I am your public representative unless you are Black African

eoin5 · 22-11-2011 02:28PM

Hes just too lazy to come up with a better way of dealing with those people. Poor show.

wes · 22-11-2011 02:33PM

IMHO he should lose his job (and not go to court for incitement), as you can't just decide to not to represent a certain race.

Ellis Dee · 22-11-2011 02:43PM

Davidth88 wrote: »

Interesting stance from Darren Scully in Naas

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fine-gaelrsquos-man-in-naas-i-wonrsquot-deal-with-black-africans-2941395.html

I am torn by this , one side of me says you are a public representative , you should represent all people from your area . The other side says, well if a certain section of soc acts badly towards you ,you can withdraw that service.

I wonder what would have happened if the same person had said that he wouldn't take representations from Travellers ?

Or if he had been approached by a particularly obnoxious and pushy person belonging to, let's say, the Jewish community and had found the experience so unpleasant that he decided to announce he would henceforth no longer deal with any Jews?:rolleyes: Not only would Fine Gael already have given him the bum's rush, which he thoroughly deserves, by now, they would be busy trying to airbrush him out of the party's history as well.:eek:

If you are a public representative, and no one forced him to become one and accept the rewards that he gets for it, you must judge everyone as an individual. To refuse services, to which they are entitled, to an entire group based on the actions of one or several members of that group is discrimination, shameful, racist and inexcusable. Not only is he a racist, he is also an idiot.:mad:

People like Scully have no place in Irish public life. We already have far too much casual, ignorance-, pettiness- and envy-based racism among certain segments of the population. If a public representative like him can say what he said and not be called to heel for it, it marks a new and worrying development in our political life and can only give encouragement and legitimation to the nasty racist elements in Ireland who indulge in collective hate.:rolleyes:

alejandro1977 · 22-11-2011 02:44PM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Or if he had been approached by a particularly obnoxious and pushy person belonging to, let's say, the Jewish community and had found the experience so unpleasant that he decided to announce he would henceforth no longer deal with any Jews?

By now? get a grip - it's just happened. Feel free to back up your point with evidence - and smilies don't count

walshb · 22-11-2011 02:45PM

BTW, his views on black African people in Ireland are held by many people who have had dealings with them. Like it or not their reputation is bad, and that is down to people's experiences with black African people. Me personally have not had many dealings, and the ones I have had have been ok. But, him being in this position and coming out with this view is off the mark. He may well be coming across as being blunt and honest, but sometimes in public life one needs restraint and diplomacy.

Nodin · 22-11-2011 03:27PM

walshb wrote: »

......... He may well be coming across as being blunt and honest,............

...or he may not. At all.

Does anybody have an idea of the size of the African population of Naas (as a percentage of the whole)?

walshb · 22-11-2011 03:33PM

Nodin wrote: »

...or he may not. At all.

Does anybody have an idea of the size of the African population of Naas (as a percentage of the whole)?

Yes, he may well just be racist. Nobody knows really but him. It doesn't look good for him, although, with how easy the race card is bandied about these
days I guess we could sympathise with him.

Percentage of black people, or black African people in Naas? I would say 5/100? Would that be a national average? Maybe less.

Wiki: The 2006 Irish census recorded 40,525 people of Black African ethnicity. Now, that is the official, so one must consider
that most likely there were more then, and are more now. So, 60,000, which is less than 1.4/100.

Nodin · 22-11-2011 03:51PM

walshb wrote: »

Yes, he may well just be racist. Nobody knows really but him. It doesn't look good for him, although, with how easy the race card is bandied about these
days I guess we could sympathise with him..

If you say that you will not deal with 'white people' you're a racist. If you said 'brown Americans', you're a racist, and if you say 'black Africans', you're a racist. No ifs, no buts, nada.

walshb wrote: »

Percentage of black people, or black African people in Naas? .

Black african people in Naas. Not a guess, but the figures. I'm intrigued to know how and why the good mayor is so put upon by them that he needs to hang himself publically.

Fratton Fred · 22-11-2011 03:56PM

I really fail to see what thje debate is.

A mayor has said he will not represent people on the basis of their ethnicity.

That is discrimination based on grounds of race.

He should resign or be sacked, that is a disgusting position for an elected representative to take.

Google Gold · 22-11-2011 04:00PM

In uniting a country like Ireland with the whole world there will be inevitable new social conflicts.

I'm sure he doesn't care if he's called racist from the African's I can just imagine a situation The African man is starting to talk to loud then he start's shouting or whaling, the mayor asks for some peace the african give's none the mayor walks away the african call's racist!

If it was such a respective case where the mayor was first branded as been racist against African's. Then why when he decides not to represent a group that he perceives to be openly aggressive against his political career does he get all this stick for.

Pride Fighter · 22-11-2011 04:00PM

This 'person' if he can be described as such should be barred from holding public office and jailed. There should be zero tolerance for racist pigs.

djpbarry · 22-11-2011 04:01PM

walshb wrote: »

BTW, his views on black African people in Ireland are held by many people who have had dealings with them. Like it or not their reputation is bad, and that is down to people's experiences with black African people.

Is it? How can you be sure? Couldn’t we just as easily put it down to urban myths?

walshb wrote: »

Yes, he may well just be racist. Nobody knows really but him. It doesn't look good for him, although, with how easy the race card is bandied about these
days I guess we could sympathise with him.

The guy is refusing to deal with an entire race of people – how could he possibly considered to be anything other than racist?

walshb · 22-11-2011 04:02PM

Nodin wrote: »

If you say that you will not deal with 'white people' you're a racist. If you said 'brown Americans', you're a racist, and if you say 'black Africans', you're a racist. No ifs, no buts, nada.

Black african people in Naas. Not a guess, but the figures. I'm intrigued to know how and why the good mayor is so put upon by them that he needs to hang himself publically.

Well, one will just have to ask those in power in Naas to come up with the figures. Anyway, the figures are irrelevant. Even the official census figures are still a guess, albeit an educated one. Like mine! Ha! He just doesn't like dealing with them due to what he experienced with them.

BTW, I am well aware of what a racist is, or is perceived to be. It still is open to debate and is subjective.

Pardon the pun, but it's not black and white. A lot of it has to do with personal experience.

One just has to look at when the race card is thrown out to realise that many people do not understand the term racist.

This man's comments I would consider not very good. He will be hard pressed to explain them.

Suryavarman · 22-11-2011 04:03PM

Pride Fighter wrote: »

This 'person' if he can be described as such should be barred from holding public office and jailed. There should be zero tolerance for racist pigs.

Jailed? Fair enough he should lose his job over this but jailing somebody for having an opinion is a bit extreme.

djpbarry · 22-11-2011 04:05PM

Google Gold wrote: »

I'm sure he doesn't care if he's called racist from the African's I can just imagine a situation The African man is starting to talk to loud then he start's shouting or whaling, the mayor asks for some peace the african give's none the mayor walks away the african call's racist!

Refusing to deal with one particular rude or aggressive individual is in no way racist. Subsequently refusing to deal with anyone of the same skin colour as said individual is the very definition of racist.

walshb · 22-11-2011 04:08PM

djpbarry wrote: »

Is it? How can you be sure? Couldn’t we just as easily put it down to urban myths?
The guy is refusing to deal with an entire race of people – how could he possibly considered to be anything other than racist?

Urban myths? Well, when many, some or few people are verbally saying things and expressing their views I wouldn't call that an urban myth.

anymore · 22-11-2011 04:10PM

Pride Fighter wrote: »

This 'person' if he can be described as such should be barred from holding public office and jailed. There should be zero tolerance for racist pigs.

Come on for Gods sake - it is a bit of a storm in a tea cup !
Is it racist to have 'Councils for Immigrants' funded by the taxpayer ?

Pride Fighter · 22-11-2011 04:10PM

Suryavarman wrote: »

Jailed? Fair enough he should lose his job over this but jailing somebody for having an opinion is a bit extreme.

Incitement to hatred is a crime. Also jailing sets an example for all the wannabe Nick Griffin's and Adolf Hitler's.

professore · 22-11-2011 04:11PM

So he's basically saying every black person in his constituency is ignorant and rude, even the ones he's never met. And people are defending him as not being racist. If that's not racist, then what is?

Will he say the same if he has to be seen by a black doctor in Naas hospital? Or meeting with the previous lord mayor of Portlaoise down the road?

These are the people who had the "talk to the foreigners in your office day" campaign a few years ago, while the public sector is the most ethnically homogeneous workplace in the country.

It is ****ing pathetic that people on here are trying to defend him.

I'm sure he will be retired on full salary or offered a job on some race relations quango knowing how pathetic this country has become.

Mycroft H · 22-11-2011 04:14PM

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/naas-mayor-who-wonrsquot-deal-with-black-africans-may-quit-2941395.html

The radio interview is at the bottom.

I think there will be many politicians and furthermore ordinary citizens who would agree with him privately but publicly he is in the middle of a ****storm at the moment. There is many people who are very quick to pull out the race card in this country

Ostrom · 22-11-2011 04:15PM

Seems reasonable, a very efficient way to deal with aggression. If only other such aggressors or general population-level scummers possesed as convenient a marker as skin color.

Perhaps the Mayor and his staff should draft a schedule of permissible characteristics and force some form of visible identification, or implement a screening system?

anymore · 22-11-2011 04:16PM

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Incitement to hatred is a crime. Also jailing sets an example for all the wannabe Nick Griffin's and Adolf Hitler's.

On the contrary it would be a boon for the Nick Griffins of the world - ask the Shinners how jailing people does wonders ofr recrutiment !
AS for the Hitlers, they only have to look to South Africa to see how contries start turning from democracy and setting on the road to dictatorship ! And to look at zimbabwe to see the end result.

Nodin · 22-11-2011 04:17PM

anymore wrote: »

Come on for Gods sake - it is a bit of a storm in a tea cup !
Is it racist to have 'Councils for Immigrants' funded by the taxpayer ?

What?

JonathanAnon · 22-11-2011 04:21PM

Oh_Noes wrote: »

I just heard on the radio that Labour's Aodhan O'Riordan is reporting this to the Gardai under incitement to hatred laws.

I find this sort of playing to the left wing, politically correct audience very cynical... Scully is gonna get in huge trouble over what he said anyway, without this sort of nonsense from Labour..

walshb · 22-11-2011 04:23PM

JonathanAnon wrote: »

I find this sort of playing to the left wing, politically correct audience very cynical... Scully is gonna get in huge trouble over what he said anyway, without this sort of nonsense from Labour..

Big time; she's simply tryin' to make a name for herself. Sad woman! It's the likes of her that I would be more wary of.

Suryavarman · 22-11-2011 04:24PM

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Incitement to hatred is a crime.

Refusing to deal with somebody is hardly incitement to hatred though is it?

Also jailing sets an example for all the wannabe Nick Griffin's and Adolf Hitler's.

Why not jail everyone who smokes cannabis to teach all those Pablo Escobar wannabes a lesson? Why not jail everyone that doesn't want an overweight partner to teach everyone that doesn't like overweight people a lesson? Just because you don't like somebodies opinion doesn't mean they should be put in prison.

JonathanAnon · 22-11-2011 04:25PM

walshb wrote: »

Big time; she's simply tryin' to make a name for herself. Sad woman! It's the likes of her that I would be more wary of.

Him... (Aodhan is Irish for Aiden I think)... Vincent Browne pronounced it wrong about 10 times on his show the other night.. O'Riordan was getting really p1ssed off by the end of the show

walshb · 22-11-2011 04:27PM

Suryavarman wrote: »

Refusing to deal with somebody is hardly incitement to hatred though is it?

Why not jail everyone who smokes cannabis to teach all those Pablo Escobar wannabes a lesson? Why not jail everyone that doesn't want an overweight partner to teach everyone that doesn't like overweight people a lesson? Just because you don't like somebodies opinion doesn't mean they should be put in prison.

But his apparnent negative labelling of a particular ethnicity could be considered incitement. He doesn't have to say "kill kill kill" or "hate hate hate" for it to be considered incitement to hatred.

walshb · 22-11-2011 04:27PM

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Him... (Aodhan is Irish for Aiden I think)... Vincent Browne pronounced it wrong about 10 times on his show the other night.. O'Riordan was getting really p1ssed off by the end of the show

Thanks. How silly of me. Goes to show nobody knows who the **** he is.

glenkeeran · 22-11-2011 04:40PM

Pride Fighter wrote: »

This 'person' if he can be described as such should be barred from holding public office and jailed. There should be zero tolerance for racist pigs.

This man must of been drive to the end of his patience to do this, personally i am pissed off which ireland been so welcoming and the ordinary citizen getting in line last for everything.
The race card is used far to often especially by ie blacks or jews. For example i was drawn to a website last week regarding some people in ireland protesting outside the israeli embassy and this was published..http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4149059,00.html

We as irish people need to get a grip. fix our own roads, be first in line to see our doctors or in line at our hospitals and even get a chance to get into a social wefare office.

No i dont condone racists but to say he should be jailed is silly. But he should be asked to explain himself.

I am your public representative unless you are Black African

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