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I would not take it as such if I were you.
I would. The fact that what I'm telling you is anathema to you in particular is a reassuring and encouraging sign.I think you are misunderstanding here, and perhaps willfully so. What I mean is that your god, and his supposed attributes simply do not stack up. I do not mean this in the sense that “the world is crap and he obviously does not fit into it” kind of a way. I mean it in the if you god was really what you say he is supposed to be then the world we live in should be very different.
Interesting. What attributes in particular are you talking about? What way would the world be, if He was what He is supposed to be?The pain, suffering and unfairness we see is completely incompatible with a loving god. Your pathetic attempt to justify this contradiction (oh, won’t somebody think about the free will) is just that, pathetic.
I find it sad that you follow a supposedly loving and all powerful god that apparently created all, and yet you blame man for all the wrongs in the world. It simply does not add up.
God created man with free will. To do good and/or evil. You accept that much, correct? So when man does evil, you say that it doesn't add up to blame him? Truly astonishing, Mr Pudding!He needs nothing of the sort. Your god is despicable, petty and downright evil. That you cannot see this also makes me sad. Man is man. It is that simple. Society will fix the ills of the world, not your idiotic belief in a sky wizard.
The 'evil, despicable God' that gave Mr Pudding life, gave him the chance to experience and enjoy all the great things in life. Friends, family, children if you have them, the joy of a summer's day, beautiful places on earth, joy, happiness, the feeling of being alive. The freedom to live your life as you decide.
Truly despicable alright!! Curious that you don't mention the despicable acts of man. But it's not about man and his choices and deeds, right
Once more for the cheap seats. I don’t reject your god. I don’t believe it exists. I reject the bullsh1t you spout in support of your god.
We've been down this road, but no worries going down it again. You don't believe he exists because you reject Him. You can't believe in Him without his involvement. That you reject my 'bull****' is simply the outward expression of your rejection and hatred of the idea of God.And what idea do I hate? Do I hate the idea that man should be good to man and to woman? No. Do I hate the idea that we should treat each other as we would like to be treated, the Golden Rule that your christ apparently stole? No. I am a decent person, and I do decent things and I try to minimise the harm I cause others. I do this because I know it is the right thing to do.
Nobody hates those ideas. In fact the Bible supports those views and you can find a million verses in the Bible telling people to do good, love their fellow man, do charity, love and exhort your neighbour, as well as cautions against theft, murder, lying, adultery and so on. But you don't mention this!
And how exactly do you know it is the right thing to do? Who gave you that conscience, or is that all your own arrogant doing as well?I did that. And I have plenty of respect. I respect things that deserve respect. I won’t give respect unless and until it is earned. Your beliefs do not deserve respect.
Again, see above. You don't deem them to deserve respect because you seem them as 'BS'/foolishness. Because you are perishing.
And I'm not talking about respecting my opinions, and I'm talking about respecting your Maker.I am not broken. I don’t need fixed. I have a huge amount of peace in my life and I am incredibly happy. I do not have a “god shaped hole” in my life. I hate bullsh1t. If you see hate in my posts it is because your posts are almost exclusively made form that which I hate.
Yes perfect. You're supporting the prominent teaching of the Bible here in regards to the default condition of the natural man who has no grace in truly believing that He has no need for God and is fine all by himself. I believed that too up until lately. Man sees NO need for God in his natural state, he simply rejects this completely. So you're demonstrating this simple truth every time you post!
And you won't realise you need Him too until He puts it in your heart. That could be via a multiple of mechanisms. Could be a tragedy, an accident, illness, some sort of revelation, who knows really. I'm not here to convert you, only God can do that. I'm only hear to sound the warning, as I am compelled to do.0 -
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So God, by your definition, selects those he wishes to save. This implies that he freely surrenders all others. I get the impression from you that he only saves those of a Christian persuasion.
How do you respond?
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- and the Bible disproves the above. He does not freely surrender anyone. He wishes that all come to salvation, but also acknowledges that many will not.
Nobody can be saved without God's grace. Nobody can do anything themselves to merit salvation. This does not mean that he deliberately excludes some people (even though it would suit many to believe that such would be the case).0 -
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I am not going to bother going over the same crap again. Suffice it to say, there is nothing new in your post to answer.I would. The fact that what I'm telling you is anathema to you in particular is a reassuring and encouraging sign.
Interesting. What attributes in particular are you talking about? What way would the world be, if He was what He is supposed to be?
God created man with free will. To do good and/or evil. You accept that much, correct? So when man does evil, you say that it doesn't add up to blame him? Truly astonishing, Mr Pudding!
The 'evil, despicable God' that gave Mr Pudding life, gave him the chance to experience and enjoy all the great things in life. Friends, family, children if you have them, the joy of a summer's day, beautiful places on earth, joy, happiness, the feeling of being alive. The freedom to live your life as you decide.
Truly despicable alright!! Curious that you don't mention the despicable acts of man. But it's not about man and his choices and deeds, right
We've been down this road, but no worries going down it again. You don't believe he exists because you reject Him. You can't believe in Him without his involvement. That you reject my 'bull****' is simply the outward expression of your rejection and hatred of the idea of God.
Nobody hates those ideas. In fact the Bible supports those views and you can find a million verses in the Bible telling people to do good, love their fellow man, do charity, love and exhort your neighbour, as well as cautions against theft, murder, lying, adultery and so on. But you don't mention this!
And how exactly do you know it is the right thing to do? Who gave you that conscience, or is that all your own arrogant doing as well?
Again, see above. You don't deem them to deserve respect because you seem them as 'BS'/foolishness. Because you are perishing.
And I'm not talking about respecting my opinions, and I'm talking about respecting your Maker.
Yes perfect. You're supporting the prominent teaching of the Bible here in regards to the default condition of the natural man who has no grace in truly believing that He has no need for God and is fine all by himself. I believed that too up until lately. Man sees NO need for God in his natural state, he simply rejects this completely. So you're demonstrating this simple truth every time you post!
And you won't realise you need Him too until He puts it in your heart. That could be via a multiple of mechanisms. Could be a tragedy, an accident, illness, some sort of revelation, who knows really. I'm not here to convert you, only God can do that. I'm only hear to sound the warning, as I am compelled to do.
What I will respond to, however, is my "need" for god. First of all, I used to be a believer, and while I was I saw tragedy. No god putting stuff in my blood pumping organ.
Since I have been atheist I have had close friends and family suffer with cancer, some survive and some not. I have had accidents and near death experiences, I have had kids and suffered the trials and tribulations that they bring. I have had ups and downs in my relationships with my gf and various us and downs in my life. And never, not once, ever, in all the of has there been a hint of your god.
I don't need your god, and to be perfectly honest it is lucky I don't. I am not quite sure how I would manage if I needed something that did not exist.
And another thing, I am getting pretty fed up with your "you don't even know you are broken" line. I find it obnoxious and offensive. Irrespective of what you think I am not broken, but I most certainly did not say I was perfect, I am far from it.
You are guilty of something quite a lot of your ilk are guilty of; and that is assuming because to need to believe in a fairytale to get yourself out of bed in the morning that everyone else does. I don't, nor do millions of other people. I appreciate that for whatever reason you need the crutch that is religion, but please do not transfer the need to others.
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No - and the Bible disproves the above. He does not freely surrender anyone. He wishes that all come to salvation, but also acknowledges that many will not.
Nobody can be saved without God's grace. Nobody can do anything themselves to merit salvation. This does not mean that he deliberately excludes some people (even though it would suit many to believe that such would be the case).
Then it's redundant to live your life trying to earn your way into heaven, as nothing a person can do will merit salvation.If you can read this, you're too close!
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No - and the Bible disproves the above. He does not freely surrender anyone. He wishes that all come to salvation, but also acknowledges that many will not.
Nobody can be saved without God's grace. Nobody can do anything themselves to merit salvation. This does not mean that he deliberately excludes some people (even though it would suit many to believe that such would be the case).
But earlier TQD claimed even a person who's never heard of God can go to Heaven?
Are you saying this is otherwise?0 -
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No - and the Bible disproves the above. He does not freely surrender anyone. He wishes that all come to salvation, but also acknowledges that many will not.
Nobody can be saved without God's grace. Nobody can do anything themselves to merit salvation. This does not mean that he deliberately excludes some people (even though it would suit many to believe that such would be the case).
You failed to address the first point I made, please read back and do so.
If nobody can do anything to merit salvation, then what one does or does not do is entirely irrelevant. This does not tie in with the idea that one can only come to God by a particular route, ie the Christian one. What Christians do, reading the bible praying etc., is then necessarily irrelevant and does no good by your own admission. Why then advocate it?0 -
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No, I don't see the dots joining, to be perfectly honest.
Of course my position is support and explained by the bible. It was written by men to try to convince people like me to join the cult. If it didn't explain my position it would be a pretty fcuking useless cult recruitment tool.
Our world is full of people hitting rock bottom and finding jesus. Personally I find it sad that once they do drag themselves up out of the gutter they can't see that they did it themselves, they have to attribute it to their imaginary friend.
You are a member of a very effective cult. Over the 2000 years of its existence it has become adept at adding to its numbers, often by taking advantage of the weakest people in society or people who are down on their luck, looking for a way out and aren't capable of coming up with it themselves.
One of the things your cult has done very well is develop material which fits well with what we see around us. But this is simply what one would expect from a cult. It does not mean the cult is right, it is a cult doing what it needs to do, provide answers for the stuff that just does not fit.
I don't know what happened in your life to bring to to be suckered into believing in this, but whatever it was, you have my sympathy. I am glad you are out of whatever hole you were in, but I am just a little bit sad that you could not do it yourself.
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I'm not surprised that you don't see them joining. What I'm saying is that Christianity is like a door. You scoff at it and reject the notion of it, you mock it and reject it outright in action, word and deed.
If you wanted to know more about it, it could be that it would be opened up to you. But since you choose not to want that, it doesn't present itself to you. So, we shouldn't be surprised that those with no time for God, don't hear from him, as you put it yourself.
The 'cult' of which you speak was one which was persecuted to the point at which the torture and murder of its members became commonplace. This is no different today, and even in civilised society (relatively speaking) we have mockers like yourself who would heap scorn on Christianity and look down your noses at us.
But again....and wait for it....this is as it was predicted it would be, and as it always will be.
Hence, we come full circle to my being reassured by the presence of viewpoints like yours 0 -
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ironingbored wrote: »:rolleyes:
Hi Rollie-eyes,
Funny how those nations have/have had such great leaders too, ay? 0 -
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So why didn't he wipe out those nations like he did with Sodom and Gomorrah?
Ignoring questions don't make them go away newsite, it just makes you look more and more incapable of answering them.
It's a but unfair to say I'm ignoring you because I don't answer within your 10 or 15 minute window
Well, it's not entirely true to say he's not wiping them out. You do realise that Sodom and Gomorrah were cities, not nations, which made up only one part of a nation? Just like Tokyo is only one part of Japan, for example.0 -
It's a but unfair to say I'm ignoring you because I don't answer within your 10 or 15 minute window
Well, it's not entirely true to say he's not wiping them out. You do realise that Sodom and Gomorrah was cities which made up only one part of a nation? Just like Tokyo is only one part of Japan, for example.
Ah, so you're saying that the Tsunami that hit Japan, killing thousands and almost causing a Nuclear reactor to explode was due to the love of God, and taking out the heathens.
You're not doing a very good job of convincing us to convert, but I can see how it worked on the un-educated poor masses of the past.
"Love me or I'll kill you" seems to the message here.0 -
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That's my 3rd time asking and you had responded to other much longer and harder to answer questions between themIt's a but unfair to say I'm ignoring you because I don't answer within your 10 or 15 minute window
Well, it's not entirely true to say he's not wiping them out. You do realise that Sodom and Gomorrah were cities, not nations, which made up only one part of a nation? Just like Tokyo is only one part of Japan, for example.
It looked exactly like you were ignoring the question.
And you still haven't answered the question.
Why doesn't God intervene and wipe out all these corrupt regimes like he did with Sodom and Gomorrah?
Why isn't wiping out two cities with magic fire somehow not infringing on free will?0 -
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Or, more likely than your bigot of a God, it's because of natural events causing the tectonic plates to shift, causing a tsunami.
I eagerly await the tsunami that comes and wipes out Cork, and all of Ireland. Hell, and Amsterdam!
Ah sure feck it, let's just wipe out all countries that have gay marriage!
Sure do wonder who could have put those tectonic plates there, don't you? 0
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