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DB10 · 18-11-2011 04:28PM

To clear up my posts:

I know its a side issue, but I felt its an interesting one, in that you could name of dozens of black players that came through the other clubs but not Liverpool. Possibly Everton as well. Now maybe its that there wasnt as much multicultural aspect in Liverpool city years ago as London or the south of England, so that probably explains it. I'm not trying to troll I just thought it was an interesting point. Im not a united fan either.

Ive never tried to insinuate there is racism in LFC, obviously they buy as much black players as the next club.

Obviously this is a touchy subject so I could have worded it better.

DB10 · 18-11-2011 04:31PM

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

You're talking about how many black players liverpool bright through the academy...

Opinions like yours are ruining the thread.

Yes that was point indeed, in that it is very small number along with Everton.
I thought we could discuss this maturely but obviously some people dont want to do so.

If people could maybe address the post instead of insulting others maybe as a forum we could improve.

Paul Tergat · 18-11-2011 04:34PM

DB10 wrote: »

Obviously this is a touchy subject so I could have worded it better.

It not a touchy subject at all. You are talking irrelevant ****e and are rightly being pulled up on it

Revolution9 · 18-11-2011 04:36PM

I, for one, am extremely uncomfortable with the lack of Buddhist players being brought through at Yeovil Town.

DB21 · 18-11-2011 04:41PM

Revolution9 wrote: »

I, for one, am extremely uncomfortable with the lack of Buddhist players being brought through at Yeovil Town.

Pfft, that's nothing, I mean nothing, in comparison to the lack of players from the Jedi religion league wide. It's a disgrace, Joe.

SM01 · 18-11-2011 04:43PM

No joke - I'd a mate who played in a punk band called "The Fat Black Jewish Lesbian Feminists" about 15 years ago. Everyone hated them.

SlickRic · 18-11-2011 04:44PM

DB10 wrote: »

I think the politics and club bias have lately ruined this thread. Too many people taking their clubs side and not being objective.

mate, that's not what has ruined this thread lately.

it's was long, and possibly not to everyone's tastes with the detail sometimes, but the only problem in the last few pages was you carelessly, or purposely, insinuating that Liverpool is a racist club.

now everyone, back on topic without the flaming efforts...or it will be closed, and neither of the superthreads would appreciate that

DOC09UNAM · 18-11-2011 04:49PM

DB10 wrote: »

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

You're talking about how many black players liverpool bright through the academy...

Opinions like yours are ruining the thread.

Yes that was point indeed, in that it is very small number along with Everton.
I thought we could discuss this maturely but obviously some people dont want to do so.

If people could maybe address the post instead of insulting others maybe as a forum we could improve.

The fact it's in a thread about racism sort of implies you think the club are racist.

eagle eye · 18-11-2011 05:23PM

I'm not defending racism but I know a guy who wouldn't be as annoyed by a racial slur as he would be by somebody saying something awful about his wife or kids or other family members.

If on a football field the intention is to try and get an edge over your opponent by using something then for me its not a major issue as long as the guy doesn't actually believe or intend what he is saying. I've told guys that the first time they try and pass me that I'm going to break their leg with some expletives thrown in, I've told a guy I done his wife before he got near her and worse. The only intention when I did these things was to upset him and get him off his game. I've shook hands with these people when the game was over and told them that I was just was trash talking and that its not true or whatever needed to be said.

If they want to go down this road then they have to take all the other stuff thats said on a football field out of the game too and thats going to make it more of a panzy sport than it already is. But its time a decision was made one way or the other and get on with it. This thing of one guy being charged with something while another guy isn't is ridiculous. Charge them all or don't charge anybody.

Fuhrer · 18-11-2011 05:25PM

eagle eye wrote: »

If on a football field the intention is to try and get an edge over your opponent by using something then for me its not a major issue as long as the guy doesn't actually believe or intend what he is saying.

Good lord...

eagle eye · 18-11-2011 05:29PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Good lord...

Please use a bit of context and not just quote a little bit of a post to start a reaction.

I'm saying that if its being used in a context of gamesmanship and that its just trash talking on the field for that purpose then its no big deal to me.

DOC09UNAM · 18-11-2011 05:30PM

I'm convinced, eagle eye is sepp blatter in disguise!

Fuhrer · 18-11-2011 05:37PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Please use a bit of context and not just quote a little bit of a post to start a reaction.

I'm saying that if its being used in a context of gamesmanship and that its just trash talking on the field for that purpose then its no big deal to me.

Which is exactly what my extract said.

I repeat, Good lord...

eagle eye · 18-11-2011 05:43PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Which is exactly what my extract said.

I repeat, Good lord...

So do you want a ban on all trash talk then? Or are you just strictly against racial remarks? I think of a racial slur just like any other insult.

amiable · 18-11-2011 05:44PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Which is exactly what my extract said.

I repeat, Good lord...

While i don't agree with eagle eye maybe you could engage in debate with him as this is a forum?

@eagle eye do you not believe there is a line not to be crossed with regards racism?

parker kent · 18-11-2011 05:47PM

eagle eye wrote: »

So do you want a ban on all trash talk then? Or are you just strictly against racial remarks? I think of a racial slur just like any other insult.

I think most people would differentiate between racism and "trash talking".

SlickRic · 18-11-2011 05:48PM

a racial slur is not like any other insult though.

you can think it all you want, it's just not. it's one of these "lines" that society accepts, and rightfully so, you just do not cross anymore.

it can't just be a free for all on the football field.

eagle eye · 18-11-2011 05:49PM

amiable wrote: »

Whule i don't agree with eagle eye maybe you could engage in debate with him as this is a forum?

@eagle eye do you not believe there is a line not to be crossed with regards racism?

I certainly do but I don't think calling somebody a name on a football field should incite an FA charge. If the players talk after the final whistle and the guy is apologetic for it and explains its was only trash talk to try and get to him on the pitch then I think it should be forgotten about.

I'm totally against the media coverage this is getting. I think it will make things worse instead of better because its not intelligent media thats reporting it. The answer as I've said recently in another thread is to educate people that its wrong. That can be done with kids in school and with documentaries where the history is explained and all that.

eagle eye · 18-11-2011 05:51PM

SlickRic wrote: »

a racial slur is not like any other insult though.

you can think it all you want, it's just not. it's one of these "lines" that society accepts, and rightfully so, you just do not cross anymore.

it can't just be a free for all on the football field.

Well I think differently to that and I have some friends who would have been the subject of some of this and they would too. One of my buddies often takes it to another level in a pitch if some guy starts. He goes on about black guys have bigger you know whats and then asks the guy if he wants to drop the shorts and see whose is bigger.:D

Fuhrer · 18-11-2011 05:53PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I think differently to that and I have some friends who would have been the subject of some of this and they would too. One of my buddies often takes it to another level in a pitch if some guy starts. He goes on about black guys have bigger you know whats and then asks the guy if he wants to drop the shorts and see whose is bigger.:D

You dont think Racism is a problem because your mate asks the black people he plays football with if he can see their cocks?

eagle eye · 18-11-2011 05:56PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

You dont think Racism is a problem because your mate asks the black people he plays football with if he can see their cocks?

The friend I'm referring to is black. Get it now??

willmunny1990 · 18-11-2011 05:56PM

Anton Ferdinand allegedly was slagging of JTs personal life all match...does it justify Terry's racial insult eagle eye? (Thats if he did racially abuse him of course :rolleyes:) I think anyone would be a liar if they said they wouldn't do the same. Itd be hard to take those insults without responding.

el dude · 18-11-2011 06:01PM

****ing naggers the lot of ye.

tommyhaas · 18-11-2011 06:04PM

Blatter wrote: »

I wonder how long more this process will take, anyone have any indication?

I read somewhere (can't remember where) that it's 4 weeks until the hearing, so as to allow Suarez time to construct a defence

DB10 wrote: »

Yes that was point indeed, in that it is very small number along with Everton.

Anichebe, Rodwell and Osman immediately spring to mind. Just to go with the list of Liverpool players posted earlier

SlickRic · 18-11-2011 06:06PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I think differently to that and I have some friends who would have been the subject of some of this and they would too. One of my buddies often takes it to another level in a pitch if some guy starts. He goes on about black guys have bigger you know whats and then asks the guy if he wants to drop the shorts and see whose is bigger.:D

that's fine for you and your mates if that's the social convention between you guys.

but i think the vast majority agree that, for the sake of the game, for it's sanity, for sportsmanship and common decency, it is absolutely right that this sort of thing should not happen on a football field. end of.

i know we live in an age of complete freedom of expression, but there still has to be a few lines you should not cross.

eagle eye · 18-11-2011 06:07PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Anton Ferdinand allegedly was slagging of JTs personal life all match...does it justify Terry's racial insult eagle eye? (Thats if he did racially abuse him of course :rolleyes:) I think anyone would be a liar if they said they wouldn't do the same. Itd be hard to take those insults without responding.

If he was doing it as gamesmanship for the purposes of aiding to win a football game then I don't have a problem with it as long as he explains himself afterwords and shakes hands with Anton. And if Anton done that other stuff then the same goes for him. If they don't sort it out between them afterwards and the person really believes what they were saying then we have a problem.

tommyhaas · 18-11-2011 06:07PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Anton Ferdinand allegedly was slagging of JTs personal life all match...does it justify Terry's racial insult eagle eye? (Thats if he did racially abuse him of course :rolleyes:) I think anyone would be a liar if they said they wouldn't do the same. Itd be hard to take those insults without responding.

Are you serious? You think that Ferdinand stating facts to Terry (albeit in an offensive manner) justifies racial insults?

If someone is insulting you all match, then fair enough respond, but to use a racial comment is absolutely crossing the line

eagle eye · 18-11-2011 06:09PM

SlickRic wrote: »

that's fine for you and your mates if that's the social convention between you guys.

but i think the vast majority agree that, for the sake of the game, for it's sanity, for sportsmanship and common decency, it is absolutely right that this sort of thing should not happen on a football field. end of.

i know we live in an age of complete freedom of expression, but there still has to be a few lines you should not cross.

Are you saying that somebody saying something awful about your wife/gf/family member is not as bad as a racial slur?

Nalz · 18-11-2011 06:11PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Which is exactly what my extract said.

I repeat, Good lord...

Although I despise racism, I agree with a lot of what eagle eye said.

I revert back to my post when every single game in the UK and here in the LOI there is chants with colour language in it, with kids in stadium witnessing fans behaviour and listening to these chants and nothing is said about it. Sometimes missiles go a miss and a lot of the times nothing is done about it. Cheating on the pitch costing clubs and countries millions and nothing is done about it.

Some low life insults a race by opening his mouth whether intentionally or not and there is uproar! Furthermore its impossible to police and distingush a lot of these remarks as to whether they are in fact racist or not. Language, context and even tone comes into play.

Discrimination of a race or creed is one thing but calling a player a name on the pitch... sticks and stones comes to mind!

Its wrong but I don't see how its getting so much attention in comparison to other situations. If it was a case that a player, team or a section of fans came out and targeted a group/race/creed then its a serious issue...but is making a sly dirty remark during a game worth all this when cheating goes on the field every game and fans sing songs containing words such as shíte, cúnt, boll0x and fúck on a regular basis?

willmunny1990 · 18-11-2011 06:16PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Are you serious? You think that Ferdinand stating facts to Terry (albeit in an offensive manner) justifies racial insults?

If someone is insulting you all match, then fair enough respond, but to use a racial comment is absolutely crossing the line

Anton Ferdinand was apparently offending JT over his personal life and it would obviously be a sensitive issue to anybody.

If a black person riled someone up to extreme lengths, all i'm saying is that its not that unnatural for a racial slur to be said back in the heat of the moment.

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