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The Real Reason for NATO Attacking Libya ?

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  • #632
    davoxx
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭davoxx


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Ahh you know me too well Ed.

    At least its slightly better quality than this.. just about

    <you tube>
    finally you've mentioned nazis ... i'm sure the blonde reporter made that video, or used a computer that could have been used to access that video ...

    at least this is more relevant ... and more fun!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIzPF3BfpQ


  • #633
    studiorat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Here's Liz interviewing "a friend" in the resistance.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHpMt5OPSVg

    Turns out the friend is actually Mahdi Nazemraya a canadian journalist. Who according to Mathew Price asked a Gadaffi loyalist to shoot him in the leg so he could say CNN did it!!


  • #634
    davoxx
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭davoxx


    studiorat wrote: »
    Here's Liz interviewing "a friend" in the resistance.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHpMt5OPSVg

    Turns out the friend is actually Mahdi Nazemraya a canadian journalist. Who according to Mathew Price asked a Gadaffi loyalist to shoot him in the leg so he could say CNN did it!!
    linky please ... don't want to be throwing around unfounded accusations now do we?


    Tony-Blair-Embarks-On-Tou-007.jpg
    turns out the guy on the left is actually tony "the lair" blair ... as his moniker suggests he is a proven lair, and was instrumental in starting an illegal war .... therefore as he is in the same picture as Qaddafi, Qaddafi is guilty by association of also being Christian ...


  • #635
    studiorat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    what's even funnier is that Mathaba itself refer to her as an "International Revolutionary"


  • #636
    davoxx
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭davoxx


    studiorat wrote: »
    what's even funnier is that Mathaba itself refer to her as an "International Revolutionary"
    no linky? ... strange that ...


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  • #637
    studiorat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    The Morning Star articles are a hoot, before NATO got involved she was all for it! Reporting 170 people killed and telling us of "Machine-gun-wielding" supporters of Gadafi. Not to mention her truly hilarious reporting of the British Government, EU and US were trying to prop up the Gadaffi regime. So we see a complete about face, as her "imperialist" enemies get involved she changes sides...


  • #638
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    What's with all this focus on anti-intervention reporters? Is is for the war cheerleaders to hide from the embarrasment of being fooled by propoganda and lies into supporting jihad, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, massacres, racially and motivated lynchings?


  • #639
    davoxx
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭davoxx


    studiorat wrote: »
    The Morning Star articles are a hoot, before NATO got involved she was all for it! Reporting 170 people killed and telling us of "Machine-gun-wielding" supporters of Gadafi. Not to mention her truly hilarious reporting of the British Government, EU and US were trying to prop up the Gadaffi regime. So we see a complete about face, as her "imperialist" enemies get involved she changes sides...
    no linky? strike three? you're out!!!

    please try to back up what you are saying ...


  • #640
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    studiorat wrote: »
    what's even funnier is that Mathaba itself refer to her as an "International Revolutionary"

    He's a sociology student - you couldn't actually make this up

    Here he is on Voltaire
    http://www.voltairenet.org/_Mahdi-Darius-Nazemroaya_?lang=en

    Spitting truth on NATO's evil plans to take over the world and kill civilians on purpose :rolleyes:


  • #641
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    He's a sociology student - you couldn't actually make this up

    You know what you could make up.........?
    Jonny7 wrote: »

    Here's the video of her arriving back in Malta with Talitha von Zon, Mutassim Gaddafis (now ex) girlfriend
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED7cyuVdACM

    So on top of everything she has close relations with the Gaddafi family?

    Because two non-Libyans - one British and one Dutch - were evacuated from Libya on the same Maltese ship whose sole purpose was to evacuate foriegners from Libya you somehow think that she (L. Phelan) could have not just relations, but "close relations".

    Please explain how you have come up with this crazy conspiracy theory.

    ===

    Another point is that you described Van Zon as "Gadaffi's (now ex) girlfriend". Why..? Why not ex-girlfriend? It would be the correct term after all as she ended a 3-month relationship in 2004.

    Mutassim Gadaffi was already dead when you posted. Were you trying to give the false impression that Van Zon is only ""Gadaffi's (now ex) girlfriend" because Mutassim Gadaffi is (now) deceased?

    Please explain.


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  • #642
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    Yeah Jonny, explain :pac:

    It's almost painful watching you get owned.


  • #643
    ed2hands
    Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭ed2hands


    studiorat wrote: »
    Her simplistic division of cold war boundaries is a nonsense, see link below.

    Quote:
    sources report word going round that President Barak Obama and President Dmitry Medvedev Friday, May 27, came to an reciprocal understanding on the sidelines of the G8 summit in Deauville about the fate of the Syrian and Libyan rulers.
    Obama is reported to have promised Medvedev to let Assad finish off the uprising against him without too much pressure from the US and the West. In return, the Russian president undertook to help the US draw the Libyan war to a close by means of an effort to bring about Muammar Qaddafi's exit from power – in a word, the two big powers traded Qaddafi for Assad.

    http://www.debka.com/article/20981/

    But it's ok to post unfounded rumours from Debka no less.

    Oh dear.:D


    Edit: This is an old post. The 'her' is Cynthia McKinney, not Lizzy.


  • #644
    studiorat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    What's with all this focus on anti-intervention reporters? Is is for the war cheerleaders to hide from the embarrasment of being fooled by propoganda and lies into supporting jihad, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, massacres, racially and motivated lynchings?

    The very phrase "anti-intervention reporter" is contradictory, in this capacity she's not a reporter, the person in question is an activist for a special interest group. Problem is most people can't or don't want to, acknowledge the difference.

    What's more the cries of Jihad, Ethnic cleansing etc. are equally as propagandist in their nature as the propaganda you feign to abhor.
    ed2hands wrote: »
    But it's ok to post unfounded rumours from Debka no less.

    Oh dear.:D

    How is it unfounded? Russia stated it would negotiate the resignation of Gadaffi, Obama called on Assad to lead the transition to a democratic process. It was in every paper, blog and whatever that covered the G8!!


  • #645
    davoxx
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭davoxx


    studiorat wrote: »
    The very phrase "anti-intervention reporter" is contradictory, in this capacity she's not a reporter, the person in question is an activist for a special interest group. Problem is most people can't or don't want to, acknowledge the difference.
    i don't see how the phrase is contradictory ... are you saying that a reporter can't specialise?

    you know what is contradictory? people making unfounded claims without anything to back them up complaining of the same ...
    studiorat wrote: »
    What's more the cries of Jihad, Ethnic cleansing etc. are equally as propagandist in their nature as the propaganda you feign to abhor.
    how so? can you please explain how it is propagandist ...

    i'm sure you will ignore this post as you have done to others ...


  • #646
    studiorat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    davoxx wrote: »
    i don't see how the phrase is contradictory ... are you saying that a reporter can't specialise?

    by specialize I presume you mean take one side.

    I suppose this proves my point by itself:rolleyes:


  • #647
    davoxx
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭davoxx


    studiorat wrote: »
    by specialize I presume you mean take one side.

    I suppose this proves my point by itself:rolleyes:
    no, by specialise i mean "to train in or devote oneself to a particular area of study, occupation, or activity" ... :)

    someone specialising in robotics, does not mean that they are a robot or cyborg ... :cool:

    since you incorrectly understood the term to specialise, you have demonstrated your supposition is incorrect ... :rolleyes:

    is this why you have not presented any links backing up your other unfounded claims? :pac:


  • #648
    studiorat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    davoxx wrote: »
    no, by specialise i mean "to train in or devote oneself to a particular area of study, occupation, or activity" ... :)

    someone specialising in robotics, does not mean that they are a robot or cyborg ... :cool:

    since you incorrectly understood the term to specialise, you have demonstrated your supposition is incorrect ... :rolleyes:

    is this why you have not presented any links backing up your other unfounded claims? :pac:

    So what has she specialized in? Anti-imperialism? Dictatorial apologetics?


  • #649
    ed2hands
    Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭ed2hands


    studiorat wrote: »
    The very phrase "anti-intervention reporter" is contradictory, in this capacity she's not a reporter, the person in question is an activist for a special interest group. Problem is most people can't or don't want to, acknowledge the difference.

    What's more the cries of Jihad, Ethnic cleansing etc. are equally as propagandist in their nature as the propaganda you feign to abhor.

    Ethnic cleansing was/is definitely occurring unfortunately.
    http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/07/07/libya-ethnic-cleansing/
    The propaganda seems to be from NTC, Liam Fox etc regarding the fallacy that the executed blacks were mercenaries.


  • #650
    davoxx
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭davoxx


    studiorat wrote: »
    So what has she specialized in? Anti-imperialism? Dictatorial apologetics?
    the truth ...

    you know, what so many have forgotten, the quest for the truth ...


  • #651
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    Here's a good article with plenty of sources that outlines the real reasons for the NATO attack on Libya. I suggest the you studiorat and you Jonny7 read it in its entirety. Check its sources and try to refute them.

    It's definitely worth a read:

    http://whowhatwhy.com/2011/08/31/now-that-we%E2%80%99re-celebrating-qaddafi%E2%80%99s-end-can-we-get-a-little-truth/


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  • #652
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    ed2hands wrote: »
    This is an old post. The 'her' is Cynthia McKinney, not Lizzy.

    Thought it'd be interesting to look up that post now with the benefit of hindsight, here it is .
    I was horrified to learn that NATO allies (the Rebels) in Libya have reportedly lynched, butchered their darker-skinned compatriots after U.S. press reports labeled Black Libyans as "Black mercenaries." Now, tell me this, pray tell. How are you going to take Blacks out of Africa? Press reports have suggested that Americans were "surprised" to see dark-skinned people in Africa. Now, what does that tell us about them?
    The sad fact, however, is that it is the Libyans themselves, who have been insulted, terrorized, lynched, and murdered as a result of the press reports that hyper-sensationalized this base ignorance.

    What she said in May was absolutely true. So what did Jonny and studiorat have to say about this?
    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Look at the absolute drivel being posted above (from brown_bomber.. what does that tell you?
    studiorat wrote: »
    Just posting polemic as usual, that cut and paste job has absolutely no substance. It's just a stream of cliche, cliche that she was happy enough to go on Libyan state television with. She's no stranger to Press TV either. I wonder is she on RT much?
    studiorat wrote: »
    She uses a sleight of hand there that Goebbels would have been proud of.
    studiorat wrote: »
    Rather we get the usual babies dripping in blood hyperbole that the Brown one seems to love so much.

    So while Cynthia McKinney was reporting the facts on the ground from Tripoli and was being equated with Goebbels for her "utter drivel" who would the studiorat have you believe....?

    Well he posted this section of an article here:

    Feb 22 (Reuters) - African mercenaries are being used by Libya to crush protests, prompting some army troops to switch sides to the opposition, Libya's ambassador to India, who resigned in the wake of the crackdown, said on Tuesday.

    "They are from Africa, and speak French and other languages," Ali al-Essawi told Reuters in an interview, adding that he was receiving information from sources within the OPEC-member country.

    Essawi, who has left the embassy since he resigned on Monday to protest the violent crackdown and is now staying at a hotel in New Delhi, said he had been told there had been army defections.

    "They (troops) are Libyans and they cannot see foreigners killing Libyans so they moved beside the people," Essawi said, looking nervous and agitated

    From the above article:
    "They are from Africa, and speak French and other languages," Ali al-Essawi told Reuters in an interview,

    And who is Ali al-Essawi?
    a Libyan politician who is a leading figure of the National Transitional Council of Libya
    WIKI
    Shocker innit?


  • #653
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    jackiebaron wrote: »
    Here's a good article with plenty of sources that outlines the real reasons for the NATO attack on Libya. I suggest the you studiorat and you Jonny7 read it in its entirety. Check its sources and try to refute them.

    It's definitely worth a read:

    http://whowhatwhy.com/2011/08/31/now-that-we%E2%80%99re-celebrating-qaddafi%E2%80%99s-end-can-we-get-a-little-truth/

    Let me guess its a blog by an author who writes other opinion pieces on how evil America is?


  • #654
    davoxx
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭davoxx


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Let me guess its a blog by an author who writes other opinion pieces on how evil America is?
    don't guess ...

    read it first, then make an informed opinion ...


  • #655
    studiorat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    davoxx wrote: »
    don't guess ...

    read it first, then make an informed opinion ...

    As long as it's informed by a Gadaffi apologist you'll be grand. ;)
    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    What she said in May was absolutely true.

    The reason these supposed "reporters" were there in the first place was simply to push their own agenda. Anyway, McKinney's a complete stooge, she thinks Gadaffi was a hero ffs. Any you think she's reliable, 'comon...

    Ask yourself who invited McKinney to Libya?

    She's been financed by this man in the past Gadaffi Paid Assassin ! Even before this year she has brought delegations to Libya to discuss the Green Book.


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    So while Cynthia McKinney was reporting the facts on the ground from Tripoli and was being equated with Goebbels for her "utter drivel" who would the studiorat have you believe....?

    McKinney was Gadaffi supporter, plain and simple. But you still insist on telling people she's some kind of reliable source. Now that really is stupid.


  • #656
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Let me guess its a blog by an author who writes other opinion pieces on how evil America is?

    How transparent and predictable you are, Jonny. Do sources such as those that blew open the Watergate Scandal count as fence-sitting nit-picking in your eyes? Read the article, check the sources and then comment.

    You've vomited who knows how much nonsense up here without a smidgen of credible source and you have the audacity to just dismiss a well written, reasoned and sourced article by members of government and military, by members of a (once) credible fourth estate, by outspoken members of police and security forces and still you refuse to do anything other than to childishly quip "I won't read that! It must be fake."

    Yeah, Jonny. We're sorry, won't you eff-off home. We're worried.


  • #657
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    studiorat wrote: »
    As long as it's informed by a Gadaffi apologist you'll be grand. ;)



    The reason these supposed "reporters" were there in the first place was simply to push their own agenda. Anyway, McKinney's a complete stooge, she thinks Gadaffi was a hero ffs. Any you think she's reliable, 'comon...

    Ask yourself who invited McKinney to Libya?

    She's been financed by this man in the past Gadaffi Paid Assassin ! Even before this year she has brought delegations to Libya to discuss the Green Book.





    McKinney was Gadaffi supporter, plain and simple. But you still insist on telling people she's some kind of reliable source. Now that really is stupid.


    Just read. Don't change the subject, just read the piece. The title of this discussion is, after all, "the real reasons why NATO attacked Libya" ... so for your personal edification I recommend that you read that piece. I also recommend that if you flatly dispute any of the claims or conclusions contained therein that you promptly furnish credible refutations. That shouldn't be difficult.
    Judging from your posts, studiorat, you should be able to accomplish that. Your rantings about the housing meltdown have been, quite frankly, embarrassing, and your take on the current economic slump(s) is cringe-worthy. That doesn't mean you are stupid. Just either chronically ill-informed or just plain dogmatic.

    Nonetheless, I still think that you might have the wherewithall to cut down below the icing and actually realise the big picture behind this Libya thing. You may not want to, but I think you might be able to do it.


  • #658
    davoxx
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭davoxx


    studiorat wrote: »
    As long as it's informed by a Gadaffi apologist you'll be grand. ;)
    as long as it is made up bull from the mainstream media you'll believe it :rolleyes:

    studiorat wrote: »
    The reason these supposed "reporters" were there in the first place was simply to push their own agenda. Anyway, McKinney's a complete stooge, she thinks Gadaffi was a hero ffs. Any you think she's reliable, 'comon...

    Ask yourself who invited McKinney to Libya?

    She's been financed by this man in the past Gadaffi Paid Assassin ! Even before this year she has brought delegations to Libya to discuss the Green Book.





    McKinney was Gadaffi supporter, plain and simple. But you still insist on telling people she's some kind of reliable source. Now that really is stupid.

    facts/links or GTFO :rolleyes:


  • #659
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    ed2hands wrote: »
    Ethnic cleansing was/is definitely occurring unfortunately.
    http://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/07/07/libya-ethnic-cleansing/
    The propaganda seems to be from NTC, Liam Fox etc regarding the fallacy that the executed blacks were mercenaries.

    First fairly sensible post I've seen on here in awhile.

    They seem like a fairly respectable organisation, its a decent article but the author is making a fundamental mistake, he bases a lot of this piece on what he calls "The myth of black mercenaries leads to lynchings", however I see it was written in July, less was known then.

    Gaddafi used many black mercenaries
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/02/libya-gaddafi-army-mercenaries-backlash?INTCMP=SRCH

    The backlash is terrible though, up to 7,000 people are currently being held in Libyan prisons, they don't even have a proper system in place to try them yet.

    My only hope on that is that it is at least transparent, news crews are getting to talk to the prisoners, etc.


  • #660
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    First fairly sensible post I've seen on here in awhile.

    They seem like a fairly respectable organisation, its a decent article but the author is making a fundamental mistake, he bases a lot of this piece on what he calls "The myth of black mercenaries leads to lynchings", however I see it was written in July, less was known then.

    Gaddafi used many black mercenaries
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/02/libya-gaddafi-army-mercenaries-backlash?INTCMP=SRCH

    The backlash is terrible though, up to 7,000 people are currently being held in Libyan prisons, they don't even have a proper system in place to try them yet.

    My only hope on that is that it is at least transparent, news crews are getting to talk to the prisoners, etc.

    not going to read the article I linked to?


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  • #661
    studiorat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    davoxx wrote: »
    as long as it is made up bull from the mainstream media you'll believe it :rolleyes:




    facts/links or GTFO :rolleyes:

    the mainstream media? as opposed to what? an opinion piece from a "activist".
    cop on, are you 15 or something?


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