Will you pay the property tax?

Shenshen · 19-11-2011 06:59PM

Yes.

Agree or disagree with the tax itself, there's some truth in the saying that only two things in life can't be avoided, death and taxes.
Usually, taxes get more painful if you try and avoid them.

AudreyHepburn · 19-11-2011 07:01PM

galwayrush wrote: »

I'll pay it if i have it to spare. My family will come first and money is very tight atm.

And you go to jail for tax evasion what happens to them then?

I don't have my own place yet but I if I did I would pay it. We're in a recession, sacrifices need to be made.

Plus it's mandatory so you'll only hurt yourself by refusing to obey the rules.

AudreyHepburn · 19-11-2011 07:02PM

horsemeat wrote: »

This country becomes more and more like the fourth reich with every passing week.

what next, 100 euro per year tax for the privilege of wearing shoelaces?

Ah come on now.....it's not nearly as bad as everyone is making out imo.....we're not in Third World territory just yet.

starbelgrade · 19-11-2011 07:11PM

It works out as 27 cent a day which really won't effect most homeowners.

The only problem I have with it is that it's yet another completely inequitable tax with the rich having to fork up the same amount as the not so rich.

Sky King · 19-11-2011 07:14PM

Home tax is quite a normal thing in many countries. We're all very outraged here for some reason because we feel we shouldn't have to pay it (maybe it's a british absentee landlord legacy sentiment??)... so instead of taxing every homeowner a small amount, they cripple businesses instead in the form of commercial rates.

A small home tax is an excellent tax for a country as a whole. It is very stable and very predictable. It also discourages people who own second, empty houses (i.e. landlords who bought for 'buy to rent' reasons) since they have to pay tax on their empty house. (They now have to do this anyway, but only since last year)

The govt should have been charging a household tax for years, but instead they chose not to... instead they decided to tax the sales transactions in the form of stamp duty (no one here seems to be complaining about that for some reason????)

The upshot of this was that the government took in fat stacks via stamp duty every time a piece of property was sold.

Result? It fed into the property boom innit?

They were hardly going to change that practice since it was making them so much money but naturally the ski-tardz became completely dependant on it to fund their stupid wasteful quangoes and so when the sh!t hit the fan and the peropety market collapsed so did their stamp income - so they were left trying to pull cash together from other sources.... ergo, this belated, inflated household charge.

I am going to pay mine. In fact I can't wait to pay it, it's going to be deadly.

Zebra3 · 19-11-2011 07:31PM

Sky King wrote: »

Home tax is quite a normal thing in many countries. We're all very outraged here for some reason because we feel we shouldn't have to pay it (maybe it's a british absentee landlord legacy sentiment??)... so instead of taxing every homeowner a small amount, they cripple businesses instead in the form of commercial rates.

A small home tax is an excellent tax for a country as a whole. It is very stable and very predictable. It also discourages people who own second, empty houses (i.e. landlords who bought for 'buy to rent' reasons) since they have to pay tax on their empty house. (They now have to do this anyway, but only since last year)

The govt should have been charging a household tax for years, but instead they chose not to... instead they decided to tax the sales transactions in the form of stamp duty (no one here seems to be complaining about that for some reason????)

The upshot of this was that the government took in fat stacks via stamp duty every time a piece of property was sold.

Result? It fed into the property boom innit?

They were hardly going to change that practice since it was making them so much money but naturally the ski-tardz became completely dependant on it to fund their stupid wasteful quangoes and so when the sh!t hit the fan and the peropety market collapsed so did their stamp income - so they were left trying to pull cash together from other sources.... ergo, this belated, inflated household charge.

I am going to pay mine. In fact I can't wait to pay it, it's going to be deadly.

I have no problem paying my fair share of tax, but I object to the criminal waste of my tax by the government.

Don't pay.

Sky King · 19-11-2011 07:33PM

I also object to tax income wastage but this is not a reason to chose not to pay one specific tax is it?

gigino · 19-11-2011 08:04PM

horsemeat wrote: »

This country becomes more and more like the fourth reich with every passing week.

what next, 100 euro per year tax for the privilege of wearing shoelaces?

someone has to pay our public servants the avarage Irish public service salary of € 48,000 per year ( after all the cuts ! ), which is still the highest known average public sector salary in the known world. source : www.cso.ie

Our high stamp duty rate + high vat rate and high v.r.t. rate will not pay everything.

In the UK, an industrialised G7 country with economy of scale etc , average public service salary is 21.5k a year stg. No wonder they can afford to bail us out.;)

Snakeblood · 19-11-2011 08:21PM

Ghandee wrote: »

Also, it still sickens me to pay the USC each month, that's basically a charge for daring to be alive!

I've figured a way out for you.

Zebra3 · 19-11-2011 09:26PM

Sky King wrote: »

I also object to tax income wastage but this is not a reason to chose not to pay one specific tax is it?

Yes, it is.

It's a new tax that is being implemented so greedy foreign banks get their gambling losses back that they lost on private institutions.

And it's one that I, as PAYE worker, have the option of not paying.

eth0 · 19-11-2011 09:34PM

Sky King wrote: »

Home tax is quite a normal thing in many countries. We're all very outraged here for some reason because we feel we shouldn't have to pay it (maybe it's a british absentee landlord legacy sentiment??)... so instead of taxing every homeowner a small amount, they cripple businesses instead in the form of commercial rates.

A small home tax is an excellent tax for a country as a whole. It is very stable and very predictable. It also discourages people who own second, empty houses (i.e. landlords who bought for 'buy to rent' reasons) since they have to pay tax on their empty house. (They now have to do this anyway, but only since last year)

The govt should have been charging a household tax for years, but instead they chose not to... instead they decided to tax the sales transactions in the form of stamp duty (no one here seems to be complaining about that for some reason????)

The upshot of this was that the government took in fat stacks via stamp duty every time a piece of property was sold.

Result? It fed into the property boom innit?

They were hardly going to change that practice since it was making them so much money but naturally the ski-tardz became completely dependant on it to fund their stupid wasteful quangoes and so when the sh!t hit the fan and the peropety market collapsed so did their stamp income - so they were left trying to pull cash together from other sources.... ergo, this belated, inflated household charge.

I am going to pay mine. In fact I can't wait to pay it, it's going to be deadly.

But its not in every country. Iceland for example got rid of theirs a few years ago. We had it here in the 70's and before so its not a new tax by any means. The business rates are less than what they plan to push this tax up to in a few years

Its ridiculous to think that you should pay every year whether you are earning money or not just to live in a house that you could have built yourself on your own land. It is really a tax with nothing in return. It will only serve to put more pressure on people short on income, or if you lose your job and you have your house paid off then you still need to pay every year to keep it. That doesn't seem right to me

If the government had cleared the national debt and only spent sensibly during the boom there would be no need for it, as the government would have saved up all the stamp duty money. Stamp duty is not so bad as it only affects people with money to spend, not those wishing to stay put and grit out the bad times.

We're being coerced into 'drip feeding' cash to the government because it couldn't manage its own spending during the good times. Problem is many can't afford another 500-1000 euro bill every year.

For self employed people going through a bad patch this could mean real bad news. It makes people more reliant on steady incomes that full time jobs provide and these are in short supply nowadays. A roof over your head isn't a luxury item. You could get around it by becoming a knacker or not pay as much by living in a house with 12 other people but why force people through this when the country is full of empty houses?

Samba · 19-11-2011 09:50PM

Introduce a wealth tax and provide relief, France has a pretty good system that give you deductions and exemptions, if for example you invest in local Euro SME. There's too many tax loopholes that are taken advantage of, some US companies don't actually pay anywhere near 12.5%, it's much less.

Kopy · 19-11-2011 09:56PM

Purchased a second house 5 years ago which is in serious negative equity now and when the 2nd property tax of € 200 came in which was also self declaration I just did'ent pay it,but during the week I received a letter from the NPPR office within the County Council of where the house is located telling me I had been discovered by them and that if i did not pay the money owed legal proceedings would be taken against me and i could incur a fine up to € 2000.00 plus costs.
I rang the number on the letter enquiring about this and they basically told me each County Council has been told by Government to search and find second property owners who have not registered and here's the good bit !

The € 200.00 was due in 2009 / 2010 and 2011 which was in my mind was
€600.00 but i'd forgotten the € 20.00 monthly fine !!!

Paid those Ba$%*rds € 1540.00 yesterday !!!!!

eth0 · 19-11-2011 10:05PM

Kopy wrote: »

Purchased a second house 5 years ago which is in serious negative equity now and when the 2nd property tax of € 200 came in which was also self declaration I just did'ent pay it,but during the week I received a letter from the NPPR office within the County Council of where the house is located telling me I had been discovered by them and that if i did not pay the money owed legal proceedings would be taken against me and i could incur a fine up to € 2000.00 plus costs.
I rang the number on the letter enquiring about this and they basically told me each County Council has been told by Government to search and find second property owners who have not registered and here's the good bit !

The € 200.00 was due in 2009 / 2010 and 2011 which was in my mind was
€600.00 but i'd forgotten the € 20.00 monthly fine !!!

Paid those Ba$%*rds € 1540.00 yesterday !!!!!

The second home tax was them testing the water, not much opposition so now they're pushing it on to everyone.

I really don't buy the anti-speculation argument for property tax. You are pre-emptively punishing everyone for just owning a house just in case a property boom would occur. There was a property boom in England where the property tax is extremely high but they avoided the worst of it because they didn't give planning permission for so many houses. Thats something they could have done here to prevent the property boom but obviously sending everybody a 500e bill is easier and makes more money to give to the Germans

vampire of kilmainham · 20-11-2011 06:44AM

i certinley will not pay it i wouldent pay those corupt sh1ts in dail eireann a red cent agus sin a bhuil nil focail eile le ra agam

vampire of kilmainham · 20-11-2011 06:49AM

Fulton Crown wrote: »

Heh heh always ...always some cnunts trying to buck the sytem !

Would have no problem paying this tax as i believe it's necessary.

However I resent having to subsidise the fcucks who will try and resist this exercise...really want the Gov to ensure that all who are elligible to pay this tax .actually do pay and the ****ers who try to slip under the radar don't get away with it.

We are in a bad place ...we need to get real...innit ?

go an ask me bollix what planet are you on

vampire of kilmainham · 20-11-2011 06:56AM

we as a nation will do nothing about it just moan and whinge as allways and most will pay. Thats why our goverment do what they like they know that we are just a load of barstool moaners

jimpump · 20-11-2011 07:07AM

yeah ill pay it just like i pay for my TV licence....ha

Galwayguy35 · 20-11-2011 07:21AM

They tax the ordinary people who live here all year but cant seem to tax the super rich who fly in for a few hours every so ofton to show they are living in the country but pay no tax.

MOSSAD · 14-12-2011 07:54PM

No way, not paying. Take me to court, fine me, imprison me and I'll go on hunger strike.
This represents an opportunity for people once and for all to stand up to the golden circle of incompetent apparatchiks in the dept of finance, the overpaid politicians and their cronies. If enough of people refuse and agitiate, the house of cards will come tumbling down.
Remember, these elected criminals are but flesh and blood.

Mach Lei · 14-12-2011 08:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

With the Irish goverment hoping to collect just under a Billion Euro with their flat rate property tax next year, I wonder will many people actually pay it?

THe government are hoping that property owners will log online and pay their tax over the internet, anyone failing to do so will have the tax added to the sale price of their home when they come to sell it.

With this stupid way of collecting money I wonder will people pay it, and will the budget fail?

Even if they had a more intelligent way of collecting this tax I still think that this tax will be FG/Labour`s version of the poll tax in the UK and people will simply refuse to pay.

Will you pay?

Under no circumstances will I pay,Having the read the legistration, if you register, they can seek any Information they wish about your property, its not just records of owners as some people may think, I for one won,t be registering, my house is my own private property, and the goverment has no business seeking any Information about my private property end of story.

Mach Lei · 14-12-2011 08:09PM

R.D. aka MR.D wrote: »

Is there any group set up to try to organize people to not pay?

It seems like something that we could definitely get rid of if we all stuck together.

oh no wait i forgot as a nation our favourite thing to do is bend over and take it.

Glad someone asked, log on here, http://www.nohouseholdtax.org/ share this link on facebook wall and ask all your friends to sign up non payment.

tayto lover · 14-12-2011 08:09PM

No way. Ready to do some jail over it too if I have to. This is a corrupt tax and will rise quite steeply after people are registered for it.
Everybody must fight this from the start. Do not pay.

Mach Lei · 14-12-2011 08:13PM

westendgirlie wrote: »

I'll be paying it. Anything that gets this country up and running again can only be a good thing for my future too.

Besides, I get tax relief on my mortgage every month so 1 TRS covers property tax for year.

I just hope they don't increase employees tax/prsi/usc aswell. People need the incentive to stay working or want to work.

Given the other lies we have all heard from politicians from, yes to lisbon/yes to jobs, the lies about keeping roscommon hospital open, the promise not to Increase student fees which have again Increased with this weeks budget, do you actually believe them when they say this is going to go towards any services/ running of the country?

Mach Lei · 14-12-2011 08:18PM

LaFlammeRouge wrote: »

Looking forward to Richards Boyd Barrets opposition to this, given that if he had his way we would be taxed to the gills.

Richard isn,t the only oppostion to this, Mick Wallace, Thomas Pringle,Aengus O Snodaigh, Luke Ming Flanagan,Joe Higgins and Claire Daily have come out and said they won,t be paying the household charge/property tax.

ilovesleep · 14-12-2011 08:26PM

Property tax already increased by 10%

http://www.politics.ie/forum/current-affairs/177873-household-tax-already-increased-10-a.html

My name is URL · 14-12-2011 08:33PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

Property tax already increased by 10%

http://www.politics.ie/forum/current-affairs/177873-household-tax-already-increased-10-a.html

It's a ruse to make more people get online.. so the numbers are bigger when the internet tax is introduced.

cgarrad · 14-12-2011 08:50PM

Its €2 per week, if that's a problem for you then you have made some really bad life choices.

If your thinking of wasting your time demonstrating spend it being productive instead, who know what it might bring. This tax will be enforced like the bin charges were and you will have nothing to show for your time

ilovesleep · 14-12-2011 09:02PM

There's are so much gullible people

A fool and is money is easily parted

MugMugs · 14-12-2011 09:04PM

I've just discovered that I'm exempt and will remain so until we take action against my developer.

I've just asked for this to be rushed through because I want to join the unity of not paying it.

It's a joke and if we all stand together for once, we can win this !

Will you pay the property tax?

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