Weed grown in Ireland is more potent than weed in Amsterdam!

Pure Sound · 29-11-2011 05:57PM

Jagle wrote: »

every day was a bit of a strong statement but i am a frequent user of cannabis, either at night to help me relax after a hard day, or socially with friends.

if you think my cannabis consumption is on the level of abuse, perhaps you should consider what an addict is before considering me as one, id class an addict as anyone with a substance abuse problem that impacts negatively upon their daily life,

ie. a person addicted to alcohol, where they cant put food on the table cos they drink/cant pay bills cos they drank their money/ abuse mentally or physically there loved ones, and cause the family life to break down. you know a negative impact on themselves and others.

now my few joints doesnt impact me or anyone negatively, and my mental health is fine, am i still suffering substance abuse because you dont understand?

and again its shown that casual, frequent users of cannabis are less at risk because they can handle it and are used to it.

no need to say i have a substance abuse problem, when the only drug im addicted to is nicotine (way harder to quite then cannabis) but im trying.

I said absolutely nothing about weed being addictive, I was questioning why someone is so proud that they smoke everyday and the attitude that surrounds it, I get it that an occasional smoke can be relaxing but for someone to have to smoke everyday I would have to ask why, is life really that stressful that you need to. If someone was to drink everyday, it would be considered substance abuse so why do the same rules not apply to weed. Weed is an expensive habit too if you were to smoke everyday, as you said yourself as people smoke more their tolerance builds so the cost would be more.

stimpson wrote: »

Yep - me too. Many of them still smoke. They still hold down a profession, pay their mortgage, never been in trouble with the guards. Some of them are even good parents.

If your mates had motivational issues it may not have been because of weed.

Fair enough, when I thought about it I realised that the people I was thinking about take other substances occasionally too which may have an affect on motivation

TeddyTedson · 29-11-2011 05:59PM

cock robin wrote: »

Joe Rogan FFS why did you not use the very famous scientist Carl Sagan as an example.

Or even Otto from the Simpsons.

29-11-2011 06:03PM

stimpson wrote: »

LOL - "I can't believe it's not weed butter"

"I can't believe someone would fall for that"

ScumLord · 29-11-2011 06:21PM

We Need Community wrote: »

People who smoke weed everyday are touchy aren't they, you are the perfect example of substance abuse and you are proud of it, why do you need to smoke everyday.

because there's no reason not to, it's not like you'll get a hangover or damage an organ to the point of failure (lungs maybe but there are ways around that). A cannabis hangover feels no worse than oversleeping.

I know loads of productive people that smoke, I know a boxer that trains constantly that smokes weed non stop.

whitesands · 29-11-2011 06:30PM

I can see how the article is sort of correct but the headline is bull****.

A grower in ireland is likely small & will cut his plants when they are ready & have a high thc content.
On the other hand you have big criminals growing to export with large operations, quality isn't as important as weight, so the plants are left to bulk up, a side effect of this is the THC starts degrading into CBN.

So, ye, imported weed will generally be weaker than homegrown, even if they were the same quality, the imported stuff will pass through many more hands where dealers shake the trichomes off.

Wertz · 29-11-2011 06:34PM

But but but....the hydroponically grown stuff here is cultivated in an identical manner to that on sale in Dutch cafés... the only reason it may be stronger here is the strain of seed used to grow the plant.
Since strength of stone is what growers/dealers want, (so they can charge obscene prices) they're going to seek out the most potent strains and seeds... the reason they don't do that so much in Holland or Cali is because it's as much about the variety and types of weed and the differences in highs, because the market isn't determined by "More is Better" fundamentals.
When you're paying high rent, high electrical costs and possible water metering, then you want to maximise the return and using your grow space to do weaker strains doesn't make sense.

...and FFS comparing hash to weed is downright foolish as well they know. The potency in some hash (particularly the crap we end up with here) is laughable. I've smoked some of the isolator and bubble hashes that wipe the floor with any bud, but they cost many times more by weight.

How about some of the real issues surrounding weed here NCAD? Like the fact that either homegrown or imported weed is sprayed up with sugar water and other such weight extenders and the negative health consequences for smokers of that weed.
The THC thing is a red herring...we'd all like to see some CBD in to balance it off, but that won't happen whilst it's illegal and heavily policed.

How soon before Granny Kenny is on somewhere crowing about this horrible revelation and proclaming us all schizoids and criminal gang supporters.

geetar · 29-11-2011 06:38PM

there's no way in hell this is true.

amsterdam has literally every strength of weed from putting you in a slow motion paralysis of death to just giving you the giggles. theres no way the stuff here is stronger.

absolute horse bollox.

stewie01 · 29-11-2011 06:40PM

ahhhh grainne kenny. shes hilarious. any drug she tries to ban i usually try for the first time. shes a good indicator for whats good out there.

imagine herself and joe duffy bringing up a kid. how flucking miserable a life would that be.

stewie01 · 29-11-2011 06:41PM

geetar wrote: »

there's no way in hell this is true.

amsterdam has literally every strength of weed from putting you in a slow motion paralysis of death to just giving you the giggles. theres no way the stuff here is stronger.

absolute horse bollox.

depends who your supplier is :eek:

Wertz · 29-11-2011 06:41PM

whitesands wrote: »

the imported stuff will pass through many more hands where dealers shake the trichomes off.

there's another issue...this practice is rife in many of the bigger Dutch cafes too, shaking the crystals off for making other byproducts. Always go where they have a microscope

ScumLord · 29-11-2011 06:44PM

whitesands wrote: »

So, ye, imported weed will generally be weaker than homegrown, even if they were the same quality, the imported stuff will pass through many more hands where dealers shake the trichomes off.

Shockin' stuff, where's that news storey?

Wertz · 29-11-2011 06:46PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Shockin' stuff, where's that news storey?

I want the National Consumer Agency informed of this scandalous rip off immediately!

mikom · 29-11-2011 06:46PM

Found the report and had a read through it......... http://www.nacd.ie/publications/thc_cannabis.pdf

It's rife with inaccuracies.
Choices cuts include.

Although it needs high temperatures, nutrient-rich soil, copious amounts of water and a lot of light, herbal cannabis is grown in most countries worldwide due to advanced techniques such as hydroponic systems i.e. growing cannabis in nutrient solutions rather than soil and ultraviolet lights available to the grower

Good luck with that.

Although Ireland has not got the climate to grow these plants outdoors, they can be grown indoors

Incorrect.

The nub of the findings...

In the Netherlands, where the policy on cannabis consumption is very different to Ireland and the U.K., a 2009/2010 study [18] found the average THC content of sinsemilla to be similar to that found in the Home Office study, with the average THC content being 17.8%. This study also found that Dutch hashish made from Dutch-grown cannabis contained a lot more THC with an average content of 32.6%. This fact supports our findings, in that home-grown varieties tend to contain more than
imported cannabis.

Long story short: Like fruit an veg, locally produced equals fresher as produce tends to degrade in transit.

Ps. wikipedia is listed as one of their sources.

Wertz · 29-11-2011 06:52PM

Ultraviolet? lol
Aren't these people scientists? FFS kids in school know why we need an ozone layer...

tasha200 · 29-11-2011 06:54PM

last time I was in Amsterdam ( I dont smoke ) it was actually an eye opener to see the crap quality and high prices of weed, and also what was being passed of as speciality hash such as bubble etc.

I am sure there are growers in Ireland that produce top quality smoke, without it either being shaken, or sprayed, and with it being properly treated as a plant.. for that I would think it is something Ireland should be proud of... Also, I am sure this fantastic killer weed would be a tiny % in the market, with most of the stuff here being crap sprayed immature etc., or out door.... I would think a huge percent of the cannabis herb here is imported and of low quality and stacked to the heaven with chemicals that have not been flushed out properly... I would also think that if anyone noticed, apart fromt he ridiculous valuations the legal system gives here for cannabis when it suits them for prosecution, the prices are , infact, pretty much akin to those in holland, except cheap hash, which no one should really smoke anyway....
I prefer a bottle of vodka and an auld domestic punch up anyway, for what its worth

whitesands · 29-11-2011 07:01PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Shockin' stuff, where's that news storey?

news story, go on out of that!!!

ScumLord · 29-11-2011 07:02PM

tasha200 wrote: »

last time I was in Amsterdam ( I dont smoke ) it was actually an eye opener to see the crap quality and high prices of weed, and also what was being passed of as speciality hash such as bubble etc.

Some coffeeshops are tourist traps, the 2nd time I went to Amsterdam I met a local who brought me to better shops that where outside the centre he insisted the shops in the centre sell pure muck. The weed I got in the shop he brought me too was so pungent it made my eyes water when I opened the bag and it was half the price. Some places in the centre do have a good reputation for a particular strain of weed or hash but you'd need to do some research to find them.

tasha200 · 29-11-2011 08:29PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Some coffeeshops are tourist traps, the 2nd time I went to Amsterdam I met a local who brought me to better shops that where outside the centre he insisted the shops in the centre sell pure muck. The weed I got in the shop he brought me too was so pungent it made my eyes water when I opened the bag and it was half the price. Some places in the centre do have a good reputation for a particular strain of weed or hash but you'd need to do some research to find them.

for sure, Ive been to the netherlands perhaps 15 or 16 times, and have many dutch friends.. it is true if you leave the tourist traps etc the quality does get better, simply because these places would not survive locally if they sold the same crap that is in half the tupperware boxes in Amsterdam...
So, in some regards, the article can be seen as a little accurate lol.. although whatever makes them think that because the same seeds are used here as holland, and are cultivated in the same way (indoor) that the weed here is stronger... It really is one of the worst articles recently, however, one would expect nothing less really.... Legislation and prohibition really has to be backed up by diatribe and insulting the intelligence of themasses by such studys, articles and experts, when everyone knows its a heap of crock....

tdv123 · 29-11-2011 08:32PM

Snakeblood wrote: »

Pick a better example, that guy is a douchebag.

Howard Marks

Snowie · 29-11-2011 08:35PM

Ghandee wrote: »

Heard this on RTE news this morning.

Seems our weed is far more potent, (and potentially makes us more prone to mental health issue) than weed grown, and sold in the Dam!

http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-grown-cannabis-more-potent-than-imported-variety-report-292130-Nov2011/

HERBAL CANNABIS GROWN and used in Ireland is more potent than the imported variety, the National Advisory Committee on Drugs (NACD) has said.

In a report from its forensic science lab the NACD has warned of the dangers of cannabis grown in Ireland which contains a higher level of Tetrahydrocannabinol or THC, which can cause psychotic episodes, than quantities of the drug that are imported.

It also expressed concern about the “surges” in cannabis cultivation in Ireland overall.

The study stated that the reason for higher potency was because of the way the plant was grown indoors, producing herbal cannabis such as ‘skunk’ or ‘weed’.

“While the majority of cannabis products seized by An Garda Siochana in Ireland are thought to be imported from countries where it is specifically grown for exportation, there is concern about the surges in cannabis cultivation here in Ireland,” NACD chair Dr Des Corrigan said.

While cannabis grown in Ireland has high levels of THC it lacks the substance known as CBD which can mitigate the psychotic effects of THC when taken together.

The NACD said that samples taken from seizures of cannabis herb in Limerick, Cork, Tipperary, Bandon, Fermoy and Dublin has shown cannabis cultivated in Ireland had very high THC levels and very low CBD levels compared to imported herb or resin, which is known as ‘hash’.

As an example cannabis which was seized in Limerick and suspected as having been imported contained a 5 per cent level of THC compared to cannabis seized in Bandon and suspected as having been cultivated here which had a THC level of 16 per cent.

“In the context of the recent findings from the 2010/11 Drug Prevalence Survey that cannabis remains the most commonly used illicit drug in Ireland, monitoring the potency of available cannabis is extremely important,’ Dr Corrigan added.

All joking aside, mental health issues, and addiction to smoking weed is no laughing matter.
This news should really make potheads sit up and take notice!

**whistles, and looks around innocently**

:cool:

This is bull **** because you can make weed as strong as you want it to be

regardless of strain... :rolleyes:

Jagle · 29-11-2011 09:07PM

We Need Community wrote: »

I said absolutely nothing about weed being addictive, I was questioning why someone is so proud that they smoke everyday and the attitude that surrounds it, I get it that an occasional smoke can be relaxing but for someone to have to smoke everyday I would have to ask why, is life really that stressful that you need to. If someone was to drink everyday, it would be considered substance abuse so why do the same rules not apply to weed.

well weed isnt the same substance, so why would hte same rules apply to alcohol and tea?

We Need Community wrote: »

Weed is an expensive habit too if you were to smoke everyday, as you said yourself as people smoke more their tolerance builds so the cost would be more.

dont you worry about my pockets

Chuck Stone · 29-11-2011 09:35PM

Is there such a thing as a really mild weed or have they all been bred into mad trippy stuff?

Ghandee · 29-11-2011 09:40PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Is there such a thing as a really mild weed or have they all been bred into mad trippy stuff?

Yes, its called tobacco!

Chuck Stone · 29-11-2011 09:55PM

Ghandee wrote: »

Yes, its called tobacco!

Ah now.

I meant Mary J. Uana.

Jagle · 29-11-2011 09:56PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Ah now.

I meant Mary J. Uana.

yes the strenght of cannabis does not come from what these idiots think (the growing conditions) but from the genetics of the plant, buy weak seeds, get weak weed

44leto · 29-11-2011 10:00PM

I see a huge potential export market here, soon we will be saying what fiscal crisis. We need a brand name for it.

Chuck Stone · 29-11-2011 10:06PM

44leto wrote: »

I see a huge potential export market here, soon we will be saying what fiscal crisis. We need a brand name for it.

The Laughing Leprechaun?

The Green Green Grass of Home

Pot-o-gold.

The Spliffs of Moher.

Wertz · 29-11-2011 10:08PM

44leto wrote: »

I see a huge potential export market here, soon we will be saying what fiscal crisis. We need a brand name for it.

Ramshock. We could even give the US president a "bowl" of it on St Patrick's day...

Wertz · 29-11-2011 10:21PM

The blarney Stone.

Wertz · 29-11-2011 10:25PM

lol story on the 9 news now.

Weed grown in Ireland is more potent than weed in Amsterdam!

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