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UL library extension

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  • #32
    constantg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭constantg


    mayo_lad wrote: »
    there are coninual inprovments been made to the main building and new buildings to inprove there energy efficencys inclosed is a presintation given to my class by the Energy Manager in ul who is responable for these inprovments


    IS that a yes or an 'I don't really know' so?


  • #33
    mayo_lad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭mayo_lad


    constantg wrote: »
    IS that a yes or an 'I don't really know' so?

    that;s a I don't know but they are making inprovments in genral and it will depend on the pay back time to wheather the windows are replaced :P is that good enough for you

    Constant G .


  • #34
    highlydebased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,477 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    Energy improvements is one thing, but provision of an adequate number of fit for purpose study spaces (i.e not red raisin) and round the clock computer access for ALL regardless of course are the changes students will notice.


  • #35
    ninty9er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    I got part of the way through this. The University has funded the North Campus through associated companies and loans secured by those associated companies.

    Academic buildings under construction or to be constructed:
    Medical School (completion 2012)
    PESS Building reconfiguration (completion 2012)
    MSSI Phase 2 (at planning stage - construction 2013)
    Another academic building that I cannot name due to confidentiality of committees (planning 2013- construction 2013/2014)

    Library Phase 2 was axed by the department of Public Expenditure in its Spending Review last month. The University was never asked to pay for it, it was never in the capital budget, what's more it was a PPP giving the state even less ammunition for axing.

    Just because you can't see work being done to resolve the situation doesn't mean that it isn't, in fact I believe the President emailed the entire campus community on the issue.

    The main building, whilst a monstrosity is structurally sound, practically laid out and better than a hell of a lot of facilities I've seen elsewhere. This doen not mean there aren't better, it just me saying "it was build in the 80s and hasn't been reglazed as the cost to do so would build a number of buildings, not least the Library extension.

    It would not be possible to glaze even one block of the main building without significant grant aid as has been outlined by mayo_lad. Some people just have no concept of money:rolleyes:


  • #36
    OhMSGlive
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭OhMSGlive


    ninty9er wrote: »
    Just because you can't see work being done to resolve the situation doesn't mean that it isn't, in fact I believe the President emailed the entire campus community on the issue.

    Did he? I don't recall getting that email.


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  • #37
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    ninty9er wrote: »
    I got part of the way through this.

    Thanks for your response, i know you're busy with all that study for precious exams you're doing.

    The University has funded the North Campus through associated companies and loans secured by those associated companies.

    Why didn't the university have the foresight to have a contingency plan in case govt funding fell through? Did they just assume they could keep putting their hand out and in these times, still get free money. Why wasn't some scheme thought up similar to the north campus stuff?
    Just because you can't see work being done to resolve the situation doesn't mean that it isn't, in fact I believe the President emailed the entire campus community on the issue
    .

    You can't make allusions to things like that. What have the SU done on this? What have they actually done. Show and tell.
    The main building, whilst a monstrosity is structurally sound, practically laid out and better than a hell of a lot of facilities I've seen elsewhere.

    Yes it's a building, those are reasonable characteristics of a building. Well done architects.
    This doen not mean there aren't better, it just me saying "it was build in the 80s and hasn't been reglazed as the cost to do so would build a number of buildings, not least the Library extension.

    It's extremely dated and it shows. There are buildings 100s of years old in other campuses in ireland that aren't as inappropriate for lectures as the main building.
    It would not be possible to glaze even one block of the main building without significant grant aid as has been outlined by mayo_lad. Some people just have no concept of money:rolleyes:

    I forgot you're an expert in accounting. Why wasn't the glazing done properly in the first instance. Why wasn't sound proofing done. It's actually ridiculous and then people like you, SU president are just saying "ah sure we did our best we just don't have the funds to be better than a 3rd rate institution". I wonder how much use your defeatist attitude is on academic council meetings.


  • #38
    mayo_lad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭mayo_lad


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    Thanks for your response, i know you're busy with all that study for precious exams you're doing.
    wow sarcasm:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
    Why didn't the university have the foresight to have a contingency plan in case govt funding fell through? Did they just assume they could keep putting their hand out and in these times, still get free money. Why wasn't some scheme thought up similar to the north campus stuff?
    Like what do tell us what brilliance your mind can come up with to solve the problem, I would presume that the library extension would be one of the next capital projects to start once funding is available your post screams of a babies attitude of I want I want I want , grow up and realise that it takes year's to build up the money for a project like the library extension sure the north campus pitches have been in planing since before I came to UL 4 years ago
    Yes it's a building, those are reasonable characteristics of a building. Well done architects.

    i've seen much worse designs to be honest it may be plane, but it the design of that building was made by figuring out the most amount of square foot the college could get for there money ; due to the rate at which the college was growing :eek::rolleyes:

    It's extremely dated and it shows. There are buildings 100s of years old in other campuses in ireland that aren't as inappropriate for lectures as the main building.

    Give me a few examples then :rolleyes:
    I forgot you're an expert in accounting. Why wasn't the glazing done properly in the first instance. Why wasn't sound proofing done. It's actually ridiculous and then people like you, SU president are just saying "ah sure we did our best we just don't have the funds to be better than a 3rd rate institution". I wonder how much use your defeatist attitude is on academic council meetings.

    As was pointed out the main building was built in the 1980's when 1 single glazing was the accepted normality, the sound proofing is a non issue there are one or 2 lecture halls which could do with a more sound proofing in the B block but that is caused by the glazing.

    personally I don't see what your gripe is with the building i know it's not as aesthetically as some of the other building's on campus but it is still fit for purpose unlike the Pess building was and let me see what's currently happing to the oldest part of that building O Ya it's being replaced .:rolleyes:


  • #39
    freyners
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭freyners


    for a man who crys about personal abuse sid you dont seem to mind giving it out:rolleyes:
    Why wasn't some scheme thought up similar to the north campus stuff?
    your comparing two radically different projects. A commercially viable one that sees instant cash flows and one that you dont expect a cash flow from (except maybe a small rise in student numbers)

    Therefore when you source funding for the projects you pitching to two drastically different investors. The Private sector will generally only look at one that sees financial returns immediately or that forecasts substantive returns in the future. How do you pitch a library to them sid, where is the money in it, the return?etc etc There is none unless you charge extra for the use of the library, you start doing that and it becomes financially unviable for the university and the students

    Therefore library project you looking at different people altogether, philanthropists like Chuck Feeney, chartiable donations or government funding.

    so its almost impossible to get the same/similar type of funding scheme
    Why didn't the university have the foresight to have a contingency plan in case govt funding fell through
    where else are they going to get funding from Sid? if you can name someone whos is willing to spent millions on the library without a single penny in profit back by all means, please tell us, or better yet John Fox or the don himself

    oh course, in hindsight this easy to say. But if you were the manager of a project and they are the only one in town offering, do you accept the offer in hopes of them being faithful to their commitments or do you say no thanks im not going to accept in case you break your word bearing in mind that if they do drop out it is them who bear the costs, not you

    I agree in that a big public show over it should not have been made considering the state of public finances, it was always a threat of funding being pulled



    To be honest Sid, you have a bigger problem with UL than what you having being saying on boards and its neatly summed up by you saying this
    a 3rd rate institution
    your words, no one elses
    if this is your perception, why are you here and why dont you move to somewhere that fits your standards?


  • #40
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    mayo_lad wrote: »
    wow sarcasm:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


    Like what do tell us what brilliance your mind can come up with to solve the problem, I would presume that the library extension would be one of the next capital projects to start once funding is available your post screams of a babies attitude of I want I want I want , grow up and realise that it takes year's to build up the money for a project like the library extension sure the north campus pitches have been in planing since before I came to UL 4 years ago



    i've seen much worse designs to be honest it may be plane, but it the design of that building was made by figuring out the most amount of square foot the college could get for there money ; due to the rate at which the college was growing :eek::rolleyes:




    Give me a few examples then :rolleyes:



    As was pointed out the main building was built in the 1980's when 1 single glazing was the accepted normality, the sound proofing is a non issue there are one or 2 lecture halls which could do with a more sound proofing in the B block but that is caused by the glazing.

    personally I don't see what your gripe is with the building i know it's not as aesthetically as some of the other building's on campus but it is still fit for purpose unlike the Pess building was and let me see what's currently happing to the oldest part of that building O Ya it's being replaced .:rolleyes:

    Find it hard to believe you're in your fourth year of university education and you haven't discovered the correct use of the apostrophe.


  • #41
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    freyners wrote: »
    your words, no one elses
    if this is your perception, why are you here and why dont you move to somewhere that fits your standards?

    Ivy-league and Oxbridge / Imperial London are first rate.
    TCD / UCD are second rate.
    UL are third rate.


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  • #42
    mayo_lad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭mayo_lad


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    Find it hard to believe you're in your fourth year of university education and you haven't discovered the correct use of the apostrophe.

    So your not going to argue the point's I made your just going to be a grammar Nazi. If you must know i'm dyslexic so all grammar related issues with my post don't actually bother me much but thank's for proof reading it :D:D:D:D:D


  • #43
    freyners
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭freyners


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    Ivy-league and Oxbridge / Imperial London are first rate.
    TCD / UCD are second rate.
    UL are third rate.

    not my point, my point is that if that is your perception, move there so

    also this
    Find it hard to believe you're in your fourth year of university education and you haven't discovered the correct use of the apostrophe.

    *yawn*


  • #44
    Agent_99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 918 ✭✭✭Agent_99


    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS8k-R7nGoopsWeLGhApHBQD0Z6dxt8IlxbL7vMOWn3B2elhvKk8r426h1A

    Sid

    Quit disrespecting our University!
    If you dislike so much about UL why are you still here? Surely you could request a transfer to a wonderful Utopian university out there somewhere, who have expansive library facilities. No sporting activities, god forbid that students enjoy themselves when they are young. But i am sure that you are a well balanced young man because you have a chip on both shoulders.


  • #45
    cson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,543 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    Ivy-league and Oxbridge / Imperial London are first rate.
    TCD / UCD are second rate.
    UL are third rate.

    Ah the good old Sid_Justice Higher Education rankings.

    Every year I wait with bated breath for them to come out.


  • #46
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    mayo_lad wrote: »
    So your not going to argue the point's I made your just going to be a grammar Nazi. If you must know i'm dyslexic so all grammar related issues with my post don't actually bother me much but thank's for proof reading it :D:D:D:D:D

    How come you words are spelt correctly but you just choose the wrong ones. Sounds to be you're trying to blame dyslexia for your laziness. I think it's unfortunate because there are many people out there with genuine dyslexia that have genuine struggles with higher education due to their learning. These people don't access to as much educational psychology etc. because there are too many plonkers in the system who are too lazy to learn to spell and use correct grammar.

    Mayo lad you didn't offer any interesting points. You just offered explanations that you thought off the top of your head. You're rationalising the weaknesses of the main building.

    Main building has poor insulation and sound proofing - but that's ok it was built 30 years ago when Ireland was basically a third world country and we didn't invest soundly in those 'advanced technologies'. That's your point.


  • #47
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    freyners wrote: »
    not my point, my point is that if that is your perception, move there so

    also this


    *yawn*

    What is your perception? Do you think UL belongs in the top 100 universities in the world, despite not having a sufficient library.


  • #48
    CiaranMT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    Thanks for your response, i know you're busy with all that study for precious exams you're doing.




    Why didn't the university have the foresight to have a contingency plan in case govt funding fell through? Did they just assume they could keep putting their hand out and in these times, still get free money. Why wasn't some scheme thought up similar to the north campus stuff?

    .

    You can't make allusions to things like that. What have the SU done on this? What have they actually done. Show and tell.



    Yes it's a building, those are reasonable characteristics of a building. Well done architects.



    It's extremely dated and it shows. There are buildings 100s of years old in other campuses in ireland that aren't as inappropriate for lectures as the main building.



    I forgot you're an expert in accounting. Why wasn't the glazing done properly in the first instance. Why wasn't sound proofing done. It's actually ridiculous and then people like you, SU president are just saying "ah sure we did our best we just don't have the funds to be better than a 3rd rate institution". I wonder how much use your defeatist attitude is on academic council meetings.
    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    Find it hard to believe you're in your fourth year of university education and you haven't discovered the correct use of the apostrophe.
    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    Ivy-league and Oxbridge / Imperial London are first rate.
    TCD / UCD are second rate.
    UL are third rate.
    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    How come you words are spelt correctly but you just choose the wrong ones. Sounds to be you're trying to blame dyslexia for your laziness. I think it's unfortunate because there are many people out there with genuine dyslexia that have genuine struggles with higher education due to their learning. These people don't access to as much educational psychology etc. because there are too many plonkers in the system who are too lazy to learn to spell and use correct grammar.

    Mayo lad you didn't offer any interesting points. You just offered explanations that you thought off the top of your head. You're rationalising the weaknesses of the main building.

    Main building has poor insulation and sound proofing - but that's ok it was built 30 years ago when Ireland was basically a third world country and we didn't invest soundly in those 'advanced technologies'. That's your point.
    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    What is your perception? Do you think UL belongs in the top 100 universities in the world, despite not having a sufficient library.

    so%2Bthere.jpg


  • #49
    freyners
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭freyners


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    What is your perception? Do you think UL belongs in the top 100 universities in the world, despite not having a sufficient library.


    top 100, nope. If they were to compile a list of universities that i can attend for less that €3000 im sure it would be
    then again i would rather go to somewhere that gives me the skills i need for the job i hope to do (for instance, being able to tell why funding a sports area is different from funding a library) and sells itself on its own merits (top class sports facilities, employment rate of 80-90%+ for my course, 8 month work experience with a high number of the course offered training contracts upon completion) than somewhere that sells itself by saying were in the top 100. When i chose UL they offered in my opinion, the best degree for my requirements.

    Main building, bar the Jean Monnet being used as a lecture hall, i have no issues with. It has chairs, a desk a projector and a white/blackboards, im happy. (then again i'm easily satisfied and try and make the best out of every situation) Not very energy efficient and i hope this will change but never have any problems heating wise (actually its they are too warm for me [jean monnett, foundation building lecture rooms besides the concert hall, kemmy tutorial rooms]
    Library, there is not one library in Ireland that has sufficient study spaces for students and having been in several you are well aware of this. the resources, especially the databases are fantastic (for what im doing anyways)

    so thats my perceptions
    so my question again. If you see it as third rate, why are you still here


  • #50
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    So essentially you chose UL because it was convenient to attend and it was cheap. You should write the marketing brochures for the college

    "Come to UL, where the beer is cheap, the women are easy, and you'll get a job earning 25k with your degree"


  • #51
    CiaranMT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    So essentially you chose UL because it was convenient to attend and it was cheap. You should write the marketing brochures for the college

    "Come to UL, where the beer is cheap, the women are easy, and you'll get a job earning 25k with your degree"

    Why're you here again?


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  • #52
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    same as everyone else. That's how the cookie crumbled.


  • #53
    CiaranMT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,093 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    same as everyone else.

    Sorry, what? Who is everyone? Gawd. So you want to be a crony now? Is that it?
    That's how the cookie crumbled.

    Ah, it's biscuit around these parts. None of that fancy Americanised synonymity please and thank you.


  • #54
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    With the exception of people who live in Castletroy, get their washing done by their mother, get their dinners cooked by their mother and get lifts into town off their daddies I'd be surprised if there was anyone in UL who had UL as their first preference on their CAO.


  • #55
    OhMSGlive
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭OhMSGlive


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    With the exception of people who live in Castletroy, get their washing done by their mother, get their dinners cooked by their mother and get lifts into town off their daddies I'd be surprised if there was anyone in UL who had UL as their first preference on their CAO.

    Excuse me? I had.


  • #56
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    what course do u do?


  • #57
    OhMSGlive
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭OhMSGlive


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    what course do u do?

    Music, Media and Performance Technology.


  • #58
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    Sounds like a made up course name. Looks like multimedia in dcu but with more music.


  • #59
    OhMSGlive
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭OhMSGlive


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    Sounds like a made up course name.

    You were saying?
    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    Looks like multimedia in dcu but with more music.

    Could possibly be. I dunno.


  • #60
    wnolan1992
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,009 ✭✭✭✭wnolan1992


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    With the exception of people who live in Castletroy, get their washing done by their mother, get their dinners cooked by their mother and get lifts into town off their daddies I'd be surprised if there was anyone in UL who had UL as their first preference on their CAO.

    Congratulations Sid, you've outdone yourself this time. The award for most r******d comment on the internet 2011 is in the bag I'd say.

    What exactly are you basing this on? The fact that you don't like UL? I suppose the engineering students that I know for a fact break their hole trying to get in to the engineering department here don't really want to go here at all?

    I had UL as my first choice. And so did a lot of people I know, so I don't know why you'd be surprised.


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  • #61
    reunion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,334 ✭✭✭reunion


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    With the exception of people who live in Castletroy, get their washing done by their mother, get their dinners cooked by their mother and get lifts into town off their daddies I'd be surprised if there was anyone in UL who had UL as their first preference on their CAO.

    you must be so surprised sid
    wnolan1992 wrote: »
    Congratulations Sid, you've outdone yourself this time. The award for most r******d comment on the internet 2011 is in the bag I'd say.

    What exactly are you basing this on? The fact that you don't like UL? I suppose the engineering students that I know for a fact break their hole trying to get in to the engineering department here don't really want to go here at all?

    I had UL as my first choice. And so did a lot of people I know, so I don't know why you'd be surprised.

    I'd say alot of his comments could also make the top of the list too.


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