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Do You Have To Tell A Guard.......

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  • #32
    paddyandy
    Site Banned Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭paddyandy


    Guards have to act occasionally on the slightest and remotest suspicions i'm sure they don't get so bored that they are interested in casual small talk.It's not a job to get bored with.Everyone complains when there is no garda presence in times of trouble.So support them with courtesy anyway.


  • #33
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    So what happens if I say 'sorry but what seems to be the problem'?

    Can they lie?


  • #34
    phantom_lord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    LaFlammeRouge wrote: »
    Say Nothing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

    That's not relevant for Ireland though.


  • #35
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    So what happens if I say 'sorry but what seems to be the problem'?

    Can they lie?

    anyone can lie.


  • #36
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    It's amazing from the replies so far that some people are prepared to accept such intrusion. I think it is completely unacceptable personally.


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  • #37
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Just tell the guard that you're going round to his house to piss through his letter-box and smash all his windows.


  • #38
    LaFlammeRouge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 177 ✭✭LaFlammeRouge


    phantom_lord wrote: »
    That's not relevant for Ireland though.

    Why exactly?


  • #39
    LighterGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭LighterGuy


    The amount of people that rationalise a garda's behaviour on here is sickening :rolleyes:

    Gardai are like regular people. Some good. Some bad. You cant rationalise the latter tho. Theres a good percentage of Gardai who are just dicks. Now, the job can turn many a person that way. That I understand. But others just get a power stroke and be dicks without reason.

    But on here, we seem to rationalise all as one. That being "they're all good" :rolleyes:


  • #40
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    hondasam wrote: »
    anyone can lie.

    Okay... is a cop on the beat allowed to lie to a civilian or is he required to be truthful by nature of his work?


  • #41
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    LighterGuy wrote: »
    ...... :rolleyes:........
    ................................... :rolleyes:

    That fucking smiley.


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  • #42
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Okay... is a cop on the beat allowed to lie to a civilian or is he required to be truthful by nature of his work?

    What do you mean by lying? he/she is not obliged to tell you about his job or what it is he is doing.
    If you ask him his name he is obliged to give it to you.


  • #43
    LighterGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭LighterGuy


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    That fucking smiley.

    .. is awesome. I agree.


  • #44
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    LighterGuy wrote: »
    The amount of people that rationalise a garda's behaviour on here is sickening :rolleyes:

    Gardai are like regular people. Some good. Some bad. You cant rationalise the latter tho. Theres a good percentage of Gardai who are just dicks. Now, the job can turn many a person that way. That I understand. But others just get a power stroke and be dicks without reason.

    But on here, we seem to rationalise all as one. That being "they're all good" :rolleyes:

    Okay then, they just want to provoke someone so they can beat the lard out of them.


  • #45
    Iang87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭Iang87


    I for one do tell them where i'm going simply cos i couldn't be arsed arguing when i'm driving at like one in the morning. After a few pints anyway all i wanna do is go home :p


  • #46
    Pete M.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Pete M.


    If you're so perplexed OP, then you should just tell them.

    otherwise, just be cool brother :cool:


  • #47
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    LighterGuy wrote: »
    .. is awesome. I agree.

    Hmmmm


  • #48
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,321 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58HJPiigxR0

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #49
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    hondasam wrote: »
    What do you mean by lying? he/she is not obliged to tell you about his job or what it is he is doing.
    If you ask him his name he is obliged to give it to you.


    Okay HS just for you.

    Cop: Where are you heading to Sir?

    Me: What seems to be the problem officer?

    Cop: ................


    Fill in the blanks.


  • #50
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Okay HS just for you.

    Cop: Where are you heading to Sir?

    Me: What seems to be the problem officer?

    Cop: ................


    Fill in the blanks.

    After my job are ya, I will ask the questions, now where you heading SIR:pac:


  • #51
    phantom_lord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭phantom_lord


    LaFlammeRouge wrote: »
    Why exactly?

    Because instead of having the equivalent of the fifth amendment in Ireland we have this.


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  • #52
    LighterGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭LighterGuy


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Hmmmm

    I have no come back.
    Well played Chuck. Well played.
    Until we meet again :mad:


  • #53
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    hondasam wrote: »
    After my job are ya, I will ask the questions, now where you heading SIR:pac:

    What seem to be the problem Ma'am? :pac:



    I really would like an answer to my question though.


  • #54
    LighterGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,243 ✭✭✭LighterGuy


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    Okay then, they just want to provoke someone so they can beat the lard out of them.

    1st, dont know how you automatically come to that judgement
    2nd, ever hear of being a dick because you can?
    3rd, ever hear of power trip?

    you honestly saying that you've never, ever had a person in your life who was in 'power' be rude, a dick (etc) to you? be it a manager, supervisor, bouncer etc? .. you saying that such a thing does not exist?


  • #55
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    What seem to be the problem Ma'am? :pac:



    I really would like an answer to my question though.

    I would imagine every cop will have a different reply but along the lines of ''there is no problem sir just routine question''. That would probably cause annoyance and more questions.

    Have you ever been stopped at a check point?


  • #56
    Abi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    hondasam wrote: »
    Freddie59 wrote: »
    ...........where you are going? If there is one thing that really irks me it's when they stop you in your car and ask "where are you going". Then you tell them and they ask you "where are you coming from".

    If I'm behaving suspiciously I can understand it, but when you're out for a Sunday afternoon drive or such it seems intrusive to put it mildly.

    They can ask the question but you don't have to tell them the truth. It's not as if they will know you are lying.
    Do they ask this question during the day?
    If they smell bull they will dig deeper. This obviously won't effect someone with all their credentials in order, and presumably without drink on board. I'd imagine it's more commonly asked of motorists late at night, so smart arsed 'I'm on the way to mass' will cost you more time with them, or more if your window badges aren't in order.

    Just answer the Garda honestly, and you'll be on your way. Hesitation invites suspicion.


  • #57
    dashboard_hula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭dashboard_hula


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    It's amazing from the replies so far that some people are prepared to accept such intrusion. I think it is completely unacceptable personally.

    It's not an intrusion. It's an informal and non-threatening way of assessing your behaviour and reaction to questioning without literally going "Are you drunk?" "Are you stoned?" "Did you rob that house back there?". The guard also somehow manages to check your windscreen, ensure that there isn't a kidnap victim in the boot, and that you're not trying to hid a bloody knife in the glove compartment. That's the purpose of a checkpoint.

    Of all the things I don't want to tell a Garda, (including why there's a carpark ticket "accidentally" obscuring my tax disc), where I'm going and where I've come from isn't one of them.


  • #58
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Abi wrote: »
    If they smell bull they will dig deeper. This obviously won't effect someone with all their credentials in order, and presumably without drink on board. I'd imagine it's more commonly asked iof motorists late at night, so smart arsed 'I'm on the way to mass' will cost you more time with them, or more if your window badges aren't in order.

    Just answer the Garda honestly, and you'll be on your way. Hesitation invites suspicion.

    If everything is in order you will have no need to be nervous and they will just wave you on.
    The questions are routine to see if there is drink on board. A little chat with a man in uniform is great.:pac:


  • #59
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    hondasam wrote: »
    I would imagine every cop will have a different reply but along the lines of ''there is no problem sir just routine question''. That would probably cause annoyance and more questions.

    So if I reply 'if there's no problem can I just go then'? I mean either there's a problem or there isn't.
    Have you ever been stopped at a check point?

    Yeah loads of times.

    What would I say if asked 'where are you heading to Sir' by a police?

    I'd reply. 'Just out for a drive' as unless they have a reason I think it's none of their business tbh.


  • #60
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    So if I reply 'if there's no problem can I just go then'? I mean either there's a problem or there isn't.



    Yeah loads of times.

    What would I say if asked 'where are you heading to Sir' by a police?

    I'd reply. 'Just out for a drive' as unless they have a reason I think it's none of their business tbh.

    While I agree with you it's easier to reply with just heading to the shop or going home what ever, no point in pissing them of.
    It's not all fun and games and they are just doing their job.


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  • #61
    LaFlammeRouge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 177 ✭✭LaFlammeRouge


    phantom_lord wrote: »
    Because instead of having the equivalent of the fifth amendment in Ireland we have this.

    Yes, we have the equivalent (Act 38.1) as long as you are not being charged with terrorist offences or treason. And, I'm sure America has a similar provision in the PATRIOT ACT?


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