Yes Violence is bad, this story is sickening etc but...

ejmaztec · 07-12-2011 02:13PM

Had it not been for the video, the guy would have been given ten years for beating up his girlfriend and the Somali girls who came to her assistance.

el sorcerino · 07-12-2011 02:15PM

Good God, or Allah, or Jehova, or Jebus or whatever....
Regardless of race or colour, if those animals did that to my girlfriend I would bring down an almighty whooping on them. I'm aware of sounding like a 'windows warrior' here but after watching the video I can quite safely say that any man worth his weight should be confident enough in being able to administer swift justice to that scum!
Fair enough, he tried to do the chivalrous thing and protect her (badly) for a while but when he realised that wasn't working he really should have brought out the big guns.
I also understand that he was wielding a double edged sword but I mean, in a fight or flight scenario isn't protection our first basic purpose to the female sex? 'Himself' falling on his snot whilst trying to punch a preoccupied woman and trotting around panting in exhaustion wont fill her with confidence for when she finally feels ready to go out again.

wes · 07-12-2011 02:19PM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

They have a link to a video of the attack (the joys of getting assaulted in England is it will probably end up on the internet) so you can decide for yourself if you feel the attack was unwarranted.

After watching the video i find the idea that they were let off without a sentence to be jokes.

I am not disputing the attack. Just that the daily mail have a habit of either making stuff up, or exagerting things. So they have earned a healthy amount of distrust on anything they report on.

Seachmall · 07-12-2011 02:26PM

wes wrote: »

I am not disputing the attack. Just that the daily mail have a habit of either making stuff up, or exagerting things. So they have earned a healthy amount of distrust on anything they report on.

I don't think they'd go as far as to make a quote up and say a judge said it, particularly in such a controversial case.

A shitstorm would be brought.

Fear Uladh · 07-12-2011 02:28PM

Then again, if the BF did indeed give them an almighty baytin, we would be reading a very different headline.

"Thug beats up defenseless Muslim women, gets 1000 years in prison"

steel_spine · 07-12-2011 02:32PM

I'm confused as to how apparently you get to use your religion as a defence for doing something appalling, when the reason you did it was something against the tenets of your religion. They clearly don't hold their religion THAT dearly if they got drunk in the first place, Muslims are meant to strictly abstain from alcohol, aren't they?

wes · 07-12-2011 02:34PM

Seachmall wrote: »

I don't think they'd go as far as to make a quote up and say a judge said it, particularly in such a controversial case.

A shitstorm would be brought.

Wouldn't surprise me if they did personally, as they have been caught out a few times making stuff up.

danniemcq · 07-12-2011 02:54PM

Fear Uladh wrote: »

Then again, if the BF did indeed give them an almighty baytin, we would be reading a very different headline.

"Thug beats up defenseless Muslim women, gets 1000 years in prison"

in the Daily Mail? hardly! they'd try and give him a knighthood

Adamisconfused · 07-12-2011 02:59PM

steel_spine wrote: »

I'm confused as to how apparently you get to use your religion as a defence for doing something appalling, when the reason you did it was something against the tenets of your religion. They clearly don't hold their religion THAT dearly if they got drunk in the first place, Muslims are meant to strictly abstain from alcohol, aren't they?

Judges seem to look for an excuse not to send someone to prison. If it isn't race or religion as in this instance, it'll be because some scumbag with eighty previous convictions claimed he was beaten as a kid on a regular basis by his father or he is a recovering druggie.

Duggy747 · 07-12-2011 03:08PM

Pathetic sentence which only serves to give anti-muslim folk ammunition.

Video actually enraged me considering how they were let go on such a weak defence for doing such a thing. They even had the disgusting cheek to throw out the racial card at the BF which was at least dismissed.

3 non-religious (or of a different religion) girls attack a couple would be seeing them get some sort of slap on the wrist. Religion should never be used as a defence in court in relation to violence.

castie · 07-12-2011 03:31PM

Duggy747 wrote: »

Pathetic sentence which only serves to give anti-muslim folk ammunition.

Video actually enraged me considering how they were let go on such a weak defence for doing such a thing. They even had the disgusting cheek to throw out the racial card at the BF which was at least dismissed.

3 non-religious (or of a different religion) girls attack a couple would be seeing them get some sort of slap on the wrist. Religion should never be used as a defence in court in relation to violence.

Duggy we all know you have bias when it comes to being attacked by maniacs!

This reminded me of the cross dressing cage fighter incident.

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/748957-cross-dressing-cage-fighters-beat-up-attackers

Its a great watch but need to try slow mo the actual hits.

Dudess · 07-12-2011 11:42PM

Had they been non muslim women I reckon they'd have been sent down. Had they been non muslim men I'm certain they'd have been sent down. This is just going to cause further divisions. It's unequal treatment.
That said though, there are dicks everywhere who behave this appallingly - their religion, gender, ethnicity, colour does not need to be brought into it, and it looks thick to do so.

Father Damo · 08-12-2011 06:05AM

saintsaltynuts wrote: »

Somalians are usually black yes?If that had of been four British White Girls the book would of been thrown at them.

Lets be honest, they probably wouldnt have. In all truth it is pretty hard for women to get themselves sent to prison regardless of race. Although it is poor form given that clearly mentally ill woman has been locked up on remand for talking sh1te on a train.

danniemcq · 08-12-2011 09:21AM

Father Damo wrote: »

Lets be honest, they probably wouldnt have. In all truth it is pretty hard for women to get themselves sent to prison regardless of race. Although it is poor form given that clearly mentally ill woman has been locked up on remand for talking sh1te on a train.

Understate much?

what makes you think she is mentally unstable? that shes a vile racist? yeah ok i could agree with that but just calling what she was doing talking sh*te is completly wrong. She tried to lay out her points failing as she went and prison is the right place for her. That was racial harrasment pure and simple.

I'm pretty sure you are wrong on women getting sent to prison too, i will admit that the judge may go easier on some women for lessor crimes when a young family are involved too, but saying its pretty hard for women to be sent to prison? Sure why don't more women get into crime? The population in prisons are skewed for no other reason than guys commit more violent and evil crimes generally.

Father Damo · 08-12-2011 09:32AM

danniemcq wrote: »

Understate much?

what makes you think she is mentally unstable? that shes a vile racist?

The rambling incoherence of the whole rant? Pathetic really. Not long ago I read about a teenager who was jailed for raping an 11 year old- at the time of that attack he was on bail for a seperate attack in which he dragged another young girl down, broke her jaw with a box and raped her.

A mentally ill woman on a train gets remanded for talking a bit of rubbish. A suspected rapist gets bail to do the same again. Some country the UK is.

I'm pretty sure you are wrong on women getting sent to prison too, i will admit that the judge may go easier on some women for lessor crimes when a young family are involved too, but saying its pretty hard for women to be sent to prison? Sure why don't more women get into crime? The population in prisons are skewed for no other reason than guys commit more violent and evil crimes generally.

How many times have you seen suspended sentences given to women for crimes like fraud and embezzlement? Often when a male co conspirator gets sent down for the same one.

Hobbes · 08-12-2011 10:00AM

Duggy747 wrote: »

Video actually enraged me considering how they were let go on such a weak defence for doing such a thing.

They weren't let go. They got suspended sentences. Which if they are animals like they acted in the video, they will be seeing the inside of a jail cell real soon. One is on Curfew as well.

Personally I don't think the Muslim part should have even been a factor in the ruling. I am sure there were more factors involved (eg. If they were in trouble with the law before or not).

Also the video is taking from where they start the attack, which puts the whole incident slightly out of context. From reading a few articles it appears they were provoked by the BF (but this still doesn't justify the attack at all).

danniemcq · 08-12-2011 10:07AM

Father Damo wrote: »

The rambling incoherence of the whole rant? Pathetic really. Not long ago I read about a teenager who was jailed for raping an 11 year old- at the time of that attack he was on bail for a seperate attack in which he dragged another young girl down, broke her jaw with a box and raped her.

A mentally ill woman on a train gets remanded for talking a bit of rubbish. A suspected rapist gets bail to do the same again. Some country the UK is.

sorry whats your point? nobody should be released on bail? how has that got anything to do with this thread/story. you could easily find hundreds of drimes that have been commited while the accused was on bail. And again calling racial hatred "talking a bit of rubbish" is crazy. i'm delighted she is behind bars and i actually hope they take the kid off her. Raising a kid in an enviorment so filled with hate is a crime too

Father Damo wrote: »

How many times have you seen suspended sentences given to women for crimes like fraud and embezzlement? Often when a male co conspirator gets sent down for the same one.

very few!

08-12-2011 10:19AM

How can the UK expect multiculturalism to work if their own courts can't treat everyone equally.. Their defence could be used by anyone. "I dont normally drink and I went a bit mad.. Sorry bout that."

Macken200 · 08-12-2011 10:49AM

danniemcq wrote: »

And again calling racial hatred "talking a bit of rubbish" is crazy. i'm delighted she is behind bars and i actually hope they take the kid off her. Raising a kid in an enviorment so filled with hate is a crime too

Are you for real..saying 'go back to your own country' merits her having her kids taken off her..Christ! if she said something serious ye'd be calling for her to hung on the nearest lampost..here! i've an idea why don't ye give her kids to the girl in the following video, I'm sure she talks the talk you want her kids to hear !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSfWVgCl_bo

danniemcq · 08-12-2011 10:55AM

yes you're right lets raise kids in an enviorment where they are brought up horrible racists like their parents, bringing the cycle of hatred round and round.

What chance has that kid got really? you think thats a healthy for him?

and it doesn't have to mean drop him off at the nearest christian house and leave him there but there are other family members that could be guardians for the child allowing visits by the mother. If she cops on and realises the error in her ways then there is course for appeal.

a win win all round?

edit: youtube is blocked here so can't see what the video is, anyone able to give description?

Seachmall · 08-12-2011 11:02AM

danniemcq wrote: »

but there are other family members that could be guardians for the child allowing visits by the mother. If she cops on and realises the error in her ways then there is course for appeal.

But what if the family have similar opinions?

If it was as easy as putting them in a new home we wouldn't have a need for group homes and the likes.

Also, removing kids from their parents because the parents hold controversial opinions* is a slippery slope (as much as I hate that phrase).

*Controversial opinions may be an understatement but ultimately that's all they are.

danniemcq · 08-12-2011 11:19AM

Seachmall wrote: »

But what if the family have similar opinions?

If it was as easy as putting them in a new home we wouldn't have a need for group homes and the likes.

Also, removing kids from their parents because the parents hold controversial opinions* is a slippery slope (as much as I hate that phrase).

*Controversial opinions may be an understatement but ultimately that's all they are.

i get where you are coming from but i have to say that if the entire family is like that does it not show that its not a good enviorment for the child?

i know peoples opinions on controlversial differ greatly but there are a few topics that people all agree on and racial hatred is one of them i think

ringadingding · 08-12-2011 11:19AM

I saw this on youtube yesterday, and from my experience growing up in London, females can be proper nasty bitches

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4wZwGVglyg

Dboy85 · 08-12-2011 12:01PM

Never mind what Jebus said. Aggression should be met with aggression regardless of race or gender. Turn the cheek lark gets ya stabbed.

Seachmall · 08-12-2011 12:07PM

ringadingding wrote: »

I saw this on youtube yesterday, and from my experience growing up in London, females can be proper nasty bitches

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4wZwGVglyg

Let me buy that man beer, kept his cool and got the girl out of the firing line when most would have taken that cunt off the bus and beaten her into a coma.

Dboy85 · 08-12-2011 12:36PM

Seachmall wrote: »

Let me buy that man beer, kept his cool and got the girl out of the firing line when most would have taken that cunt off the bus and beaten her into a coma.

He's a real hero, a hero with no iphone, ipod and lets people kick him in the face. I bet he's a whitesnake fan.

drdeadlift · 08-12-2011 12:44PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

There's video here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2070562/Muslim-girl-gang-kicked-Rhea-Page-head-yelling-kill-white-slag-FREED.html

I watched it wondering what the boyfriend did. I don't know what went on before the incident.

But I would say he gave a fairly decent show of himself against what can only be described as a bunch of savage, witches. He tried to block them off, fend them off and eventually was full out punching. But can you imagine the scrawwwwling you'd get from those wans. They just kept getting back up and coming at them.

An attack like that deserves jailtime....end of.

Their hight coverage cctv system isn't worth a fidlers when justice cant be maintained..

Macken200 · 08-12-2011 12:53PM

danniemcq wrote: »

yes you're right lets raise kids in an enviorment where they are brought up horrible racists like their parents, bringing the cycle of hatred round and round.

What chance has that kid got really? you think thats a healthy for him?

and it doesn't have to mean drop him off at the nearest christian house and leave him there but there are other family members that could be guardians for the child allowing visits by the mother. If she cops on and realises the error in her ways then there is course for appeal.

a win win all round?

edit: youtube is blocked here so can't see what the video is, anyone able to give description?

Multi-culture as its called is not for everyone, there are many many people that want no part of it and do not feel a particular kinship with the recent arrivals.She is entitled to raise her kids anyway she pleases. It is actually quiet normal for her to want to remain part of her own social group and if her children follow that path that will also be normal.I think that kid has every chance,Why wouldn't he? if he does well at school and decides that he does not want to integrate,he should have no problems,although he more than likely will have to integrate on a passing level.

Again ,I see no errors in her ways, if she doesn't want to integrate , that is her choice...she showed poor judgement in voicing her opinions on a tram full of people but in all reality what she said was not that bad,certainly not a valid reason for taking her kids off her and placing them with others, that scenario would almost certainly be very damaging to them.She is not mentally ill as a lot of you have been saying ,she was certainly very angry and anger can make you look and act irrationally, but all in all no valid reason for her kids to be taken.

keano_afc · 08-12-2011 12:55PM

And people wonder why the likes of the BNP and EDL get so much support? its a sickening thing to watch, and the fear of upsetting Muslims in the UK has gotten completely out of hand.

Korvanica · 08-12-2011 12:57PM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

It'd be windmill time if anyone set on my girlfriend like that.

Not hitting a girl goes out the window when people act like savages.

I was thinking the same thing, if this happened my GF I would treat these women like any attacker, and do my best to make sure they'll need some sort of surgery.

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