suddenly, now THAT one took me some time to get over. I don't remember crying or anything, just felt numb with shock, caused a bit of a downward spiral in my life for a while but I fortunately overcame it.

    I acknowledge that I'm not overly keen on how Irish funerals play out - or at least the whole ' drinking to excess ' part of it. That said, I still think the way we handle funerals in one intense swoop is better than what happens in England. I said it before in a similar topic that its good how Irish funerals just get the deed over and done with ASAP, I don't think I could bear the English system.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Lia_lia wrote: »
    Sometimes I get given out to by people because I don't go to funerals. Like for example if my friends grandaunt died. I mean, I've never met the women, why should I go?

    To be a good friend and support someone you care about when they are going through a tough time.


  • Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ^ If it's a close relative (like a friends Mother/Father/sibling) then ok. But anything else I don't get.


    I find it extremely difficult to sympathise/emphasise with people.


    Can't be dealing with the religious stuff either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭Naomi00


    Clareboy wrote: »
    All this running to funerals seems to be a particularly Irish thing. When you die in this country, you can be certain that there will be hundreds at your funeral, but most of those people would never visit you or give a damn about you in life. The whole funeral racket just shows up the Irish for the race of hypocrites that they are!

    You're so ignorant.

    Look up funeral traditions in other countries, especially Asian countries. They make a much bigger deal out of it.



    What is with AH and bashing Ireland? You would be banned for saying the same things about any other country, yet it's ok to say awful things about Irish people :rolleyes:


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,561 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    My mother-in-law is a professional funeral-goer, Radio Kerry death notices are the highlight of her day!!


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