Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

Dont be at yourself · 02-12-2011 01:43PM

mike65 wrote: »

I imagine the club will be looking at sides that fall out of the Champions League or Europa League for the fill in for Lucas, which team with a decent water carrier that might need the money is likely to go out?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sven_Bender

The Chessplayer · 02-12-2011 01:54PM

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sven_Bender

ha what a name! sven bender, you're 'aving a larf!

Sir Gallagher · 02-12-2011 02:10PM

Blatter wrote: »

I agree they are different situations,
although still despicable from Carra to intentionally set out to injure his own team mate.

I was merely comparing it to the Keane situation in so far as they both admitted to going out to 'do' players in their autobiographies.

Carra would have been about 21 when he did that, i think it's an understandable reaction from a young lad in a team when somebody's taking the piss. As he said himself, Song didn't take the piss again.

Grayditch · 02-12-2011 02:19PM

Morzadec wrote: »

Someone mentioned earlier, but Diarra on loan seems the ideal option. He's a really top player, very good on the ball and great off it. He's played a bit this season but isn't first choice...Not sure if they'd let him go but I'd love it it we could get him.

Yeah, I said it. I think he was unsettled at Real and said he wanted to play in England, but that was last year, I dunno what the story is now. He'd be a great replacement. I do hope Lucas doesn't carry this forever, though, obviously.

th3 s1aught3r · 02-12-2011 02:20PM

So gutted for Lucas. He had proved all his doubters wrong (including me) in the last couple of seasons. The way he kept on performing even when some around him werent is inspiring. I hope he gets over this setback professionally and personally

The Chessplayer · 02-12-2011 02:23PM

Lucas is a pivotal player but the whinging on here about losing him is a bit OTT. The sort of comments I'd expect from teenage girls. Get over it.

slingerz wrote: »

I think a loan would be a good option but most likely will have to buy.

Fellani from across the park would be an amazing signing in that position or even Rodwell given Everton's financial woes. Tiote would be super but Newcastle will get fed up with being a feeder club soon!

Lee Cattermole is another that will be linked but I'm not sure as to what he'd add.

I'll tell you what Cattermole would add: nothing. He's sh!t. Tiote would be an interesting one. Under Ashley, Pardew's brief is probably to keep them clear of the dangerzone, and they could do that without Tiote probably. Fellani...wha'??

This Diarra loan story that's doing the rounds sounds interesting.

Mr Alan wrote: »

All that's a bit ****ing rich from Carra, fairly sure he was critical of the signing of Lucas in his book saying we had English players in the youths/reserves who could do just as good a job as Lucas.

He was probably just laying down a marker for Lucas. He was looking like a bit of a Diao (what was that guy's name...Salif Diao or something? Black guy with a headband, was on the bench for Istanbul)

Podge2k7 wrote: »

The only one of our defenders id trust in DM is Agger. He can defend plus is good with the ball at his feet.

Lads...we are NOT going to put a centre half in midfield.

Kess73 wrote: »

Yeah he did pass comments like that on Lucas in his book. Was pretty dismissive of Lucas' ability and potential.

Ever since Keane's book every tosser seems to make controversial comments in their crappy ghostwritten biographies. Seems to be the more in-your-face the better.

YouTookMyName · 02-12-2011 02:28PM

Mon 6

Liverpool v Tottenham (8.00pm) Originally Sat 4th 3pm

Sat 11

Man United v Liverpool (12.45pm) Originally 3pm kick off

Sat 25

Liverpool v Everton (12.45pm) Originally 3pm kick off

All on Sky Sports.

The Derby is the same weekend as the CC final if we get there.

Grayditch · 02-12-2011 02:28PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Lucas is a pivotal player but the whinging on here about losing him is a bit OTT. The sort of comments I'd expect from teenage girls. Get over it.

Sound.

The Chessplayer · 02-12-2011 02:37PM

I think Spearing can do a job for us. Yes he's a bit of an ugly begger (and I think this goes some way towards his general lack of popularity...as irrational as that sounds) but he's not in there to win a lovely girls competition on Craggy Island, nor was Mascherano before him.

Step up Jason Spearing!

missingtime · 02-12-2011 02:56PM

Who is the person here who likes Huddlestone?

Spurs probably wouldnt sell him to us though.

SlickRic · 02-12-2011 03:02PM

Spearing can do a job, but he's no Lucas.

people are rightly worried as to how we'll cope, especially as we have no Gerrard right now, and an untried combination of Speaing/Adam, Adam/Henderson or Spearing/Henderson/Adam to look forward to.

Adam and Lucas had only just found their feet as a combo.

retalivity · 02-12-2011 03:09PM

We should never have sold Poulsen.

The Chessplayer · 02-12-2011 03:10PM

SlickRic wrote: »

Spearing can do a job, but he's no Lucas.

people are rightly worried as to how we'll cope, especially as we have no Gerrard right now, and an untried combination of Speaing/Adam, Adam/Henderson or Spearing/Henderson/Adam to look forward to.

Adam and Lucas had only just found their feet as a combo.

You know me Ric, just trying to look on the brightside. Speaking of SG...when is he actually back? Don't forget Jonjo Shelvey. He's got a bit of an engine on him, wouldn't be surprised to see him wrestling with Henderson for game time.

Blatter · 02-12-2011 03:13PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

:rolleyes:

This is the point I was making about some people being absolutely ridiculous about this. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that he set out to seriously injure his own team mate (which would be despicable), he only set out to hurt him with a hard tackle. There's not a defender or midfielder in the world who hasn't done the same. It's a total non issue.

For example, I remember Danny Agger clattering Torres out of it in his first game against us after his move. Left Torres writhing around in pain on the deck after it. Did anyone think, "wow, that was despicable". No. It's part of the game that's great & it should always be that way. It's when incidents like Keane's cross the line to such an extreme that the outrage should begin.

He left his own teammate Song with a knock, was happy about it and admits he intentionally set out to do so. It's a disgusting thing to do, made worst by the fact he felt he needed to boast about it. No matter how you dress it up as favorably as you can for Carra and ridiculously compare it to a real match situation when the player's motive is to go for the ball.

Originally posted by Jamie Carragher

When my leg was broken in an horrific tackle by Lucas Neill in September 2003, my mates were ready to hunt him down if I gave the go-ahead.

A few weeks later I received a phone call. "You won't believe this, Jay. We're in the Trafford Centre and Lucas Neill is walking straight towards us. What do you reckon?"

Did I really want Neill to take a crack? "There's only one problem," added the voice. "Little Davey Thommo is with him."

That was that. I could hardly let one of my best mates, David Thompson, now a Blackburn player, become a witness to an assault. Besides he'd have recognised the attackers. The impromptu mission was aborted and I sent a text to Thommo telling him Neill should give him a hug of thanks.

As word got back to Blackburn about the near miss, or should that be hit, their coach Terry Darracott, a Scouser, appealed to one of my friends to call the boys off. I agreed.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Lucas-Neill-s-lucky-escape-after-breaking-Jamie-Carragher-s-leg-article35958.html

Wanting to have 'his mates' assault Lucas Neill in a shopping centre and then putting it in his book wasn't one of Carra's finest moments now, was it?

I suppose you'll play that down too

:D

02-12-2011 03:15PM

Blatter wrote: »

He left his own teammate Song with a knock, was happy about it and admits he intentionally set out to do so. It's a disgusting thing to do, made worst by the fact he felt he needed to boast about it. No matter how you dress it up as favorably as you can for Carra and ridiculously compare it to a real match situation when the player's motive is to go for the ball.

So you have never gone out and got stuck into a team mate in training or even a friend in a game of astro turf? I've done it many times and I have seen it happen many times with others too.

Blatter · 02-12-2011 03:26PM

Cataleya Calm Sorcerer wrote: »

So you have never gone out and got stuck into a team mate in training or even a friend in a game of astro turf? I've done it many times and I have seen it happen many times with others too.

Never went in hard against any of my mates on the football field with the intention 'to teach them a lesson' and motivated by the vindictiveness that Carra describes.

And you can't tackle on astro turf:p

Kess73 · 02-12-2011 03:48PM

missingtime wrote: »

Who is the person here who likes Huddlestone?

Spurs probably wouldnt sell him to us though.

That would be me.

Would not regard him as the kind of player to replace Lucas though.

Kess73 · 02-12-2011 03:53PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

You know me Ric, just trying to look on the brightside. Speaking of SG...when is he actually back? Don't forget Jonjo Shelvey. He's got a bit of an engine on him, wouldn't be surprised to see him wrestling with Henderson for game time.

Originally he was down to return after three games, which would have seen him return by the Swansea game. Now he has no estimated return date listed for him, so best to regard any time he spends in the team this season as a bonus methinks.

Would be surprised if Shelvey did not get some game time between now and the end of the year.

Leiva · 02-12-2011 03:56PM

Im just hoping that the owners have seen over the past couple of months the ethos that Kenny is instilling ,see the massive gap Lucas will leave , and open the purse strings again to keep it going .

Im currently completing intensive finger training in preparation for the January transfer window ......

125 times per sec ..mottthhheerrrrfuuucckkeerrrsss !:pac:
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02-12-2011 04:00PM

Blatter wrote: »

Never went in hard against any of my mates on the football field with the intention 'to teach them a lesson' and motivated by the vindictiveness that Carra describes.

And you can't tackle on astro turf:p

Astro is a bad example maybe but when I played soccer for a club there was always one or two "hard men" playing that would be dishing out plenty of verbal abuse etc, I can remember blatantly kicking them on plenty of occasions with no other intention but to hurt them, even fighting with them properly. Never stopped is playing together in matches though.

02-12-2011 04:16PM

In fairness Boggles,there's no comparisment between the Roy Keane tackle and the Carragher incident

Anyone who has played football or any contact sport for that matter will know that.

djPSB · 02-12-2011 04:50PM

Cataleya Calm Sorcerer wrote: »

Astro is a bad example maybe but when I played soccer for a club there was always one or two "hard men" playing that would be dishing out plenty of verbal abuse etc, I can remember blatantly kicking them on plenty of occasions with no other intention but to hurt them, even fighting with them properly. Never stopped is playing together in matches though.

But you didn't release a book about it

mike65 · 02-12-2011 04:54PM

Boggles!

Anyway, Kenny D has said he is not thinking of adding to the squad unless they need to or words to that effect. Of course that could just mean if various combinations of Adam/Spearing/Herndo/Gerrard/Shelvey don't work he will buy.

Sir Gallagher · 02-12-2011 05:02PM

djPSB wrote: »

But you didn't release a book about it

Neither did Carragher, it's a story in an autobiography. He's a footballer for christsakes, what do people expect from these books? We're hardly looking to football players for witty anecdotes and their musings on life.

Blatter · 02-12-2011 05:03PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

In fairness Boggles,there's no comparisment between the Roy Keane tackle and the Carragher incident

Anyone who has played football or any contact sport for that matter will know that.

1. There is a comparison between the Carragher incident and the Keane incident. They both admit to setting out to injure players in their autobiographies and both express delight at achieving there aim. The comparison is not a direct comparison as both tackles were different, but it's comparable to a large degree nonetheless.

2. I ain't Boggles, never was and never will be. I can say with 100% accuracy that theory is a figment of your imagination.

The Chessplayer · 02-12-2011 05:06PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Originally he was down to return after three games, which would have seen him return by the Swansea game. Now he has no estimated return date listed for him, so best to regard any time he spends in the team this season as a bonus methinks.

WHAAAAAA'?

All he is supposed to have is an ankle infection. By the sounds of things he's well and truly crocked. No chance we can pull the plug on AC Milan's Aquilani loan deal?

Sir Gallagher · 02-12-2011 05:09PM

Blatter wrote: »

1. There is a comparison between the Carragher incident and the Keane incident. They both admit to setting out to injure players in their autobiographies and both express delight at achieving there aim. The comparison is not a direct comparison as both tackles were different, but it's comparable to a large degree nonetheless.

What's your point exactly?

willmunny1990 · 02-12-2011 05:18PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

What's your point exactly?

They were two despicable tackles by two despicable human beings.

Blatter · 02-12-2011 05:19PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

What's your point exactly?

Just that Carragher and Keane both admitted to setting out to 'do' fellow professionals and expressed their pleasure from achieving it, in their books.

The only reason why it's still being discussed is because Mr Alan and rarnes refuse to accept the clear comparisons to the situations and in Mr Alan's case, tried to justify what Carragher did.

K-9 · 02-12-2011 05:20PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

What's your point exactly?

Roy Keane isn't as bad as people think or Carra is nearly as bad as him, or something.

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