Teenager attacked by teen in custody of HSE

13-12-2011 03:39AM

It really is just another tragic example of the depths our society has sunk to. My heart froze when I heard this story on the news earlier, that could have easily been my younger brother, and no doubt this boy is someone's. While it is impossible to truly know what one would actually do in that situation unless they were in it themselves, I can honestly say that I would not stand by and watch one kid beat the living shít out of another for 4 minutes.

4 minutes is a long fúcking time. That is a prolonged assault, pure obliteration. It is scary to think that this can happen in broad daylight in a public space, so much for the age-old 'safety in numbers' theory. I for one would not have been able to watch the CCTV footage shown in the courthouse.

But this is modern day Ireland (and I'm sure it happens in many other countries also) and just because you aren't looking for your head to be handed to you doesn't mean it's guaranteed not to happen. In the last week alone I've encountered first hand some of the anti-social behaviour that has become more prevalent in the last decade or so, the sort where despite your primary want, for the good of your health you must just swallow your pride and walk on.

1. While walking to my car on a busy street I felt something whizz by me that at first I thought was a snowball, but when I turned around I was faced with a barrage of eggs coming over a nearby wall from a gang of 5-6 teens. I taunted them each time they threw and missed as I kept walking to my car, what I really wanted to do was pick up the nearest object (they appeared to have sticks) and go meet them in battle. But back in the real world I walked to my car and was glad to get there not being pursued by the little bumscags.

2. While coming out of a shop a few days ago in the same general area as the above situation, there was a group of 3 lads in their late teens/early 20s hanging out by the door. Just as I was going out my path crossed with one of theirs and I said 'go on ahead there', his reply was 'Ladies first'. Instantly my blood boiled but what was I gonna do? I couldn't start a ruck in the doorway of a busy deli/shop at lunchtime on a Sunday, nor did I want to get into a verbal or physical altercation with this sniggering 'adult' and hence more than likely his 2 accomplices.

In the OP the attacker is touched in the head, therefore he can't be blamed entirely for his actions. But seriously, where the fúck were the 2 social workers whose 'care' the boy was supposed to be in? Out of 11 eye witnesses was there not at least some grown men, maybe fathers themselves there to team up and restrain the aggressor until the cops arrived? Such a sad, horrifying, belief-shaking story. My heart goes out to the poor 16 year old boy and his family.

Stinicker · 13-12-2011 04:20AM

12 years? for this, the scumbag should be hung quite simply. I would also ask what sort of morons are the HSE?

The two "minders" should not have stopped for him and I would also ask what sort of managers left two female social workers handle a piece of mental scum like this? I am not sexist or trying to be but it could have easily have been them he attacked, the likes of him should be transported by two "brutish" type heavies, and I know plenty of women who could kick my own ass

so I'm not saying them being women was the cause of this but they should be able to kick ass when needed!

What did they or 11 others do, nothing? If I happened to be there I'd put my neck on the line to try break up a scrap and get some makeshift weapon (petrol station you can imagine) to keep the scummer back. We have guards hammering the bejasus out of poor old crustie stoners at protest marches who are quite harmless when it is the sort of scum like this that deserves it.

This guy should have been properly supervised and if he had proper heavys watching him it should have been him who would be disabled for life and not some innocent 16 yr old chap. I hope the victims family sues to the HSE for millions.

MagicSean · 13-12-2011 07:42AM

You clearly have no idea how difficult the HSE workers have it when it comes to dealing with these kids. It's a job I wouldn't wish on anyone. They are constantly subject to violence and threats. And of course they are understaffed too. Maybe you should also keep in mind that the kids aren't prisoners.

flutterflye · 13-12-2011 07:47AM

MagicSean wrote: »

You clearly have no idea how difficult the HSE workers have it when it comes to dealing with these kids. It's a job I wouldn't wish on anyone. They are constantly subject to violence and threats. And of course they are understaffed too.

This can not possibly be relevant here.

We can only speculate of course - but it says that there were 2 social workers escorting the boy, then he gets out to go to the shop.
Where were they???

The fact that the hse is ridiculously understaffed does not apply here as a good reason for the two social workers to be mia.

BickNarry · 13-12-2011 09:04AM

Stinicker wrote: »

12 years? for this, the scumbag should be hung quite simply. I would also ask what sort of morons are the HSE?

The two "minders" should not have stopped for him and I would also ask what sort of managers left two female social workers handle a piece of mental scum like this? I am not sexist or trying to be but it could have easily have been them he attacked, the likes of him should be transported by two "brutish" type heavies, and I know plenty of women who could kick my own ass so I'm not saying them being women was the cause of this but they should be able to kick ass when needed!

What did they or 11 others do, nothing? If I happened to be there I'd put my neck on the line to try break up a scrap and get some makeshift weapon (petrol station you can imagine) to keep the scummer back. We have guards hammering the bejasus out of poor old crustie stoners at protest marches who are quite harmless when it is the sort of scum like this that deserves it.

This guy should have been properly supervised and if he had proper heavys watching him it should have been him who would be disabled for life and not some innocent 16 yr old chap. I hope the victims family sues to the HSE for millions.

That's a bit unfair. That's like asking someone to wear a bullet proof vest incase someone shoots them, instead of expecting the other person not to go shooting people.

MagicMarker · 13-12-2011 09:11AM

investment wrote: »

typical single mother scumbag

WTF??

Caoimhín · 13-12-2011 09:14AM

emo72 wrote: »

how do we breed kids like this in our country? it seems to be getting worse.

Ooooh, careful now or I'll go off on a rant about the benefits of eugenics.

Leftist · 13-12-2011 09:58AM

stankratz wrote: »

It really is just another tragic example of the depths our society has sunk to. .

Oh Jesus. That is classic. A mentally deranged man attacks another man and it's an example of how society has sunk.

It's no wonder the daily mail exists when you have people like this hanging around.

du Maurier · 13-12-2011 10:10AM

investment wrote: »

Even though i understand why no one stepped in the save the victim

The guy was 18 ffs..he was hardy fcuking arman khan, the grown men shown have intervened, even just to stand over the victims body and stop the attack from continuing on any further

I was love to give that scumbag the same kicking, typical single mother scumbag

Amir Khan got his ass handed to him over the weekend!:pac:

But a good roar would have sufficed from anyone of the witnesses - it can have a really good effect, should they not wanted to have got involved physically.

the_syco · 13-12-2011 10:10AM

Kristopherus wrote: »

Its very likely he would have turned on the Social Workers had they tried to intervene. If he had hurt any of them, the taxpayer would be picking up the tab when she sues:(

I'm trying to figure out why he was with women who could not handle him if he got violent?

Oh, sorry, do you think it's sexist saying that the two women couldn't handle the one guy? It isn't; it's fact. He demanded they stop, so they stopped. He attacked someone, and they didn't do jack sh|t.

MagicSean wrote: »

Maybe you should also keep in mind that the kids aren't prisoners.

Maybe not, but handling them with kid gloves doesn't work.

facemelter · 13-12-2011 10:30AM

investment wrote: »

Bystander effect
The bystander effect refers to the phenomenon in which the greater the number of people present, the less likely people are to help a person in distress. When an emergency situation occurs, observers are more likely to take action if there are few or no other witnesses.

if heard of this before and its easy in hindsight for someone who wasnt there to say " why did no one do something !!" but the worst part is that the effects of the crime will far outlast the sentence i have no confidence in the Irish justice system at all , The sentence for a crime should outweigh the consequence of the crime and by how much should depend on the mature of the crime, and that sounds a little harsh but some one is now going to be walking free after serving his time , while the person he assaulted will now never have a full normal life ,

Danbo! · 13-12-2011 10:35AM

the_syco wrote: »

I'm trying to figure out why he was with women who could not handle him if he got violent?

Oh, sorry, do you think it's sexist saying that the two women couldn't handle the one guy? It isn't; it's fact. He demanded they stop, so they stopped. He attacked someone, and they didn't do jack sh|t.

Maybe not, but handling them with kid gloves doesn't work.

Like another poster pointed out these kids are not prisoners and are not escorted in bloody prison vans under high security. How do you know try didn't do jack sh1t? They may not have even realised it was happening, could have still been inside the shop.

Everytime time there's an incident or a missing child in care of the HSE everyone is up in arms screaming for the heads of HSE staff to roll. They are trying to look after kids whose parents wouldn't or couldn't care for them and give them a normal as possible life, if that's even slightly possible. I'm not saying any of this justifies the attack here, but social workers do not have all these kids under 24 hour surveillance.

Seachmall · 13-12-2011 10:37AM

facemelter wrote: »

if heard of this before and its easy in hindsight for someone who wasnt there to say " why did no one do something !!"

Exactly. Typically when people hear of these stories they assume they'd be the hero standing out from the crowd, generally they're full of ****. Talk is cheap, and until we've been in that situation we have no idea how we'd react (most likely we'd do nothing).

In saying that 4 minutes is a long time to be scratching your arse.

AeoNGriM · 13-12-2011 10:39AM

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

That is the same question that my dad and I asked while watching this story on the news earlier. Four minutes and no one felt the need to step in?

Both the social workers, and the 11 onlookers should be doing 5 years each for being miserable excuses for human beings. Fcuking pathetic.

Am wondering why a lesser plea was accepted, I'd say the prosecutors could very easily have gotten the attempted murder charge conviction.

The Snipe · 13-12-2011 10:58AM

I used to be in the attackers year in Shool, he was the biggest tool known to man!

13-12-2011 10:58AM

Why in the **** was the conviction reduced from attempted murder? Surely stamping on someone's head before returning to do it again is attempted murder!

fenris · 13-12-2011 11:05AM

Because it would look bad for the negligent social workers to have facilitated an attempted murder?

Frank Black · 13-12-2011 11:11AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why in the **** was the conviction reduced from attempted murder? Surely stamping on someone's head before returning to do it again is attempted murder!

No doubt about it - but apparently very difficult to prove legally.

He probably wouldn't have got more than 12 years anyway even if convicted for this.

This scumbag will be free as a bird in less than 7 years.

Seachmall · 13-12-2011 11:18AM

black francis wrote: »

No doubt about it - but apparently very difficult to prove legally.

I know you're right but it's ridiculous that you are dead on when you say that.

If a man hits a man in the head, it's assault, if he hits a few times it could still be assault, if he stomps on his head for 4 minutes after the guy has already lost consciousness then that is attempted murder.

In this case his actions clearly define his intent. It should be an open and closed case. Absolutely ridiculous.

kfallon · 13-12-2011 11:19AM

How long does it take Gardai to respond to 999 calls btw? I mean he was 5 mins at it, surely somebody in the petrol station rang the Guards and told them there was a serious assault taking place. I don't know the area but I would have expected somebody there within a couple of minutes, no? I'm not bashing the Gardai here btw, just wondering!

A truly awful story, made me :mad: and

at the same time! A young lads life has been ruined.

I hope the offender is beaten to within an inch of his life every day for the duration of his sentence!

Frank Black · 13-12-2011 11:31AM

kfallon wrote: »

How long does it take Gardai to respond to 999 calls btw? I mean he was 5 mins at it, surely somebody in the petrol station rang the Guards and told them there was a serious assault taking place. I don't know the area but I would have expected somebody there within a couple of minutes, no? I'm not bashing the Gardai here btw, just wondering!

A truly awful story, made me :mad: and at the same time! A young lads life has been ruined.

I hope the offender is beaten to within an inch of his life every day for the duration of his sentence!

You honestly expect a squad car to arrive with 2 minutes of a 999 call?

You've obviously been watching too much 24.

It would take the guts of 2 minutes to explain the situations, give the address etc.

monica22 · 14-12-2011 04:38AM

obviously a lot of people commenting here don't even understand about the irish care system! it wasn't 2 social workers on shift they are the people who deal indirectly with people while SOCIAL CARE WORKERS are the people who work directly with the people. first of all let me explain about teenage residential at the end of the day the workers who work with them are normal people not trained in restraining a young person in public there is whats known as tci therauptic crisis intervention which is limited to the restraints used on the child workers CANNOT restrain a child in public if the staff had of got out the car the young lad would of escalated also they were more then likely in the car ringing the gardai obviously they also didnt no the young if they had just picked him up to bring him to the residential meaning they had no details of what his personality or nature was at the end of the day social workers aint gardai! people should also not comment unless they work in the field!

monica22 · 14-12-2011 04:42AM

obviously u havent worked with kids in care dont matter there age

BeerWolf · 14-12-2011 06:30AM

**** him being young for his sentence, leave him to rot in prison for the rest of his life...

challengemaster · 14-12-2011 07:35AM

kfallon wrote: »

How long does it take Gardai to respond to 999 calls btw?

I'd say the average time would be 3-4 days to respond.

the 11 bystanders should be charged as accessorys for doing nothing.

monica22 · 14-12-2011 09:59AM

the_syco wrote: »

Kristopherus wrote: »

Its very likely he would have turned on the Social Workers had they tried to intervene. If he had hurt any of them, the taxpayer would be picking up the tab when she sues:(

I'm trying to figure out why he was with women who could not handle him if he got violent?

Oh, sorry, do you think it's sexist saying that the two women couldn't handle the one guy? It isn't; it's fact. He demanded they stop, so they stopped. He attacked someone, and they didn't do jack sh|t.

MagicSean wrote: »

Maybe you should also keep in mind that the kids aren't prisoners.

Maybe not, but handling them with kid gloves doesn't work.

U obviously dont work in residentail two men wouldnt got out the car

monica22 · 14-12-2011 10:01AM

It's really annoying that people r commenting about the two female workers unless u work in the area u can't understand

monica22 · 14-12-2011 10:03AM

monica22 wrote: »

the_syco wrote: »

Kristopherus wrote: »

Its very likely he would have turned on the Social Workers had they tried to intervene. If he had hurt any of them, the taxpayer would be picking up the tab when she sues:(

I'm trying to figure out why he was with women who could not handle him if he got violent?

Oh, sorry, do you think it's sexist saying that the two women couldn't handle the one guy? It isn't; it's fact. He demanded they stop, so they stopped. He attacked someone, and they didn't do jack sh|t.

MagicSean wrote: »

Maybe you should also keep in mind that the kids aren't prisoners.

Maybe not, but handling them with kid gloves doesn't work.

U obviously dont work in residentail two men wouldnt got out the car

And he didn't demand they stop

Bullseye1 · 14-12-2011 10:07AM

investment wrote: »

Bystander effect
The bystander effect refers to the phenomenon in which the greater the number of people present, the less likely people are to help a person in distress. When an emergency situation occurs, observers are more likely to take action if there are few or no other witnesses.

Just standing there doing nothing should be unlawful.

Cavehill Red · 14-12-2011 10:08AM

monica22 wrote: »

It's really annoying that people r commenting about the two female workers unless u work in the area u can't understand

Not half as annoying as it is for the lad left brain damaged as a result of their negligence.

Teenager attacked by teen in custody of HSE

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