'Prime Time Investigates' Suspended.....

texidub · 23-11-2011 11:50AM

Absolutely correct. RTE doesn't do actual community broadcasting. People confuse reporting from country villages with real community broadcasting, which involves opening up the airwaves to eh..... the community to make and broadcast their own programs.

The chances of that happening in a culture like Ireland's or being aided by a monopoly-esque broadcaster like RTE are very, very slim. Keep the head down, shut up and be good boys and girls is about the size of it... a message very much spread by RTE through the decades (a message that suits them VERY well since a) they mix int he same circles as the irish establishment and b) a bolshy, demanding audience in a truly open society would have had heads rolling in RTE a LONG time ago).

RTE should look after the broadcasting infrastructure and stick to news, culture (acting as an archive for the nation's culture) and public interest sport. TG4 should be closed down immediately and blended with RTE 1. Irish-language programming should account for about 3% of the programming on the new channel (equivalent to its current share of the Irish TV market), moving up and down in direct proportion to the number of people in the country who speak Irish on a daily basis.

RTE should immediately stop importing expensive foreign TV programmes. It's supposed to be a state broadcaster and programme maker --leave the foreign imports to other channels.

All its puerile chat shows should be cancelled immediately.

A strict wage scale should be adhered to. No private contracts with freelancers.

RTE is a typically Irish establishment entity --all false patriotism on one hand ("Look at all we do for the country/We have a public remit and responsibilities that go with it") and, on the other hand being all "Look! We can do chat shows like people in the real world media too!" and paying themselves VERY WELL to play out their make-believe fantasies! You can't cover all the serious. public interest, weighty stuff AND do all the fluff and foreign imports too. Leave the muck to TV3 and others and take care of what matters.

Independent investigative journalism on a state broadcaster? Really?

/rant

44leto · 23-11-2011 11:53AM

mdoyler2 wrote: »

There is very little community or broadcasting for the public good anyway. If the government wished they could change the legislation, to ensure that any broadcaster operating in the state provides funding for “public good broadcasting.” E.g. a percentage of revenue.

Privatising the RTE would save every family in the country the license fee

But that percentage of revenue get puts into programmes for the public good but are big advertising earners such as children's television or is incorporated into mainstream programmes, for example a programme like Greys Anatomy putting the dangers of drugs or alcohol into their programme. That is what usually happens with such legislation.

I believe Primetime is such a programme as is Nationwide, farmers programmes even the religious ones. Would y7ou like 2 TV3 because that is what you get. They do do investigative journalism but usually about prostitutes or drugs barons, sensationalist shyte.

I value RTE and you will find you would miss it if it was gone. On my own Tam/Nielsen rating survey I find I watch more RTE then any other station.

44leto · 23-11-2011 11:56AM

texidub wrote: »

Absolutely correct. RTE doesn't do actual community broadcasting. People confuse reporting from country villages with real community broadcasting, which involves opening up the airwaves to eh..... the community to make and broadcast their own programs.

The chances of that happening in a culture like Ireland's or being aided by a monopoly-esque broadcaster like RTE are very, very slim. Keep the head down, shut up and be good boys and girls is about the size of it... a message very much spread by RTE through the decades (a message that suits them VERY well since a) they mix int he same circles as the irish establishment and b) a bolshy, demanding audience in a truly open society would have had heads rolling in RTE a LONG time ago).

RTE should look after the broadcasting infrastructure and stick to news, culture (acting as an archive for the nation's culture) and public interest sport. TG4 should be closed down immediately and blended with RTE 1. Irish-language programming should account for about 3% of the programming on the new channel (equivalent to its current share of the Irish TV market), moving up and down in direct proportion to the number of people in the country who speak Irish on a daily basis.

RTE should immediately stop importing expensive foreign TV programmes. It's supposed to be a state broadcaster and programme maker --leave the foreign imports to other channels.

All its puerile chat shows should be cancelled immediately.

A strict wage scale should be adhered to. No private contracts with freelancers.

RTE is a typically Irish establishment entity --all false patriotism on one hand ("Look at all we do for the country/We have a public remit and responsibilities that go with it") and, on the other hand being all "Look! We can do chat shows like people in the real world media too!" and paying themselves VERY WELL to play out their make-believe fantasies! You can't cover all the serious. public interest, weighty stuff AND do all the fluff and foreign imports too. Leave the muck to TV3 and others and take care of what matters.

Independent investigative journalism on a state broadcaster? Really?

/rant

What on Earth would RTE want to hand over their time and the public station to some local who could do the very same on youtube, or boadrs for that matter. We are all in the media these days, I am posting on one of its outlets.

Handy11 · 23-11-2011 12:01PM

44leto wrote: »

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My point was once you got the high level corruption exposed, largely by investigative journalism, and all the public outrage at that, all the other public bodies cleaned up their act.

Can you give me an idea of the high level corruption that you say was exposed?

texidub · 23-11-2011 12:05PM

44leto wrote: »

What on Earth would RTE want to hand over their time and the public station to some local who could do the very same on youtube, or boadrs for that matter. We are all in the media these days, I am posting on one of its outlets.

Maybe they would do it because they are supposed to be a public service broadcaster? Maybe because they are happy to take money from 'some local' too in the form of the TV license which is extorted under threat of fines and imprisonment? Maybe because it would encourage a free and open society?

But they won't. It suits them to encourage a closed shop so that they can play out their fantasies.

44leto · 23-11-2011 12:06PM

Handy11 wrote: »

Can you give me an idea of the high level corruption that you say was exposed?

Jesus,,
All the Tribunals that has passed through the years, Haughey, Lawlor, Bertie, Lowry, etc etc etc

Handy11 · 23-11-2011 12:13PM

44leto wrote: »

Handy11 wrote: »

Can you give me an idea of the high level corruption that you say was exposed?

Jesus,,
All the Tribunals that has passed through the years, Haughey, Lawlor, Bertie, Lowry, etc etc etc

We were debating the Gardai, not politicians. You claim there was a spate of Gardai fired in the 80s and tha investigative journalism has been the main driver in cleaning up the Garda organisation from the top down. I was asking for an example or evidence of this. and don't quote the Morris or Barr tribunals, as they were isolated incidents.

My overall point is that PrimeTime frequently takes one angle, usually isolated or rare, and paints whole organisations with that one brush, by simply having no journalistic ethics or the desire to paint a full picture.

44leto · 23-11-2011 12:30PM

Handy11 wrote: »

We were debating the Gardai, not politicians. You claim there was a spate of Gardai fired in the 80s and tha investigative journalism has been the main driver in cleaning up the Garda organisation from the top down. I was asking for an example or evidence of this. and don't quote the Morris or Barr tribunals, as they were isolated incidents.

My overall point is that PrimeTime frequently takes one angle, usually isolated or rare, and paints whole organisations with that one brush, by simply having no journalistic ethics or the desire to paint a full picture.

We were debating primetime, but that is neither here nor there. I don't know why you would exclude your posted examples because that was very high level sickening corruption, but I would not taint all the guard with that brush.

Would you say the quashing of fines or the abusing the badge was not corruption, I would. But if you want to clean up a corrupt state, you clean up higher level corruption then the rest will follow. That is just my opinion. That was done by investigative journalism in both RTE and the print media. But IMO primetime did it better, they have more resources. The print media worldwide is laying off staff and cutting back whereever they can and expensive time consuming investigative journalism is one of those areas.

The media world is going through a transformation and going web based, even the great new york times is in trouble. If we do not have a service that does this journalism we will be all worse off, Primetime is a place that still does it IMO well.

Dyr · 23-11-2011 12:37PM

[QUOTE=Handy11;75620472 and don't quote the Morris or Barr tribunals, as they were isolated incidents.
[/QUOTE]

You mean isolated in that they got caught? :rolleyes:

The shenanigans that the morris tribunal revealed doesn't happen without a culture of lawlessness being present in de force. And the tribunal found that was the case. Oddly enough a lot of its recommendations on how to keep that gardas on the straight and narrow have never been implemented.

Keitho Dub · 23-11-2011 08:12PM

How menny other times has this happen ? i think alot as Irish tv and papers investigates jack thay go on what Garda or other people who do not no what thay are on about.

Gummy Panda · 23-11-2011 08:14PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Miriam O'Callaghan should get her tits out.

I realise this has nothing to do with the subject matter of this thread, but I felt it needed to be said.

I'd vote you into the dail if this was your campaign agenda

Dotrel · 23-11-2011 08:16PM

Prime Time Investigates ..... Homer Simpson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAe3FpLGvBY

munster4868 · 23-11-2011 08:35PM

Name me someone that's perfect... Prime time exposed alot of wrong doings since 2001... This time they got it wrong but hea, as I said they done alot more good than bad!!
Nursing home scandels - church run institutions - disabilities - taxi service - to name a few!!

mikom · 23-11-2011 08:58PM

munster4868 wrote: »

Name me someone that's perfect... Prime time exposed alot of wrong doings since 2001... This time they got it wrong but hea, as I said they done alot more good than bad!!
Nursing home scandels - church run institutions - disabilities - taxi service - to name a few!!

Always reactive...... never proactive.
You give Primetime too much credit.
The dogs in the street would be yapping about such scandals before primetime got up off their arse.
They should have asked the dogs for the truth about Fr. Reynolds, as it may have been more accurate.

Major RTE shill on this thread by the way (not you munster4868).
I'd advise readers to check posting history of contributors.

munster4868 · 23-11-2011 09:25PM

mikom wrote: »

Always reactive...... never proactive.
You give Primetime too much credit.
The dogs in the street would be yapping about such scandals before primetime got up off their arse.
They should have asked the dogs for the truth about Fr. Reynolds, as it may have been more accurate.

Major RTE shill on this thread by the way (not you munster4868).
I'd advise readers to check posting history of contributors.

Maybe so... but correct me if I am wrong here but there is no obligation on RTE to investigate crime in Ireland.. There obligation under their remit is to provide a public service in which I think more often they do! Other than trying to brain-wash us with repeats of S**t shows and poorly made homegrown T.V. but I think that's more down to budget and an aging crop of people within that organisation.

If you reply to say a public service should include crime investigation than wouldn't all the rest of the public sector be obliged to do the same as they under their contracts provide a public service and paid by the public purse!!

On the point of this tread and the major wrong doing Primetime done in relation to the Priest in question, yes agree, major failings in investigating the truth happened... but I refer to my earlier post... more often they DO get it right and I do find that this type of bashing and finger pointing to be a bit rich! You say that the dogs on the streets know about things before RTE would report about it, but should it not firstly be the duty of the citizen to report this to the Gardai than the Gardai investigate it, or maybe some other News agency... but they don't.... well except for one well know writer for a certain newspaper!! I would say why they have got it right before is that time was spent in investigating subjects and giving them the right of reply and looking into the subject in great detail thus causing this illusion of time passing and the dogs in the street barking about it as you said!

Taking your point about getting the finger out, I think they may have done it this time and didn't take the time they usually put into past investigations and ran with a flawed story!

Now in saying that I do feel heads should role if the current investigation into what happened finds that to be the case!!
The public service or sector can't and shouldn't be allowed to be shielded anymore from the mistakes that they cause.

ejmaztec · 23-11-2011 09:33PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Miriam O'Callaghan should get her tits out.

I realise this has nothing to do with the subject matter of this thread, but I felt it needed to be said.

Here you go

mikom · 23-11-2011 09:41PM

munster4868 wrote: »

Maybe so... but correct me if I am wrong here but there is no obligation on RTE to investigate crime in Ireland.. There obligation under their remit is to provide a public service in which I think more often they do!

So what is "primetime investigates"?
What should it investigate?
Kiddies tea parties perhaps.
Might as well scrap it so.

munster4868 wrote: »

You say that the dogs on the streets know about things before RTE would report about it, but should it not firstly be the duty of the citizen to report this to the Gardai than the Gardai investigate it,

Believe me citizens report to the Gardai , day in, day out.
You just never hear about it

munster4868 · 23-11-2011 09:46PM

mikom wrote: »

So what is "primetime investigates"?
What should it investigate?
Kiddies tea parties perhaps.
Might as well scrap it so.

Believe me citizens report to the Gardai , day in, day out.
You just never hear about it

Ah come on.... look at all the successful issues that was reported on... nursing homes - taxis - church run places etc....
I think you well know that slapping someone down for one mistake is a bit rich but hea, I would and will never have any say in how RTE do their business..
On the other point - oh I do know

Carlow52 · 23-11-2011 10:26PM

time to can the trocaire box/ foreign aid/ etc until how come black african women were able to fool AK etc is explained.. at least scully suffered from aggressive behavior

mikom · 23-11-2011 10:31PM

Carlow52 wrote: »

time to can the trocaire box/ foreign aid/ etc until how come black african women were able to fool AK etc is explained.. at least scully suffered from aggressive behavior

With Pamela Isbeckii as a mentor anything is possible.

Capt'n Midnight · 24-11-2011 01:28AM

mdoyler2 wrote: »

There is very little community or broadcasting for the public good anyway. If the government wished they could change the legislation, to ensure that any broadcaster operating in the state provides funding for “public good broadcasting.” E.g. a percentage of revenue.

Privatising the RTE would save every family in the country the license fee.

LOL

TV3 can ask for money any time they like, all they have to do is make programs that are more than talking heads or foreign imports. It's just that they don't make any qualifying (ie expensive) programs.

If the govt. slashed RTE funding you can be bloody sure they won't cut the license fee (which is less than the one in the UK) Look at most of EU , state channels have ads and license fee.

Privatising RTE would just create a channel that shows BBC imports (cf. RTE2) (TV3 does the ITN ones) unless you gave it a charter like Channel 4, but to do that you'd need to give it a budget...

But yeah they could trim some of the fat in RTE. For the budget they are on TG4 outshine RTE, and completely wipe TV3.

blackdog2 · 24-11-2011 01:31AM

It is about time. Research has shown that if you mix a depressant like Prime Time investigate with a Caffeine, Taurine and Sugar loaded programme like The News, your body goes into overdrive, with effects on all major bodily functions. I know this because my step-father's girlfriend chaired the research in Trinity, which was part-funded by the European Court of Criminal Sex Appeal.

'Prime Time Investigates' Suspended.....

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