24/7 Alliance.

fattestman · 23-11-2009 08:57PM

There are rumours doing the rounds here in Cork that there'll be no strikes around the city tomorrow on account of the floods.

Anyone know anything about this?

23-11-2009 09:55PM

fattestman wrote: »

There are rumours doing the rounds here in Cork that there'll be no strikes around the city tomorrow on account of the floods.

Anyone know anything about this?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1123/partnership.html

nursextreme · 28-11-2011 01:19PM

Just over two years since the last post but The 24/7 Alliance is back being mentioned again in relation to proposed budget cut in premium pay.

pa990 · 28-11-2011 03:56PM

unfortunately i dont see the 24/7 alliance having any teeth, not much as been achieved by them imo

The Gardai (and the GRA) are restricted in what they can say or do due to 'An Garda Siochana Act 2005' http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2005/en/act/pub/0020/index.html
and i believe that the GRA stated that there would not be another BlueFlu.
The Nurses wont allow sick and eldery to suffer.
The FireService will just be replaced by the Army if they strike
And noone cares about the Prison Service, because it doesnt directly affect them.

so what happens... Nothing

coolhandluke · 28-11-2011 11:34PM

nursextreme wrote: »

Just over two years since the last post but The 24/7 Alliance is back being mentioned again in relation to proposed budget cut in premium pay.

There is no budget proposal to cut premium pay for existing public servants, possibly for new entrants, but that is what the croke pk agreement is supposed to achieve. Property is roughly 50% cheaper than it was 5 years ago, so i certainly won't be starting a fight to maintain new entrants allowances at their current levels.

nursextreme · 28-11-2011 11:59PM

coolhandluke wrote: »

There is no budget proposal to cut premium pay for existing public servants, possibly for new entrants, but that is what the croke pk agreement is supposed to achieve. Property is roughly 50% cheaper than it was 5 years ago, so i certainly won't be starting a fight to maintain new entrants allowances at their current levels.

So you don't mind a two tier pay system being implemented as long as you are protected by the Croke Park Agreement, let the next generation pick up the tab. Everyone should lose a percentage of their premium if it arises not just new entrants when there is a moratorium on recruitment still in place.

Delancey · 29-11-2011 01:07AM

Only yesterday I was chatting to a neighbour who was giving out yards about the state the country is in ( nothing new there ).
In relation to Garda pay and benefits he was bitterly complaining about the fact that Guards and their families ( spouses and children ) are entitled to , wait for it....... free GP visits and free prescriptions !

I suggested to him that he was wrong and perhaps he was confusing a benefit available to members of Garda Medical Aid ( expensive subscriptions I believe ) as opposed to something paid for by the Dept of Justice , no way was he wrong though - he was told by a fella he knows whose cousin in married to a Garda- so there

Where does this mis-information start ?

goldie fish · 29-11-2011 01:22AM

Delancey wrote: »

Only yesterday I was chatting to a neighbour who was giving out yards about the state the country is in ( nothing new there ).
In relation to Garda pay and benefits he was bitterly complaining about the fact that Guards and their families ( spouses and children ) are entitled to , wait for it....... free GP visits and free prescriptions !

I suggested to him that he was wrong and perhaps he was confusing a benefit available to members of Garda Medical Aid ( expensive subscriptions I believe ) as opposed to something paid for by the Dept of Justice , no way was he wrong though - he was told by a fella he knows whose cousin in married to a Garda- so there

Where does this mis-information start ?

The Indo, Joe duffy, Jealous neighbours.
I must get onto the DoJ actually. I think I'm entitled to back pay. Seems I should have been earning night and sunday rate while I was on leave.....

coolhandluke · 29-11-2011 10:11AM

nursextreme wrote: »

coolhandluke wrote: »

There is no budget proposal to cut premium pay for existing public servants, possibly for new entrants, but that is what the croke pk agreement is supposed to achieve. Property is roughly 50% cheaper than it was 5 years ago, so i certainly won't be starting a fight to maintain new entrants allowances at their current levels.

So you don't mind a two tier pay system being implemented as long as you are protected by the Croke Park Agreement, let the next generation pick up the tab. Everyone should lose a percentage of their premium if it arises not just new entrants when there is a moratorium on recruitment still in place.

People who joined before me have better conditions than me, people who joined after me have worse conditions than me, people who join from now on will have worse conditions than them, this is the way things are done.
The next generation will not be picking up any tab, they will simply be choosing to join a job that pays a certain rate at the time of joining, which is more than can be said for existing members.

Hooch · 29-11-2011 10:40AM

Delancey wrote: »

Only yesterday I was chatting to a neighbour who was giving out yards about the state the country is in ( nothing new there ).
In relation to Garda pay and benefits he was bitterly complaining about the fact that Guards and their families ( spouses and children ) are entitled to , wait for it....... free GP visits and free prescriptions !

I suggested to him that he was wrong and perhaps he was confusing a benefit available to members of Garda Medical Aid ( expensive subscriptions I believe ) as opposed to something paid for by the Dept of Justice , no way was he wrong though - he was told by a fella he knows whose cousin in married to a Garda- so there

Where does this mis-information start ?

The state do pay for Garda GP visits, however medical aid (which is the most expensive plan on the market) pays for everything else.

In regards where it starts.....what goldie said

johnnyrotten · 29-11-2011 10:44AM

pa990 wrote: »

unfortunately i dont see the 24/7 alliance having any teeth, not much as been achieved by them imo

The Gardai (and the GRA) are restricted in what they can say or do due to 'An Garda Siochana Act 2005' http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2005/en/act/pub/0020/index.html
and i believe that the GRA stated that there would not be another BlueFlu.
The Nurses wont allow sick and eldery to suffer.
The FireService will just be replaced by the Army if they strike
And noone cares about the Prison Service, because it doesnt directly affect them.

so what happens... Nothing

The Army do not have the trained personnel or equipment to "replace" the Fire Service.

Rawhead · 29-11-2011 01:32PM

Looks like the winds are changing with regards the CPA. I've a feeling that it will come under severe pressure in the new year and can't see it surviving.
There is bugger all we'll be able do about it either, the public would lynch anyone brave/foolish enough to go on strike.

With regards the paid GP visits, your neighbour was correct about that one though.

pa990 · 29-11-2011 04:24PM

johnnyrotten wrote: »

The Army do not have the trained personnel or equipment to "replace" the Fire Service.

they mighnt be able to fully replace them, but they will could and have in the past provided cover during a strike,
just like a Gardai have covered the prison services during their strikes

Delancey · 29-11-2011 05:19PM

Wow , paid GP visits - that IS a nice perk especially if you have children.

pa990 · 29-11-2011 06:06PM

Delancey wrote: »

Wow , paid GP visits - that IS a nice perk especially if you have children.

only free GP visits for the Garda.. not for his/her family

Delancey · 29-11-2011 06:55PM

Well at least I can see how my neighbour got the idea that Guards and families got these freebies.

I couldn't believe that he had it right but he was insistent , thanks for clarifying.

coolhandluke · 29-11-2011 11:08PM

Rawhead wrote: »

Looks like the winds are changing with regards the CPA. I've a feeling that it will come under severe pressure in the new year and can't see it surviving.
There is bugger all we'll be able do about it either, the public would lynch anyone brave/foolish enough to go on strike.

With regards the paid GP visits, your neighbour was correct about that one though.

Just because the sindo/indo writes article after article about the CPA and how good we all have it, doesn't mean this is actually the case. If the govt was going to scrap the CPA then they might as well do it now as what's the point.
I doubt anyone will be going on strike, but any reneging on the CPA by the govt would result in an immediate end to any and all reforms under the CPA, personally i'm not bothered as it's a lose lose either way.

24/7 Alliance.

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