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  • #332
    lugha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭lugha


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    and i disagree. republicans do have the moral authority over loyalists in asking them to respect the wishes of the people. you see, when ireland was divided, the will of the people was denied.....a free independent country. now take scotland for instance. if they have their potential referendum in the future and they vote yes for independence, will it also be divided in two....... a part that wants to stay in the union, and the part that wants independence? dont think so. there is nothing democratic about the current irish divide
    By republicans I mean physical force republicans who sought to bring about a united Ireland by violent means against the wishes of the majority of Irish people. And I fail to see how your claim that the will of the people was denied has any bearing one way or the other on their authority to lecture others on democracy? They didn’t practice it so they have no business preaching about it.


  • #333
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    lugha wrote: »
    By republicans I mean physical force republicans who sought to bring about a united Ireland by violent means against the wishes of the majority of Irish people. And I fail to see how your claim that the will of the people was denied has any bearing one way or the other on their authority to lecture others on democracy? They didn’t practice it so they have no business preaching about it.

    well then i agree with you if your talking about physical force republicans. but then thats beside the point really


  • #334
    KeithAFC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,239 ✭✭✭✭KeithAFC


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    By MI5/6, the RUC, and the Army?:rolleyes: How many innocent Protestants were jailed for something they didn't do, a la Guildford 4/Birmingham 6?

    British 'justice' at its best.
    No. By PIRA intimidation and Sinn Fein intimidation.


  • #335
    The Scientician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭The Scientician


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    if they have their potential referendum in the future and they vote yes for independence, will it also be divided in two....... a part that wants to stay in the union, and the part that wants independence? dont think so. there is nothing democratic about the current irish divide

    If a sizeable minority of the population concentrated on a specific region of Scotland want to remain part of the UK and are willing to take up arms to preserve that union, then yes Scotland would suffer a similar partition. Partition was the least worst solution to the Irish question in the '20s.


  • #336
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    The Scientician wrote: »
    If a sizeable minority of the population concentrated on a specific region of Scotland want to remain part of the UK and are willing to take up arms to preserve that union, then yes Scotland would suffer a similar partition. Partition was the least worst solution to the Irish question in the '20s.


    not in a million years would that happen. anyway if that really is democracy, why arnt large concentrations of the north like derry etc. brought back into the republic or why arnt parts of scotland independant already?. or where do you draw (the gerrymandered) line?


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  • #337
    snafuk35
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 833 ✭✭✭snafuk35


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    not in a million years would that happen. anyway if that really is democracy, why arnt large concentrations of the north like derry etc. brought back into the republic or why arnt parts of scotland independant already?. or where do you draw (the gerrymandered) line?

    It's already drawn. It's the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. It can stay that way. Not worth a drop of blood.


  • #338
    Seanchai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    snafuk35 wrote: »
    GAA is strong but really only in very few counties. Soccer is clearly more popular in Dublin than bogball.

    Sweet Jesus. The garrison game hasn't even got its own stadium here in Dublin, let alone the organisation and popular support which the GAA has in Dublin. Like all its marginalised pikey followers, it's merely a tenant. The only place where soccer is possibly stronger than football in Dublin is in marginalised underclass areas where the residents haven't got the space to play football because it's such a tight squeeze in between the junkies, drug dealers, dole office, offy, bookies, shootings and shoot-ups in the flats. You know, the sort of people who think anybody who is not as marginalised as they are is a snob worthy of being robbed, the sort of people who call Irish sports like football "bogball", and who follow British soccer as if they were their local teams. Complete saps, in other words.

    Give me "bogball" any day over the game of the British crown forces of occupation in Ireland, and its marginalised tracksuit-wearing Dublin knacker followers.


  • #339
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    I think the mistake that people are making is lumping in the British with the unionists they are a completly different breed.


  • #340
    EKClarke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭EKClarke


    The Scientician wrote: »
    If a sizeable minority of the population concentrated on a specific region of Scotland want to remain part of the UK and are willing to take up arms to preserve that union, then yes Scotland would suffer a similar partition. Partition was the least worst solution to the Irish question in the '20s.

    No it was just the easiest for the British.


  • #341
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    KeithAFC wrote: »
    No. By PIRA intimidation and Sinn Fein intimidation.

    How many innocent Protestants were jailed by collusion between the "police" and "security forces" bully-boys. Answer the question.


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  • #342
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    snafuk is your typical irish loyalist sympathiser. ironically, its people like him who dont actually want the north back, are the ones which make threads like this endless by continually commenting on them. obsessed isnt the word.

    not to mention the threat of loyalist violence is irrelevant. hypothetically speaking, if there was a referendum north and south and the north ended up being voted into a united ireland, then thats it. it would be the wish of the people. loyalists could blow up everyone in there sights. it wouldnt make any difference to the status of the country, infact it doesnt even come into the equation

    Great points.


  • #343
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Seanchai wrote: »
    Sweet Jesus. The garrison game hasn't even got its own stadium here in Dublin, let alone the organisation and popular support which the GAA has in Dublin. Like all its marginalised pikey followers, it's merely a tenant. The only place where soccer is possibly stronger than football in Dublin is in marginalised underclass areas where the residents haven't got the space to play football because it's such a tight squeeze in between the junkies, drug dealers, dole office, offy, bookies, shootings and shoot-ups in the flats. You know, the sort of people who think anybody who is not as marginalised as they are is a snob worthy of being robbed, the sort of people who call Irish sports like football "bogball", and who follow British soccer as if they were their local teams. Complete saps, in other words.

    Give me "bogball" any day over the game of the British crown forces of occupation in Ireland, and its marginalised tracksuit-wearing Dublin knacker followers.

    Wow, do you burn a union flag as an encore?


  • #344
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    EKClarke wrote: »
    No it was just the easiest for the British.

    No, it was easiest for the Irish.


  • #345
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Wow, do you burn a union flag as an encore?

    He has a point though, inferiority strikes deep into a certain Irish psyche. Ashamed of anything home grown. Sad way to be imo.


  • #346
    sensibleken
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    Seanchai wrote: »
    Sweet Jesus. The garrison game hasn't even got its own stadium here in Dublin, let alone the organisation and popular support which the GAA has in Dublin. Like all its marginalised pikey followers, it's merely a tenant. The only place where soccer is possibly stronger than football in Dublin is in marginalised underclass areas where the residents haven't got the space to play football because it's such a tight squeeze in between the junkies, drug dealers, dole office, offy, bookies, shootings and shoot-ups in the flats. You know, the sort of people who think anybody who is not as marginalised as they are is a snob worthy of being robbed, the sort of people who call Irish sports like football "bogball", and who follow British soccer as if they were their local teams. Complete saps, in other words.

    Give me "bogball" any day over the game of the British crown forces of occupation in Ireland, and its marginalised tracksuit-wearing Dublin knacker followers.

    well heres one for the snobbiest comment you ever heard thread. thats how youd describe large swathes of the working classes in dublin? nice.


  • #347
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    FFS lads sport doesn't have a nationality. Sport is just a human thing that humans do.


  • #348
    Leftist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Leftist


    Seanchai wrote: »
    Sweet Jesus. The garrison game hasn't even got its own stadium here in Dublin, let alone the organisation and popular support which the GAA has in Dublin. Like all its marginalised pikey followers, it's merely a tenant. The only place where soccer is possibly stronger than football in Dublin is in marginalised underclass areas where the residents haven't got the space to play football because it's such a tight squeeze in between the junkies, drug dealers, dole office, offy, bookies, shootings and shoot-ups in the flats. You know, the sort of people who think anybody who is not as marginalised as they are is a snob worthy of being robbed, the sort of people who call Irish sports like football "bogball", and who follow British soccer as if they were their local teams. Complete saps, in other words.

    Give me "bogball" any day over the game of the British crown forces of occupation in Ireland, and its marginalised tracksuit-wearing Dublin knacker followers.

    You need to leave your granny's farm. Seriously, asap.


  • #349
    The Scientician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭The Scientician


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    not in a million years would that happen. anyway if that really is democracy, why arnt large concentrations of the north like derry etc. brought back into the republic or why arnt parts of scotland independant already?. or where do you draw (the gerrymandered) line?

    Why isn't Cork independent?

    There was the boundaries commission in the '20s that was an attempt to address the issue you raise but for various reasons nothing came of it. Parts of Donegal would have gone to NI, and parts of Tyrone, Fermanagh, South Armagh, and Derry City would have gone South.


  • #350
    The Scientician
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭The Scientician


    EKClarke wrote: »
    No it was just the easiest for the British.

    Well we were all British at the time. :D


  • #351
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    He has a point though, inferiority strikes deep into a certain Irish psyche. Ashamed of anything home grown. Sad way to be imo.

    As does insecurity it would appear.

    If an argument for a sporting body is that it isn't a garrison game, then there is something seriously wrong.

    There is plenty of room for GAA and football to happily co exist without one having to hate the other. All this does is give the GAA a bad name as it has already done in Tallaght.


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  • #352
    Cork boy 55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55


    I think everyone can agree that no matter what happens
    Larne should not be allowed enter the Republic


  • #353
    Tiocfaidh Armani
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭Tiocfaidh Armani


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    As does insecurity it would appear.

    If an argument for a sporting body is that it isn't a garrison game, then there is something seriously wrong.

    There is plenty of room for GAA and football to happily co exist without one having to hate the other.

    I actually agree with you there. I'm away for a wash:D

    BTW, don't just say about the GAA, what about the utter ignorance of soccer people to the GAA lambasting it as 'bogball'. Just ignorance. And I say that as someone who enjoys both sports, because that's what they are - sports to be enjoyed.


  • #354
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    snafuk35 wrote: »
    It's already drawn. It's the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. It can stay that way. Not worth a drop of blood.

    ok you dont want it back. we get the picture. so why are you here again?

    in your opinion its not worth much. for many people it is. stick to reading your irish times pull-outs of the queens visit


  • #355
    al28283
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭al28283


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    ok you dont want it back. we get the picture. so why are you here again?

    in your opinion its not worth much. for many people it is. stick to reading your irish times pull-outs of the queens visit

    His opinion is as valid as yours


  • #356
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    al28283 wrote: »
    His opinion is as valid as yours

    where did i say it wasnt?


  • #357
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    As does insecurity it would appear.

    If an argument for a sporting body is that it isn't a garrison game, then there is something seriously wrong.

    There is plenty of room for GAA and football to happily co exist without one having to hate the other. All this does is give the GAA a bad name as it has already done in Tallaght.

    Tallaght and surrounding areas has one of the strongest holds of GAA in Dublin :confused:


  • #358
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    Tallaght and surrounding areas has one of the strongest holds of GAA in Dublin :confused:

    Thomas Davis didn't exactly give a good portrayal of themselves over the Tallaght Stadium affair.


  • #359
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Thomas Davis didn't exactly give a good portrayal of themselves over the Tallaght Stadium affair.

    still doesn't get away from the fact that the majority of the players (non pro) in shamrock rovers also hold a playing position in Tomas Davis though,not to mention St.Judes,St.Annes or Faughs,If anything Tallaght is more G.A.A than Soccer.


  • #360
    The Golden Miller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,785 ✭✭✭The Golden Miller


    football is the most participated (people registered to play) sport in ireland followed by gaelic football. but gaelic football pulls in the most spectators to its grounds i.e has a higher average attendance year round...... championship attendances in august and september pull its average way up.


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  • #361
    Tiocfaidh Armani
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭Tiocfaidh Armani


    The Golden Miller wrote: »
    football is the most participated (people registered to play) sport in ireland followed by gaelic football. but gaelic football pulls in the most spectators to its grounds i.e has a higher average attendance year round...... championship attendances in august and september pull its average way up.

    Something like 60% of all sporting spectators in Ireland are GAA games. That's some stat.


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