Snipers....

Woorist wrote: »

Surely sniping is just another way to play the game and everyone has the right to play it how they enjoy it most as obviously thats the whole point in playing a game isnt it?

And no im not a sniper as i enjoy running around shooting alot :-)

Slightly off topic but apparently the FM9s, Type 95 & CM901 are all due to be nerfed in a soon to be released patch. Fair enough on the FM9s but don't really have a problem with the other two. One of the commentators on nextgentactics was making the point that if enough people complain about something it will be acted upon.
With several million people playing the game and it being impossible to keep everyone happy I really think a lot of the "balancing" is unnecessary.
Sniping is just another way to play the game and it is a lot harder than running round with an smg/AR.

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

What are you talking about? His post was about snipers so my reply was about that. What more is there for me to talk about?

Huh ?

AdamD wrote: »

TBH, I really can't justify complaining about snipers on this.

I'm a fairly good player, and could certainly hold my own 'quick scoping' on mw2. I tried it on mw3 for the 1st time the other day, it is very difficult to do well. The technique itself is probably the easiest its ever been, but ARs/SMGs are far stronger than they have ever been, which is something people seem to be forgetting about. If you try it yourself you'll see pretty soon that those people who quick-scoped you probably went 2-26 and would have killed you more with a decent gun.

Hightower* is the worst for it... comes in complaining about sniping and quickscoping like he knows what hes talking about and then doesn't reply to any of the reasonable arguments that prove he doesn't know what hes talking about. Really annoying when they come in with the same argument a few weeks/months later only to completely ignore anything others say...its like a roundabout of ignorance.

Cereal Rapist wrote: »

It's a discussion forum. Not an agreeing forum.

Correct.

AdamD wrote: »

Nope, they are underpowered. There are about 2 maps which have points long enough for the sniper to actually be useful, on every other map an assault rifle will beat the sniper from every distance.

Type 95 is better than any sniper at any range, just like the FAMAS in mw2, G16 in Bops, M16 in cod4.

I cant see how you are making that out? for example @ 30feet an AR user will need on average 3-4 body shots to down someone, they also have the recoil to deal with along with the fact they now need to adjust for movement as their opponent quick scoper can kill in just one body shot necessitating the AR user to get skeety as it were.

Break it down to this example instance...

in this case...
AR user pros - larger mag, faster move speed.
AR user cons - 4 times as many rounds needed, recoil to account for, movement needed consisatnly during engadgement.

Quick scoper pros - one hit kill, less radar signature as only one shot needed, movement not needed during engadgement as only one hit needed on target.
Cons - slower follow shot ability. single round kill leads to more "make or break" first shots.

IMO here the sniper has far less work to do, the AR user has a lot more to account for and has to be on target more often and a lot longer than a quick scoper needs to be.

Snipers are basically easy mode shotguns... same mag limitations, same slow follow up shots BUT with no range penalties which cripple shotguns and snipers are one hit kills where we all know shot guns are most definitly not one hit kills.

Use a shotgun and your instantly more impressive than a quick scoper, you have no infintite range, same slow reload, same low mag size and takes double the amount of rounds to kill someone.

gimli2112 wrote: »

Slightly off topic but apparently the FM9s, Type 95 & CM901 are all due to be nerfed in a soon to be released patch. Fair enough on the FM9s but don't really have a problem with the other two..

The fagpuls def need a patch asap, akimbo they are far too overpowered.
Type 95 certainly needs a patch, the main drawback for that weapon is that yes its high damage but is burst fire.... as standard any burst fire weapon should only kill in one burst when one is a headshot. if they kill in one burst where all are body shots then its just point and click shooting which is bound for abuse. The cm901 doesnt really need it though? The damage is high but the recoil is equally as high balancing it out. Its almost akin to the ak from mw2 in that respect and no one had issue with that, it really made it a disipined gun where you can kill quickly with a fw rouds but you constantly need to excersise fire controll to be effective as opposed to other ARs where you could down in more rounds but had to excersise aim / movement controll to be effective.

I think - like quick scoping - no weapon except for shoulder lauchers should be one hit kills. Every player should be given an oppertunity to get into a firefight and not one hit killed before any retaliation can be done. The game just devolves at that stage into point and click killing rather any firefighting tactics what so ever. That might have been fine for frickin duck hunt but modern shooters shouldinclude more to a gun fight than aim and click, it should always demand you to disiplin yourself in ammo, muzzle, aim and movement controll , litigation and managment in order to keep the games exciting.