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Psychedelic drugs?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭eire.man


    Psychedelics are mad but they pale into comparison to the 2 minutes of madness from salvia 15x.
    Crazy fcukin sh1t

    give me a few mins over 10 hours anyday!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭eire.man


    Read the whole thread so far.

    I've always been facinacted by psychs & their effects.

    Never tried them myself though & unlikely to at this stage.

    It's good reading about peoples experiances with them though.

    it's never too late


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    They are fun, but they don't turn Pluto into Plato.
    They can help people's inventivness.

    http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_steve-jobs-considered-bill-gates-unimaginative-took-lsd-to-keep-things-in-perspective_1602167
    Apple's visionary co-founder Steve Jobs had accused Microsoft chairman Bill Gates of being "unimaginative," saying that he never invented anything, his biographer has claimed.

    "Bill is basically unimaginative and has never invented anything, which is why I think he's more comfortable now in philanthropy than technology," Jobs had said according to his official biographer Walter Isaacson.

    According to the Telegraph, Isaacson claimed in another extract of the 630-page book, that Jobs believed taking LSD helped reinforce "his sense of what was important".

    "Taking LSD reinforced my sense of what was important: creating great things instead of making money, putting things back into the stream of history and of human consciousness as much as I could," Jobs said.
    Jobs says that the Microsoft co-founder was more a copier than an innovator and pondered how Gates might have been different had gone on a spiritual hermitage or tripped on LSD when he was younger.

    “He’d be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once or gone off to an ashram when he was younger,” Jobs says about Gates in the book "Steve Jobs" by biographer Walter Isaacson.

    “Bill is basically unimaginative and has never invented anything, which is why I think he’s more comfortable now in philanthropy than technology. He just shamelessly ripped off other people’s ideas.”
    Jobs experimented with psychedelics, calling his LSD experiences "one of the two or three most important things [he had] done in [his] life". He later said that people around him who did not share his countercultural roots could not fully relate to his thinking.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭Kanoe


    drugs simply turn off the rational part of your brain and allow you to perceive everything without those boundaries. great yeah, only that rational part of our brain is kind of necessary in a functional way on a day to day basis. have fun kids.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 580 ✭✭✭shampon


    Some people swear that psychedelics can provide access to a higher plan of consciousness, and that they can be used to gain a greater understanding of the nature of the universe and our existence. They say that the incredible visions one can experience while under the influence of things like psilocybin mushrooms, LSD, DMT etc are not products of the mind itself, instead claiming that these are glimpses at something beyond the world we inhabit.

    On the other end of the spectrum are those who say that psychedelic drugs are dangerous, they can cause mental illness and that the visions are nothing more than hallucinations, devoid of any of the higher meanings which some users apply to them.

    What are your thoughts on the merit of psychedelic experiences, have you ever experimented with them or know others who have and what do you think of their current legal status?

    I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.Time to die. All of this with out the use of drugs. I'm not a sap and I don't need to trip. spas.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Stained Class


    eire.man wrote: »
    it's never too late

    Well, if I reach 70 I might give it a go & be a right mad auld fecker.:pac:

    Till then, I value my sanity too much.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 609 ✭✭✭DepecheHead101


    Kanoe wrote: »
    drugs simply turn off the rational part of your brain and allow you to perceive everything without those boundaries. great yeah, only that rational part of our brain is kind of necessary in a functional way on a day to day basis. have fun kids.
    Do you regularly encounter people under the influence of psychedelic drugs in your place of work?

    I wasn't aware that getting silly tits on acid for your nine to five was in vogue. Thanks for the warning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Well, if I reach 70 I might give it a go & be a right mad auld fecker.:pac:

    Till then, I value my sanity too much.
    If you took it earlier you might live longer, some claim certain psychedelics can prolong lifespan.

    Albert Hofmann, the inventor of LSD lived to be 102. His letter to Steve Jobs written when he was 101.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ryan-grim/read-the-never-before-pub_b_227887.html#hoffmanjobsletter
    Dear Mr. Steve Jobs,

    Hello from Albert Hofmann. I understand from media accounts that you feel LSD helped you creatively in your development of Apple computers and your personal spiritual quest. I'm interested in learning more about how LSD was useful to you.

    I'm writing now, shortly after my 101st birthday, to request that you support Swiss psychiatrist Dr. Peter Gasser's proposed study of LSD-assisted psychotherapy in subjects with anxiety associated with life-threatening illness. This will become the first LSD-assisted psychotherapy study in over 35 years.

    I hope you will help in the transformation of my problem child into a wonder child.

    Sincerely,

    A. Hofmann
    He specifically asks Jobs to fund research being proposed by Swiss psychiatrist Peter Gasser and directs Jobs to Doblin's Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies.
    Doblin and Hofmann were close; Doblin gave the doctor his first tab of ecstasy in the '80s when it was still legal, he says, and Hofmann loved it, saying that finally he'd found a drug he could enjoy with his wife, no fan of LSD.

    Doblin provided a copy of the letter to me; Hofmann's son, Andreas Hofmann, executor of his father's estate, authorized its publication.
    In the 80's he would have been in his 70's.

    Many of psychedelic drug researchers & pioneers are well in their 60's or 70's now and still at it. Some people think this is strange yet don't bat an eyelid when people take the pyschoactive drugs alcohol & nicotine in their old age.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    Psychedelics are the ****. I've managed to get through most of them I've wanted to try. DMT is the only big one that remains unticked.

    Mushies were the first I tried. Two of the lads and I bought a box of them in the headshops and ate them in the middle of McDonald's. We had the quintessential drug adventure; what would normally have been a five minute stroll to the offo became a three-hour magical wander. My hitherto unextraordinary estate became a completely fascinating wonderland, and we'd frequently have to stop for several minutes to take in the amazing sights such as The Solid Gold House, The Extremely Red Flowers (red flowers are always crazy on psychedelics), and Sin City Lane - you'd step in this lane and suddenly you were thrown into a black-and-white world with the odd snatch of highly-contrasting colour (eventually I realised I was, in reality, simply stepping in and out of a shadow. Terminally good fun, but one thing I noticed then and with subsequent experiences is that it's a very insular drug. I really just want to be around other people who are on the drug, and I find interaction with others to be annoying, confusing or downright scary. Financial transactions are particularly challenging - completely forgetting how money works while trying to buy beer at a bar in Amsterdam is not a particularly pleasant experience.

    LSD is a bit similar to mushrooms but, in my opinion, better. When I was younger, before I was a fiend, I read a few books about psychedelics and developed a powerful desire to try acid, but I couldn't get my hand son it. I'd always hear people on the internet saying "don't worry, acid will come to you," which wasn't very comforting at the time. Then it just...did. I was walking back to my tent at a festival when some Cork lad asked me for a smoke. When he saw I had a full box his eyes lit up and he said “Give me ten of those and you’ll get two of the cleanest hits of acid you’ve ever had in your life, biy.” I don’t really remember the peak – I was probably way too drunk to be taking drugs, to be honest - but a lovely young couple helped me through it. The chick would hold my head and give me a fork massage whenever I sounded distressed, and the lad very generously handed out huge rocks of gorgeous MDMA to me and my mate throughout the night. I kinda started regaining consciousness (albeit utterly drug****ed consciousness) as it was getting bright, and it was just incredible. I know it sounds like a hippie cliché but I’d never realised how beautiful the world was. It was like everything was in HD, the colours and contrasts were just unreal, there were little particles that would float about then just wink out of existence, people’s eyes would constantly shift colour and the fluorescent face paint they were wearing would stream out behind them as walked, and these coloured beams of light, coming from nowhere, were shooting out all around me. It felt as if the dimensional barriers dividing this world and another were breaking down , a world in which magic was very real.

    I will say that acid hs the potential to be dangerous. The visuals are fun, but that’s only half the trip, Acid is a head**** and seriously alters your way of thinking. You’ll often think you have a decent handle on the situation but your idea of what’s going on in your head and what’s going on in reality are often very different things. For example,. Any time I’ve taken the drug I’ve become convinced that absolutely everyone from the country is a traveler. I remember being out of my head at Electric Picnic and seeing all the campervans coming in, and thinking, “Jesus, the itinerants are setting up on site. Have they no shame?” Another drug that’s better suited to a controlled environment, certainly I it’s your first time anyway. I also think it tends to outstay its welcome somewhat. First 6-8 hours arte all fun and games, but eventually it’s like “Alright acid, we’ve had a great time but it’s been 12 hours now and I’d kinda like the walls to stop melting soon, if you don’t mind.”

    Slightly surprised at the lack of mention of 2C-B so far; it’s fairly popular. People often describe it as mix between acid and MDMA. It is and it isn’t, I guess. The visuals are strong aright, and there’s some euphoria, but it lacks the empathy of MDMA and it doesn’t have a headtrip like acid, making it a better party drug than the latter. You’d be in no way “normal,” but it’s not like mushrooms or acid where you’re operating on a completely different to the rest of the world. The first time I bought it I my mates and I though it was ecstasy. I was the first to come up and realise something was off. I will admit I was initially quite alarmed when little toy steam trains started chugging around in my periphery vision, as was my friend who spent 10 minutes observing the whirlpool in his toilet bowl, but we went with the flow and turned it into an enjoyable trip which largely constituted us making up films with pun based-titles for 6 hours or so (a warp in the wardrobe would look a bit like a guitar trying to burst out, and this would lead to “Evil Guitar: An Axe to Grind” and “Evil Guitar 2: A Bone to Pick.” Repeat x100).

    Way too tl;dr already so I’ll just briefly list my experiences with other psychedelics.

    DXM (cough syrup): horrible, mongy and uncomfortable. I can see why noone does this.

    Salvia: Blew everything else I’d done prior out of the water. My mates got the giggles off it. I got transformed into a triangle and sent to some universe that consisted entirely of triangles for a few hundred years (a minute or so in earth-time). To be honest, you can’t even really give a rudimentary description of salvialand with words, because there’s nothing from normal, everday life to compare it against. It’s something you’d have to try yourself to understand – this is true of almost all drugs, but much more so when you get to the WTF level of savlia divinoium. Horrible, evil drug, but admittedly interesting.

    Ketamine: Blew salvia out of the water. I had no idea just how powerful this drug was. I took a horse’s dose at a festival this summer and went right down the K-Hole. I could write a few thousand words on what I experienced, but it would probably be pretty nonsensical to anyone but me and, again, it’s not something you can really explain in writing. Just to give an idea.: I thought I had died, I experienced complete and utter disassociation (forgot I’d ever existed as person), I saw the creation of an entire universe. When I was “reborn” in my tent at the end, I turned to tell my mates what had happened, only to find they had no faces – their eye sockets, noses and mouths were covered completely by skin. This was actually something of relief – it was a horrific sight, sure, but at least it was something I could understand. Head****ery of the highest order, though very interesting. I have no idea how people do this **** for fun.

    Jesus, tl;dr.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    rubadub wrote: »
    Well, if I reach 70 I might give it a go & be a right mad auld fecker.:pac:

    Till then, I value my sanity too much.
    If you took it earlier you might live longer, some claim certain psychedelics can prolong lifespan.

    Albert Hofmann, the inventor of LSD lived to be 102. His letter to Steve Jobs written when he was 101.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ryan-grim/read-the-never-before-pub_b_227887.html#hoffmanjobsletter
    Dear Mr. Steve Jobs,

    Hello from Albert Hofmann. I understand from media accounts that you feel LSD helped you creatively in your development of Apple computers and your personal spiritual quest. I'm interested in learning more about how LSD was useful to you.

    I'm writing now, shortly after my 101st birthday, to request that you support Swiss psychiatrist Dr. Peter Gasser's proposed study of LSD-assisted psychotherapy in subjects with anxiety associated with life-threatening illness. This will become the first LSD-assisted psychotherapy study in over 35 years.

    I hope you will help in the transformation of my problem child into a wonder child.

    Sincerely,

    A. Hofmann
    He specifically asks Jobs to fund research being proposed by Swiss psychiatrist Peter Gasser and directs Jobs to Doblin's Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies.
    Doblin and Hofmann were close; Doblin gave the doctor his first tab of ecstasy in the '80s when it was still legal, he says, and Hofmann loved it, saying that finally he'd found a drug he could enjoy with his wife, no fan of LSD.

    Doblin provided a copy of the letter to me; Hofmann's son, Andreas Hofmann, executor of his father's estate, authorized its publication.
    In the 80's he would have been in his 70's.

    Many of psychedelic drug researchers & pioneers are well in their 60's or 70's now and still at it. Some people think this is strange yet don't bat an eyelid when people take the pyschoactive drugs alcohol & nicotine in their old age.
    Interesting to note that heavy usage of LSD is also linked to physically looking much younger than your age. A case in point being Timothy Leary, who wore his youthful trademark Smiley face up until he developed cancer and died in mid nineties. Most people I know from years ago that would have been extreme psychonauts would remain pretty youthful


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Wattle


    I'm definitely curious about acid but I have the feeling I'd be bad trip material. Don't really fancy being stuck in a 12 hour nightmare.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Drugs are either uppers or downers.

    Except for LSD and co. which are fucking sideways.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 77 ✭✭missvirgo


    Pace2008 wrote: »
    Psychedelics are the ****. I've managed to get through most of them I've wanted to try. DMT is the only big one that remains unticked.

    Mushies were the first I tried. Two of the lads and I bought a box of them in the headshops and ate them in the middle of McDonald's. We had the quintessential drug adventure; what would normally have been a five minute stroll to the offo became a three-hour magical wander. My hitherto unextraordinary estate became a completely fascinating wonderland, and we'd frequently have to stop for several minutes to take in the amazing sights such as The Solid Gold House, The Extremely Red Flowers (red flowers are always crazy on psychedelics), and Sin City Lane - you'd step in this lane and suddenly you were thrown into a black-and-white world with the odd snatch of highly-contrasting colour (eventually I realised I was, in reality, simply stepping in and out of a shadow. Terminally good fun, but one thing I noticed then and with subsequent experiences is that it's a very insular drug. I really just want to be around other people who are on the drug, and I find interaction with others to be annoying, confusing or downright scary. Financial transactions are particularly challenging - completely forgetting how money works while trying to buy beer at a bar in Amsterdam is not a particularly pleasant experience.

    LSD is a bit similar to mushrooms but, in my opinion, better. When I was younger, before I was a fiend, I read a few books about psychedelics and developed a powerful desire to try acid, but I couldn't get my hand son it. I'd always hear people on the internet saying "don't worry, acid will come to you," which wasn't very comforting at the time. Then it just...did. I was walking back to my tent at a festival when some Cork lad asked me for a smoke. When he saw I had a full box his eyes lit up and he said “Give me ten of those and you’ll get two of the cleanest hits of acid you’ve ever had in your life, biy.” I don’t really remember the peak – I was probably way too drunk to be taking drugs, to be honest - but a lovely young couple helped me through it. The chick would hold my head and give me a fork massage whenever I sounded distressed, and the lad very generously handed out huge rocks of gorgeous MDMA to me and my mate throughout the night. I kinda started regaining consciousness (albeit utterly drug****ed consciousness) as it was getting bright, and it was just incredible. I know it sounds like a hippie cliché but I’d never realised how beautiful the world was. It was like everything was in HD, the colours and contrasts were just unreal, there were little particles that would float about then just wink out of existence, people’s eyes would constantly shift colour and the fluorescent face paint they were wearing would stream out behind them as walked, and these coloured beams of light, coming from nowhere, were shooting out all around me. It felt as if the dimensional barriers dividing this world and another were breaking down , a world in which magic was very real.

    I will say that acid hs the potential to be dangerous. The visuals are fun, but that’s only half the trip, Acid is a head**** and seriously alters your way of thinking. You’ll often think you have a decent handle on the situation but your idea of what’s going on in your head and what’s going on in reality are often very different things. For example,. Any time I’ve taken the drug I’ve become convinced that absolutely everyone from the country is a traveler. I remember being out of my head at Electric Picnic and seeing all the campervans coming in, and thinking, “Jesus, the itinerants are setting up on site. Have they no shame?” Another drug that’s better suited to a controlled environment, certainly I it’s your first time anyway. I also think it tends to outstay its welcome somewhat. First 6-8 hours arte all fun and games, but eventually it’s like “Alright acid, we’ve had a great time but it’s been 12 hours now and I’d kinda like the walls to stop melting soon, if you don’t mind.”

    Slightly surprised at the lack of mention of 2C-B so far; it’s fairly popular. People often describe it as mix between acid and MDMA. It is and it isn’t, I guess. The visuals are strong aright, and there’s some euphoria, but it lacks the empathy of MDMA and it doesn’t have a headtrip like acid, making it a better party drug than the latter. You’d be in no way “normal,” but it’s not like mushrooms or acid where you’re operating on a completely different to the rest of the world. The first time I bought it I my mates and I though it was ecstasy. I was the first to come up and realise something was off. I will admit I was initially quite alarmed when little toy steam trains started chugging around in my periphery vision, as was my friend who spent 10 minutes observing the whirlpool in his toilet bowl, but we went with the flow and turned it into an enjoyable trip which largely constituted us making up films with pun based-titles for 6 hours or so (a warp in the wardrobe would look a bit like a guitar trying to burst out, and this would lead to “Evil Guitar: An Axe to Grind” and “Evil Guitar 2: A Bone to Pick.” Repeat x100).

    Way too tl;dr already so I’ll just briefly list my experiences with other psychedelics.

    DXM (cough syrup): horrible, mongy and uncomfortable. I can see why noone does this.

    Salvia: Blew everything else I’d done prior out of the water. My mates got the giggles off it. I got transformed into a triangle and sent to some universe that consisted entirely of triangles for a few hundred years (a minute or so in earth-time). To be honest, you can’t even really give a rudimentary description of salvialand with words, because there’s nothing from normal, everday life to compare it against. It’s something you’d have to try yourself to understand – this is true of almost all drugs, but much more so when you get to the WTF level of savlia divinoium. Horrible, evil drug, but admittedly interesting.

    Ketamine: Blew salvia out of the water. I had no idea just how powerful this drug was. I took a horse’s dose at a festival this summer and went right down the K-Hole. I could write a few thousand words on what I experienced, but it would probably be pretty nonsensical to anyone but me and, again, it’s not something you can really explain in writing. Just to give an idea.: I thought I had died, I experienced complete and utter disassociation (forgot I’d ever existed as person), I saw the creation of an entire universe. When I was “reborn” in my tent at the end, I turned to tell my mates what had happened, only to find they had no faces – their eye sockets, noses and mouths were covered completely by skin. This was actually something of relief – it was a horrific sight, sure, but at least it was something I could understand. Head****ery of the highest order, though very interesting. I have no idea how people do this **** for fun.

    Jesus, tl;dr.

    Mental. I had heard Ketamine was nuts. Never thought i'd be afraid to try a drug, at least the once... but i don't think i'll be going anywhere near Ketamine any time soon... I wouldn't trust myself to ever make it back in one piece.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭R P McMurphy


    Wattle wrote: »
    I'm definitely curious about acid but I have the feeling I'd be bad trip material. Don't really fancy being stuck in a 12 hour nightmare.
    Is a strange drug, could tell you to try a small dose but have seen people on 35mcg absolutely tripped out of their box and climbing the walls. Then again others on 3500mcg and in a Zen like state


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    missvirgo wrote: »
    Mental. I had heard Ketamine was nuts. Never thought i'd be afraid to try a drug, at least the once... but i don't think i'll be going anywhere near Ketamine any time soon... I wouldn't trust myself to ever make it back in one piece.
    To be fair, the dose I took was probably at least 5 times what I'd have needed for a strong trip. A little goes a long way with K, but I was really drunk and just shovelling the stuff up nose with a coin, and the tent was dark so I had no idea how much I was taking. Terrible, irresponsible idea with a drug that has a fairly low effective dose.

    It scared me enough that I haven't done it again, so I don't know if a "milder" K-Hole would be much different. By all accounts the K-hole is always going to be fairly out there and I know a few others who also thought they'd died after taking the drug - it seems to be a farily common experience. It's also one of those drugs where, once intoxicated, you actually forgot you've taken a drug (or that your a person at all, in my case) so you can't just say to yourself "You're just tripping, calm down." Salvia does the same to me and I think it's this effect more than anything that makes me afraid of these drugs.

    I will say I have had good fun with small bumps of ketamine - it's like a a completely different drug on low doses. Everything just goes a bit wonky and walking is difficult as your legs seem to shoot about 6 feet in front of you move them. Still, probably won'#t be partaking in consumption for the foreseeable future.
    Oranage2 wrote: »
    took them and enjoyed them but the come down was something else the next day.


    Thought my hands went the size of those novetly hands at football matches.
    Ha, I get that something awful as well. If I turn my hand one way they look really long and skeletal. If I turn them the other way they look huge and chunky. On one occasion my mates and I had to agree not to raise our hands at all because we freaking each other out so badly with them.

    Walked the streets and the trams bkes and cars were making sweet music.
    Same again. Eveything sounds like a bassline and my mind just makes up a tune around it. I've seen people at festivals go off trying to find the "rave" in the middle of the night only to find it was nothing more than a generator working away. By the end of a week-long cainer in Ibiza I could actually hear music coming out of the sink and toilet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,321 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Pace2008 wrote: »
    To be fair, the dose I took was probably at least 5 times what I'd have needed for a strong trip. A little goes a long way with K, but I was really drunk and just shovelling the stuff up nose with a coin, and the tent was dark so I had no idea how much I was taking. Terrible, irresponsible idea with a drug that has a fairly low effective dose.

    It scared me enough that I haven't done it again, so I don't know if a "milder" K-Hole would be much different. By all accounts the K-hole is always going to be fairly out there and I know a few others who also thought they'd died after taking the drug - it seems to be a farily common experience. It's also one of those drugs where, once intoxicated, you actually forgot you've taken a drug (or that your a person at all, in my case) so you can't just say to yourself "You're just tripping, calm down." Salvia does the same to me and I think it's this effect more than anything that makes me afraid of these drugs.

    I will say I have had good fun with small bumps of ketamine - it's like a a completely different drug on low doses. Everything just goes a bit wonky and walking is difficult as your legs seem to shoot about 6 feet in front of you move them. Still, probably won'#t be partaking in consumption for the foreseeable future.

    Ha, I get that something awful as well. If I turn my hand one way they look really long and skeletal. If I turn them the other way they look huge and chunky. On one occasion my mates and I had to agree not to raise our hands at all because we freaking each other out so badly with them.


    Same again. Eveything sounds like a bassline and my mind just makes up a tune around it. I've seen people at festivals go off trying to find the "rave" in the middle of the night only to find it was nothing more than a generator working away. By the end of a week-long cainer in Ibiza I could actually hear music coming out of the sink and toilet

    Not until Life Festival 2012 anyway haaargh! :D

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,292 ✭✭✭jiltloop


    I've had a fair bit of experience with drugs including mushrooms and lsd and I have to say ketamine was my favourite drug of all. I never took so much that I went into a k-hole (they sound scary) but I've been close. Everytime I've taken it I've had a completely different experience but always enjoyable, you just have to be sensible with the doses.
    It's the only drug that I would happily take again if I came across it but it I can't get it anymore. Used to get it off a guy in liquid form so it was 100% pure and I never had any side effects from it. Wonderful drug if you respect it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭SteoL


    jiltloop wrote: »
    I've had a fair bit of experience with drugs including mushrooms and lsd and I have to say ketamine was my favourite drug of all. I never took so much that I went into a k-hole (they sound scary) but I've been close. Everytime I've taken it I've had a completely different experience but always enjoyable, you just have to be sensible with the doses.
    It's the only drug that I would happily take again if I came across it but it I can't get it anymore. Used to get it off a guy in liquid form so it was 100% pure and I never had any side effects from it. Wonderful drug if you respect it.


    I only ever did it once. Due to my impatience I took a huge amount (didn't think I was getting anything off it) and went straight down a K Hole. Horrible experience, enough to put me off K for life.

    Did Salvia once also. Didn't care for it. Sucking on some amnesia haze here. Now that is nice :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,321 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Domo230 wrote: »
    As someone who had his eyesight damaged and spent a year feeling like reality wasn't real (or that I was becoming schizophrenic) because of a single joint I will stay far away from any of this stuff. (Yes I am serious)

    If something that is supposedly harmless like marijuana did that to me then I am pretty sure anything stronger would probably traumatise me for life or send me to a mental home. I am built to bad trip on things.

    There can be really wild marijuana too, by the sounds of it that single joint could have been wedged with Northern Lights, a extremely strong skunk weed.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Domo230 wrote: »
    As someone who had his eyesight damaged

    You sure that wasnt from fapping ?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,556 ✭✭✭Deus Ex Machina


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    You sure that wasnt from fapping ?

    I'd have less difficulty accepting that explanation...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭Edal


    Some the greatest albums ever were written on LSD.

    Pink Flyod - The dark Side of the Monn

    The Beatles - Sgt. Peppers

    Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced

    Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico

    The Doors -Break on Through

    And most of The Flaming Lips stuff


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 55 ✭✭Edal


    And most of Hunter S. Thompson's writings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,321 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Edal wrote: »
    Some the greatest albums ever were written on LSD.

    Pink Flyod - The dark Side of the Monn

    The Beatles - Sgt. Peppers

    Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced

    Velvet Underground - The Velvet Underground & Nico

    The Doors -Break on Through

    And most of The Flaming Lips stuff

    I would change that to Pink Floyd - Piper at the Gates of Dawn, Saucerful Of Secrets, Ummagumma etc.
    In fact someone should release a cover album called Dark Side of the Mong.
    Other albums:
    Hawkwind - The Space Ritual
    Gong - Camembert Electrique
    Tangerine Dream - Early 70s stuff
    Anything by Aphex Twin

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Edal wrote: »
    And most of Hunter S. Thompson's writings.

    lol

    I get the feeling you haven't read any of them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭eire.man


    Wattle wrote: »
    I'm definitely curious about acid but I have the feeling I'd be bad trip material. Don't really fancy being stuck in a 12 hour nightmare.

    then DMT is what you're after, some call it the business mans trip cos you can take 2/3 hits off the joint, get to a seriously trippy state so fast and come down feeling totally normal again in 10 - 15 mins


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭eire.man


    Pace2008 wrote: »
    Psychedelics are the ****. I've managed to get through most of them I've wanted to try. DMT is the only big one that remains unticked.

    Mushies were the first I tried. Two of the lads and I bought a box of them in the headshops and ate them in the middle of McDonald's. We had the quintessential drug adventure; what would normally have been a five minute stroll to the offo became a three-hour magical wander. My hitherto unextraordinary estate became a completely fascinating wonderland, and we'd frequently have to stop for several minutes to take in the amazing sights such as The Solid Gold House, The Extremely Red Flowers (red flowers are always crazy on psychedelics), and Sin City Lane - you'd step in this lane and suddenly you were thrown into a black-and-white world with the odd snatch of highly-contrasting colour (eventually I realised I was, in reality, simply stepping in and out of a shadow. Terminally good fun, but one thing I noticed then and with subsequent experiences is that it's a very insular drug. I really just want to be around other people who are on the drug, and I find interaction with others to be annoying, confusing or downright scary. Financial transactions are particularly challenging - completely forgetting how money works while trying to buy beer at a bar in Amsterdam is not a particularly pleasant experience.

    LSD is a bit similar to mushrooms but, in my opinion, better. When I was younger, before I was a fiend, I read a few books about psychedelics and developed a powerful desire to try acid, but I couldn't get my hand son it. I'd always hear people on the internet saying "don't worry, acid will come to you," which wasn't very comforting at the time. Then it just...did. I was walking back to my tent at a festival when some Cork lad asked me for a smoke. When he saw I had a full box his eyes lit up and he said “Give me ten of those and you’ll get two of the cleanest hits of acid you’ve ever had in your life, biy.” I don’t really remember the peak – I was probably way too drunk to be taking drugs, to be honest - but a lovely young couple helped me through it. The chick would hold my head and give me a fork massage whenever I sounded distressed, and the lad very generously handed out huge rocks of gorgeous MDMA to me and my mate throughout the night. I kinda started regaining consciousness (albeit utterly drug****ed consciousness) as it was getting bright, and it was just incredible. I know it sounds like a hippie cliché but I’d never realised how beautiful the world was. It was like everything was in HD, the colours and contrasts were just unreal, there were little particles that would float about then just wink out of existence, people’s eyes would constantly shift colour and the fluorescent face paint they were wearing would stream out behind them as walked, and these coloured beams of light, coming from nowhere, were shooting out all around me. It felt as if the dimensional barriers dividing this world and another were breaking down , a world in which magic was very real.

    I will say that acid hs the potential to be dangerous. The visuals are fun, but that’s only half the trip, Acid is a head**** and seriously alters your way of thinking. You’ll often think you have a decent handle on the situation but your idea of what’s going on in your head and what’s going on in reality are often very different things. For example,. Any time I’ve taken the drug I’ve become convinced that absolutely everyone from the country is a traveler. I remember being out of my head at Electric Picnic and seeing all the campervans coming in, and thinking, “Jesus, the itinerants are setting up on site. Have they no shame?” Another drug that’s better suited to a controlled environment, certainly I it’s your first time anyway. I also think it tends to outstay its welcome somewhat. First 6-8 hours arte all fun and games, but eventually it’s like “Alright acid, we’ve had a great time but it’s been 12 hours now and I’d kinda like the walls to stop melting soon, if you don’t mind.”

    Slightly surprised at the lack of mention of 2C-B so far; it’s fairly popular. People often describe it as mix between acid and MDMA. It is and it isn’t, I guess. The visuals are strong aright, and there’s some euphoria, but it lacks the empathy of MDMA and it doesn’t have a headtrip like acid, making it a better party drug than the latter. You’d be in no way “normal,” but it’s not like mushrooms or acid where you’re operating on a completely different to the rest of the world. The first time I bought it I my mates and I though it was ecstasy. I was the first to come up and realise something was off. I will admit I was initially quite alarmed when little toy steam trains started chugging around in my periphery vision, as was my friend who spent 10 minutes observing the whirlpool in his toilet bowl, but we went with the flow and turned it into an enjoyable trip which largely constituted us making up films with pun based-titles for 6 hours or so (a warp in the wardrobe would look a bit like a guitar trying to burst out, and this would lead to “Evil Guitar: An Axe to Grind” and “Evil Guitar 2: A Bone to Pick.” Repeat x100).

    Way too tl;dr already so I’ll just briefly list my experiences with other psychedelics.

    DXM (cough syrup): horrible, mongy and uncomfortable. I can see why noone does this.

    Salvia: Blew everything else I’d done prior out of the water. My mates got the giggles off it. I got transformed into a triangle and sent to some universe that consisted entirely of triangles for a few hundred years (a minute or so in earth-time). To be honest, you can’t even really give a rudimentary description of salvialand with words, because there’s nothing from normal, everday life to compare it against. It’s something you’d have to try yourself to understand – this is true of almost all drugs, but much more so when you get to the WTF level of savlia divinoium. Horrible, evil drug, but admittedly interesting.

    Ketamine: Blew salvia out of the water. I had no idea just how powerful this drug was. I took a horse’s dose at a festival this summer and went right down the K-Hole. I could write a few thousand words on what I experienced, but it would probably be pretty nonsensical to anyone but me and, again, it’s not something you can really explain in writing. Just to give an idea.: I thought I had died, I experienced complete and utter disassociation (forgot I’d ever existed as person), I saw the creation of an entire universe. When I was “reborn” in my tent at the end, I turned to tell my mates what had happened, only to find they had no faces – their eye sockets, noses and mouths were covered completely by skin. This was actually something of relief – it was a horrific sight, sure, but at least it was something I could understand. Head****ery of the highest order, though very interesting. I have no idea how people do this **** for fun.

    Jesus, tl;dr.

    did you get that acid for smokes at the first life festival in gort by any chance?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    eire.man wrote: »
    did you get that acid for smokes at the first life festival in gort by any chance?
    Nah, I've only been to Life Festival the last two years.

    Why do you ask, out of interest?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 232 ✭✭eire.man


    Pace2008 wrote: »
    eire.man wrote: »
    did you get that acid for smokes at the first life festival in gort by any chance?
    Nah, I've only been to Life Festival the last two years.

    Why do you ask, out of interest?

    ah cos I heard that story after first life in gort too, I've not surprised the same thing happened at more than one life fest tbh haha ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Domo230 wrote: »
    As someone who had his eyesight damaged and spent a year feeling like reality wasn't real (or that I was becoming schizophrenic) because of a single joint I will stay far away from any of this stuff. (Yes I am serious)
    I am not a gambler but I would bet my life that a single cannabis joint did not damage your eyesight. Some have even used it to treat glaucoma (an eye disorder).

    If it did you damage it probably wasn't the cannabis doing it, you could have been smoking anything (like idiots who think they are addicted to cannabis but fail to mention that they ALWAYS smoke it with the most addictive substance known to mankind:rolleyes:). If it did cause eye damage I can assure you that you would have heard about it by now, the prohibitionists have been trying to find harmful effects for decades and failing miserably.


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