Atheism causes creationism

Zombrex

Newsite wrote: »

A bit of rain is going to change things that much?

Are you taking the piss?











Man your posts get more and more disgusting :mad:

Zombrex

Zombrex wrote: »

Are you taking the piss?


Man your posts get more and more disgusting :mad:

Atheism doesn't cause creationism.
But I hope that Christianity like Newsite's causes some atheism.

Newsite

Zombrex wrote: »

Are you taking the piss?











Man your posts get more and more disgusting :mad:

Your posts get more and more emotive and personal all the time.

And yet again you go for the personal, emotive reply, because it suits your agenda to go this way, rather than confront the awkward truth and deal with it head on (that the bulk of suffering is man's inhumanity to man, exerted by his free will and tolerated by God).

You seem to love the facts and rationality. So go that way, and admit that if humans truly wanted to end starvation we could do - the factors involved are extremely complex, but don't try to kid yourself or anyone else that factors like climate play a make or break role here, or that they are even among the most crucial of factors.

Why does hunger exist? The causes of hunger are many and varied. Some are of natural origin, drought, crop pests, natural disasters; others are created by humans, for example by war or over exploitation of natural resources essential to food production. Yet the most important causes of hunger have their roots in economic, social and political factors, having to do with the ways in which the production and distribution of food are organised in the world.

Delirium

so it's man not God that will solve the problems of the world.

Sarky

But the bible won't let them because if anyone but god does it, it's arrogant show-boating.

CiaranMT

koth wrote: »

so it's man not God that will solve the problems of the world.

So, Newsite, if the above is the case, what is the use of a god?

psychward

Newsite wrote: »

the factors involved are extremely complex, but don't try to kid yourself or anyone else that factors like climate play a make or break role here, or that they are even among the most crucial of factors.

So there you have it . Tsunami waves and Earthquakes which wipe out whole families and whole towns are all man's fault. ''God'' is only responsible for the ''nice'' stuff. What a load of arrogant deluded cobblers.

kylith

psychward wrote: »

So there you have it . Tsunami waves and Earthquakes which wipe out whole families and whole towns are all man's fault. ''God'' is only responsible for the ''nice'' stuff. What a load of arrogant deluded cobblers.

Really gives a new meaning to 'Suffer the little children', doesn't it?

Newsite: you talk about corrupt government's funneling away of food aid. Do you think that such aid would be necessary if this God person caused a little rain and made the crops grow? Isn't he ultimately to blame for this? He could open the hearts of the warlords, as he did to Lydia in Acts 16:14 (and all she seems to have done was put some people up for the night). So why doesn't he? After all he's supposed to love all these dying children; is some rain and a softening of a warlord's heart too much to ask for the lives of thousands of people?

Dades

Newsite wrote: »

And yet again you go for the personal, emotive reply, because it suits your agenda to go this way, rather than confront the awkward truth and deal with it head on (that the bulk of suffering is man's inhumanity to man, exerted by his free will and tolerated by God)

And again you apportion blame as if this somehow lets one guilty party off the hook.

It's clear to anyone reading this thread the double standards that are at play. You simply have no answer to the question of Gods inaction, so you sidestep and dodge.

This is no surprise, of course. There is no answer as to why God sits by. The world we live in is the elephant in the room of Christianity's benevolent God.

MrPudding

Newsite wrote: »

Well of course the child can't be accused of it, and I don't know how you could claim that I was implying that? I'm clearly saying that the greed and lust is clearly the primary cause of that suffering.

Hmmm, ok. So greed and lust cause drought. Got it.

Newsite wrote: »

If you look at the likes of mass drought because of lack of rain, the response from the First World is always there - millions are pumped into relief efforts. Quite often these efforts are deliberately impeded by those in power in the stricken countries, who don't care a jot for their own citizens.

So, let's look at this. We have a drought and the first world people try to ease the suffering by giving aid. The nasty leaders, who created them by the way?, impede the aid. So, the obvious question is, if there was no drought in the first place would the nasty leaders have such power and such ability to cause misery? And by cause misery I am, of course, talking about any additional misery over and above that which already comes with living in the conditions they already live in.

Newsite wrote: »

I do see where you're coming from, but if God acts in saving the child from the acts of man and stop His 'inaction', what happens to free will?

See, this is bollocks. Why must you set limits on the power of your own god? Do you not think there is any way he could fix this without breaking this supposed paradox of freewill?

How does saving children from death effect another persons free will? How does allowing thousands of children a day to die give glory to your abomination of a god? He seems to be able to find the time to help footballers score goals or golfers to win matches. How a bout a little rain?

How does making it rain in a country stricken by drought effect free will? Seriously, explain that to me 'cos I really don't see it. Are you saying the the dictators in these countries are stopping the rain so god making it rain would be against their free will?

Like Dades, this is an area of religion that really helped me on the way to atheism, this, the catholic church and people like you.

It saddens me that you simply cannot see the total irrationality of what you believe your god to be in the context of the world we see around us.

MrP

robindch

Newsite wrote: »

I do see where you're coming from, but if God acts in saving the child from the acts of man and stop His 'inaction', what happens to free will?

Since christians are the ones who hold that a nonsensical notion called "free will" exists in the first place, you'll have to ask them.

And since some christians are praying for an end to the drought are you saying that your deity won't answer their prayers?

Newsite

Dades wrote: »

And again you apportion blame as if this somehow lets one guilty party off the hook.

It's clear to anyone reading this thread the double standards that are at play. You simply have no answer to the question of Gods inaction, so you sidestep and dodge.

This is no surprise, of course. There is no answer as to why God sits by. The world we live in is the elephant in the room of Christianity's benevolent God.

The answer to God's 'inaction', then, needs to be seen in the light of the damning evidence above, wouldn't you think?!

As for natural disasters, we can't say why they happen. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for the iniquity of its inhabitants. Whether this is the case for all natural disasters, only God can know.

Again you and others refuse to confront the uncomfortable fact that the bulk of suffering in this world today is down to the choices that man makes - or fails to make - in relation to his fellow man.

-Man believes in false God, 3000 people in NYC die.
-Man hates, man is racist, 6m+ die in Holocaust
-Pol Pot, Stalin, Kim Jung what's his name - great characters. Stalin - communist - elevating a human system of arranging society above obedience to God
-African dictators living in luxury while their people starve.

All of the above, among the greatest atrocities ever committed, all carried out - incidentally - by atheists such as yourselves, turning from God and His plan for us

Ever thing that if mankind went along with God's plan for sex in the world that we wouldn't have the AIDS problem that we do?

Ever think that if we didn't 'covet our neighbours goods', that we wouldn't have the greed and self-centredness of gangland crime, and crime in general?

Or the scourge of drug abuse? How about that?

Or, that, we would have a far greater equal distribution of wealth, food, clean water and safe living conditions, if it wasn't for man's greed, and man's choice to serve his own self-interest.

Newsite

Newsite wrote: »

As for natural disasters, we can't say why they happen. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for the iniquity of its inhabitants. Whether this is the case for all natural disasters, only God can know.

So wait what about the free will of these guys? I would imagine burning an entire city to the ground would be somewhat impinging on their choices in life...

Or is it the case that God only intervenes when people piss him off?

Newsite wrote: »

Again you and others refuse to confront the uncomfortable fact that the bulk of suffering in this world today is down to the choices that man makes - or fails to make - in relation to his fellow man.

So what exactly do we think is responsible for the bulk of suffering? A god we don't believe exists?

kylith

Newsite wrote: »

-Man believes in false God, 3000 people in NYC die.
-Man hates, man is racist, 6m+ die in Holocaust
-Pol Pot, Stalin, Kim Jung what's his name - great characters. Stalin - communist - elevating a human system of arranging society above obedience to God
-African dictators living in luxury while their people starve.

All of the above, among the greatest atrocities ever committed, all carried out - incidentally - by atheists such as yourselves, turning from God and His plan for us

Eh, no.
-Man believes in false God, 3000 people in NYC die. Man demonstratably not an atheist, by your own admission.
-Man hates, man is racist, 6m+ die in Holocaust Man is, again, demonstratably not atheist.
-Pol Pot, Stalin, Kim Jung what's his name - great characters. Stalin - communist - elevating a human system of arranging society above obedience to God I'm unsure on this one. Whist they were atheist in a sense they did also see themselves as God figures. Can one be said to be truely atheist if one cultivates a religion based on oneself? Indeed, Einstein remarked that communism and religion have a lot in common.
-African dictators living in luxury while their people starve. These men, again, tend to be staunchly religious.

MrPudding

Newsite wrote: »

The answer to God's 'inaction', then, needs to be seen in the light of the damning evidence above, wouldn't you think?!

No. If he is what you say he is he should do something. If he does not then he is despicable.

Newsite wrote: »

As for natural disasters, we can't say why they happen. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for the iniquity of its inhabitants. Whether this is the case for all natural disasters, only God can know.

Quoting myths to prove a point will not get you very far here.

Newsite wrote: »

Again you and others refuse to confront the uncomfortable fact that the bulk of suffering in this world today is down to the choices that man makes - or fails to make - in relation to his fellow man.

This is utter utter tripe, and to not see that is just an indication of the depth of your delusion.

Newsite wrote: »

-Man believes in false God, 3000 people in NYC die.
-Man hates, man is racist, 6m+ die in Holocaust
-Pol Pot, Stalin, Kim Jung what's his name - great characters. Stalin - communist - elevating a human system of arranging society above obedience to God
-African dictators living in luxury while their people starve.

And who created these men? Who was not capable of creating people that were not flawed? Who, at the point of creation, was what was coming, saw the suffering, saw the results of his sh1tty creation job but decided to crack on anyway?

Newsite wrote: »

All of the above, among the greatest atrocities ever committed, all carried out - incidentally - by atheists such as yourselves, turning from God and His plan for us

Really? Atheists such as ourselves? I guess the Christians that kill doctors or picket soldiers funerals are Christians just like you…?

Newsite wrote: »

Ever thing that if mankind went along with God's plan for sex in the world that we wouldn't have the AIDS problem that we do?

Really? You can prove that?

Newsite wrote: »

Ever think that if we didn't 'covet our neighbours goods', that we wouldn't have the greed and self-centredness of gangland crime, and crime in general?

You do realize that man pre-dates you fairytale book don’t you?

Newsite wrote: »

Or the scourge of drug abuse? How about that?

Mankind is flawed. Yes, we yet that. It does not, however, absolve your god.

Newsite wrote: »

Or, that, we would have a far greater equal distribution of wealth, food, clean water and safe living conditions, if it wasn't for man's greed, and man's choice to serve his own self-interest.

If it rained in Africa men’s greed would not have the same impact.

The simple fact of the matter is this. Man is not perfect. You believe that your god is this incredibly good and amazing being. This simply does not stack up with what we see around us. It does not stack up now, and it did not stack up 200 years ago when man was making up the bible.

Am I surprised that you spout this crap about free will? No, of course am not. It is the same sh1t that your ilk has been spouting for 2000 years. Perhaps it might salve your conscience and give you something to hang your cognitive dissonance on, but please don’t be upset when other see it for what it is, a steaming pile of sh1t.

You have said previously that you are trying to convince us that jesus is lord and we need to be saved etc. Well, you are doing a sh1t job. Most of your posts disgust me, particularly your recent ones. You have nothing new to say and your recent posts are simply coming across as delusional ranting. As I have said before, it isn’t really your fault. You can’t polish a turd. When your beliefs are analysed they simply cannot stand. What you believe of your god and your religion simply does not fit with the world we see around us.

MrP

Newsite

kylith wrote: »

Eh, no.
-Man believes in false God, 3000 people in NYC die. Man demonstratably not an atheist, by your own admission.
-Man hates, man is racist, 6m+ die in Holocaust Man is, again, demonstratably not atheist.
-Pol Pot, Stalin, Kim Jung what's his name - great characters. Stalin - communist - elevating a human system of arranging society above obedience to God I'm unsure on this one. Whist they were atheist in a sense they did also see themselves as God figures. Can one be said to be truely atheist if one cultivates a religion based on oneself? Indeed, Einstein remarked that communism and religion have a lot in common.
-African dictators living in luxury while their people starve. These men, again, tend to be staunchly religious.

Being 'staunchly religious' - which can possibly mean a thousand different things - usually has very little to do with Christianity.

Men who let their people starve and/or seek to conquer nations or oppress their own people - again, not Christians, no matter how they might try to convince you.

You reckon GW Bush is a Christian? Declaring war on other nations in the pursuit for riches and glory?

Newsite

MrPudding wrote: »

No. If he is what you say he is he should do something. If he does not then he is despicable.

Quoting myths to prove a point will not get you very far here.

This is utter utter tripe, and to not see that is just an indication of the depth of your delusion.

And who created these men? Who was not capable of creating people that were not flawed? Who, at the point of creation, was what was coming, saw the suffering, saw the results of his sh1tty creation job but decided to crack on anyway?

Really? Atheists such as ourselves? I guess the Christians that kill doctors or picket soldiers funerals are Christians just like you…?[/B]

Newsite wrote: »

Ever thing that if mankind went along with God's plan for sex in the world that we wouldn't have the AIDS problem that we do?

Really? You can prove that?

You do realize that man pre-dates you fairytale book don’t you?

Mankind is flawed. Yes, we yet that. It does not, however, absolve your god.

If it rained in Africa men’s greed would not have the same impact.

The simple fact of the matter is this. Man is not perfect. You believe that your god is this incredibly good and amazing being. This simply does not stack up with what we see around us. It does not stack up now, and it did not stack up 200 years ago when man was making up the bible.

Am I surprised that you spout this crap about free will? No, of course am not. It is the same sh1t that your ilk has been spouting for 2000 years. Perhaps it might salve your conscience and give you something to hang your cognitive dissonance on, but please don’t be upset when other see it for what it is, a steaming pile of sh1t.

You have said previously that you are trying to convince us that jesus is lord and we need to be saved etc. Well, you are doing a sh1t job. Most of your posts disgust me, particularly your recent ones. You have nothing new to say and your recent posts are simply coming across as delusional ranting. As I have said before, it isn’t really your fault. You can’t polish a turd. When your beliefs are analysed they simply cannot stand. What you believe of your god and your religion simply does not fit with the world we see around us.

MrP

That my posts disgust you is a good sign.

That God does not fit in with the world we see around us is great! It means that everything the Bible says about the world is being borne out, day by day. That man is corrupt, by default he is of the world and that he needs God. But because he hates that idea (which you communicate pretty virulently in your posts), he continues to reject Him. Not realising that this is only bringing suffering and pain upon himself, upon the world, and that he is lost without Him.

Ever think that if you just tried obeying and having respect, that maybe less bad stuff would happen, and you yourself would see the benefits in your own life? That you might have more peace, and less hate (seen in your posts) inside you? That goes for everyone btw.

Just a little note. You referred to Sodom and Gomorrah as a 'myth' above. If you are going to rail against God, it seems like you do actually acknowledge His existence. Otherwise, what would be the point in railing against something which 'does not exist'?!

kylith

Newsite wrote: »

Being 'staunchly religious' - which can possibly mean a thousand different things - usually has very little to do with Christianity.

Men who let their people starve and/or seek to conquer nations or oppress their own people - again, not Christians, no matter how they might try to convince you.

You reckon GW Bush is a Christian? Declaring war on other nations in the pursuit for riches and glory?

Your point, quoted in my post above, referred to atheists, not Christians. If you are religious and you believe in gods then you are not an atheist. And since so many Christians who come here can't seem to agree on what exactly Christianity is, and what it's for an against, then I guess that all I can do is accept that anyone who considers themselves Christian is Christian. I'm only a godless person, who am I to tell people who and what they believe in? Hells, there are probably people who'd say that you, with your 'the starving African babies brought it on themselves' attitude, aren't a Christian.

Sonics2k

How is being a Muslim an Athiest

Newsite

kylith wrote: »

Your point, quoted in my post above, referred to atheists, not Christians. If you are religious and you believe in gods then you are not an atheist. And since so many Christians who come here can't seem to agree on what exactly Christianity is, and what it's for an against, then I guess that all I can do is accept that anyone who considers themselves Christian is Christian. I'm only a godless person, who am I to tell people who and what they believe in? Hells, there are probably people who'd say that you, with your 'the starving African babies brought it on themselves' attitude, aren't a Christian.

You do the discussion no favours when you come out with the likes of that.

Delirium

All good and evil perpetrated by man is a result of mans actions. There's no need to create a god to to explain away the actions.

If anything it creates a really negative picture of humanity being devoid of goodness if they don't believe in the appropriate deity.

More people are outgrowing religion as they realise that every human has potential for good or evil regardless of religion.

Newsite

koth wrote: »

All good and evil perpetrated by man is a result of mans actions. There's no need to create a god to to explain away the actions.

If anything it creates a really negative picture of humanity being devoid of goodness if they don't believe in the appropriate deity.

More people are outgrowing religion as they realise that every human has potential for good or evil regardless of religion.

Humans are capable of amazing things, amazing goodness and empathy towards their fellow man. It's the story of good and evil though, of course, and it can be distilled as such:

Do you want to do as you will, or as God wills?

Or, do you love yourself, and your own desires and wants, more than doing the will of God?

History is replete with the former - men from Stalin to Hitler to Pol Pot, who all wanted to do as they saw fit, under the influence of evil. And they are only the extreme examples which stand out in history.

Closer to home, think of the way the country has gotten to be - did the likes of Sean Quinn and Seanie Fitzpatrick seek to do the will of God, or their own will?

What would have happened instead if these men took the harder, narrow path, instead of the 'broad one which leads to destruction'?

Sonics2k

Newsite wrote: »

Humans are capable of amazing things, amazing goodness and empathy towards their fellow man. It's the story of good and evil though, of course, and it can be distilled as such:

Do you want to do as you will, or as God wills?

Or, do you love yourself, and your own desires and wants, more than doing the will of God?

History is replete with the former - men from Stalin to Hitler to Pol Pot, who all wanted to do as they saw fit, under the influence of evil. And they are only the extreme examples which stand out in history.

Excuse me, but there have been an incredible amount of Religious wars raged, both internationally and as civil wars.
Look at the Crusades, which was wanted by the Pope!

Hundreds of thousands of innocent people died, possibly more!

A huge part of the civil war in the North was based on Catholic vs Protestant.
In the middle ages, women were burnt at the stake because the Church called for it to happen!

Newsite

Sonics2k wrote: »

Excuse me, but there have been an incredible amount of Religious wars raged, both internationally and as civil wars.
Look at the Crusades, which was wanted by the Pope!

Hundreds of thousands of innocent people died, possibly more!

A huge part of the civil war in the North was based on Catholic vs Protestant.
In the middle ages, women were burnt at the stake because the Church called for it to happen!

Again, as I've said a good few times before - and last night - it's important not to confuse the message with the messenger who distorts it to suit his own agenda.

CiaranMT

Newsite wrote: »

Being 'staunchly religious' - which can possibly mean a thousand different things - usually has very little to do with Christianity.

Men who let their people starve and/or seek to conquer nations or oppress their own people - again, not Christians, no matter how they might try to convince you.

You reckon GW Bush is a Christian? Declaring war on other nations in the pursuit for riches and glory?

He reckons he is.

Who are you to say he isn't?

This handy catch-all you lot use is very tiresome, and frankly, a bit sad.

marienbad

Newsite wrote: »

Humans are capable of amazing things, amazing goodness and empathy towards their fellow man. It's the story of good and evil though, of course, and it can be distilled as such:

Do you want to do as you will, or as God wills?

Or, do you love yourself, and your own desires and wants, more than doing the will of God?

History is replete with the former - men from Stalin to Hitler to Pol Pot, who all wanted to do as they saw fit, under the influence of evil. And they are only the extreme examples which stand out in history.

Closer to home, think of the way the country has gotten to be - did the likes of Sean Quinn and Seanie Fitzpatrick seek to do the will of God, or their own will?

What would have happened instead if these men took the harder, narrow path, instead of the 'broad one which leads to destruction'?

What happened to free will then Newsite ?? You mean we have free will as long as we do God's will, otherwise its off to fiery furnace. How much free free will is that ?

CiaranMT

Newsite wrote: »

Again, as I've said a good few times before - and last night - it's important not to confuse the message with the messenger who distorts it to suit his own agenda.

How are we to know what your 'message' is, when quite obviously, your bible is a collection of writings by disparate groups, put together over hundreds and thousands of years?

Delirium

Newsite wrote: »

Humans are capable of amazing things, amazing goodness and empathy towards their fellow man. It's the story of good and evil though, of course, and it can be distilled as such:

Do you want to do as you will, or as God wills?

Or, do you love yourself, and your own desires and wants, more than doing the will of God?

A loaded question and assuming things about other people. My life has no discernible difference with that of a Christian aside from the belief in God. So the "will of God" is a hollow term to me as it doesn't define anything that can't be done by a non-Christian.

History is replete with the former - men from Stalin to Hitler to Pol Pot, who all wanted to do as they saw fit, under the influence of evil. And they are only the extreme examples which stand out in history.

Closer to home, think of the way the country has gotten to be - did the likes of Sean Quinn and Seanie Fitzpatrick seek to do the will of God, or their own will?

What would have happened instead if these men took the harder, narrow path, instead of the 'broad one which leads to destruction'?

You make it sound like God never tried to destroy a civilisation, when according to your own holy book, he has repeatedly tried to wipe mankind off the face of the Earth. Maybe those people were aspiring to equal Gods level of destruction.

Delirium

Newsite wrote: »

Again, as I've said a good few times before - and last night - it's important not to confuse the message with the messenger who distorts it to suit his own agenda.

But you have no such problem ignoring that idea when it comes to how you refer to atheism, i.e. your references to Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot.

Newsite wrote: »

-Man believes in false God, 3000 people in NYC die.
-Man hates, man is racist, 6m+ die in Holocaust
-Pol Pot, Stalin, Kim Jung what's his name - great characters. Stalin - communist - elevating a human system of arranging society above obedience to God
-African dictators living in luxury while their people starve.

All of the above, among the greatest atrocities ever committed, all carried out - incidentally - by atheists such as yourselves, turning from God and His plan for us

MrPudding

Newsite wrote: »

That my posts disgust you is a good sign.

I would not take it as such if I were you.

Newsite wrote: »

That God does not fit in with the world we see around us is great! It means that everything the Bible says about the world is being borne out, day by day.

I think you are misunderstanding here, and perhaps willfully so. What I mean is that your god, and his supposed attributes simply do not stack up. I do not mean this in the sense that “the world is crap and he obviously does not fit into it” kind of a way. I mean it in the if you god was really what you say he is supposed to be then the world we live in should be very different.

The pain, suffering and unfairness we see is completely incompatible with a loving god. Your pathetic attempt to justify this contradiction (oh, won’t somebody think about the free will) is just that, pathetic.

I find it sad that you follow a supposedly loving and all powerful god that apparently created all, and yet you blame man for all the wrongs in the world. It simply does not add up.

Newsite wrote: »

That man is corrupt, by default he is of the world and that he needs God.

He needs nothing of the sort. Your god is despicable, petty and downright evil. That you cannot see this also makes me sad. Man is man. It is that simple. Society will fix the ills of the world, not your idiotic belief in a sky wizard.

Newsite wrote: »

But because he hates that idea (which you communicate pretty virulently in your posts), he continues to reject Him. Not realising that this is only bringing suffering and pain upon himself, upon the world, and that he is lost without Him.

Once more for the cheap seats. I don’t reject your god. I don’t believe it exists. I reject the bullsh1t you spout in support of your god.

And what idea do I hate? Do I hate the idea that man should be good to man and to woman? No. Do I hate the idea that we should treat each other as we would like to be treated, the Golden Rule that your christ apparently stole? No. I am a decent person, and I do decent things and I try to minimise the harm I cause others. I do this because I know it is the right thing to do.

Newsite wrote: »

Ever think that if you just tried obeying and having respect, that maybe less bad stuff would happen, and you yourself would see the benefits in your own life?

I did that. And I have plenty of respect. I respect things that deserve respect. I won’t give respect unless and until it is earned. Your beliefs do not deserve respect.

Newsite wrote: »

That you might have more peace, and less hate (seen in your posts) inside you? That goes for everyone btw.

I am not broken. I don’t need fixed. I have a huge amount of peace in my life and I am incredibly happy. I do not have a “god shaped hole” in my life. I hate bullsh1t. If you see hate in my posts it is because your posts are almost exclusively made form that which I hate.

Newsite wrote: »

Just a little note. You referred to Sodom and Gomorrah as a 'myth' above. If you are going to rail against God, it seems like you do actually acknowledge His existence. Otherwise, what would be the point in railing against something which 'does not exist'?!

See, this is an idiotic and petty point. I have explained to you several times that I do not believe in your god. What I rail against is your assertion of your god. Perhaps this will help you; before each of my sentences where I mentions your god please insert the following text: “if your god existed, which it probably doesn’t, then…” Does that help?

MrP