The Golden Miller wrote: » and i disagree. republicans do have the moral authority over loyalists in asking them to respect the wishes of the people. you see, when ireland was divided, the will of the people was denied.....a free independent country. now take scotland for instance. if they have their potential referendum in the future and they vote yes for independence, will it also be divided in two....... a part that wants to stay in the union, and the part that wants independence? dont think so. there is nothing democratic about the current irish divide
lugha wrote: » By republicans I mean physical force republicans who sought to bring about a united Ireland by violent means against the wishes of the majority of Irish people. And I fail to see how your claim that the will of the people was denied has any bearing one way or the other on their authority to lecture others on democracy? They didn’t practice it so they have no business preaching about it.
Freddie59 wrote: » By MI5/6, the RUC, and the Army?:rolleyes: How many innocent Protestants were jailed for something they didn't do, a la Guildford 4/Birmingham 6? British 'justice' at its best.
The Golden Miller wrote: » if they have their potential referendum in the future and they vote yes for independence, will it also be divided in two....... a part that wants to stay in the union, and the part that wants independence? dont think so. there is nothing democratic about the current irish divide
The Scientician wrote: » If a sizeable minority of the population concentrated on a specific region of Scotland want to remain part of the UK and are willing to take up arms to preserve that union, then yes Scotland would suffer a similar partition. Partition was the least worst solution to the Irish question in the '20s.
The Golden Miller wrote: » not in a million years would that happen. anyway if that really is democracy, why arnt large concentrations of the north like derry etc. brought back into the republic or why arnt parts of scotland independant already?. or where do you draw (the gerrymandered) line?
snafuk35 wrote: » GAA is strong but really only in very few counties. Soccer is clearly more popular in Dublin than bogball.
KeithAFC wrote: » No. By PIRA intimidation and Sinn Fein intimidation.
The Golden Miller wrote: » snafuk is your typical irish loyalist sympathiser. ironically, its people like him who dont actually want the north back, are the ones which make threads like this endless by continually commenting on them. obsessed isnt the word. not to mention the threat of loyalist violence is irrelevant. hypothetically speaking, if there was a referendum north and south and the north ended up being voted into a united ireland, then thats it. it would be the wish of the people. loyalists could blow up everyone in there sights. it wouldnt make any difference to the status of the country, infact it doesnt even come into the equation
Seanchai wrote: » Sweet Jesus. The garrison game hasn't even got its own stadium here in Dublin, let alone the organisation and popular support which the GAA has in Dublin. Like all its marginalised pikey followers, it's merely a tenant. The only place where soccer is possibly stronger than football in Dublin is in marginalised underclass areas where the residents haven't got the space to play football because it's such a tight squeeze in between the junkies, drug dealers, dole office, offy, bookies, shootings and shoot-ups in the flats. You know, the sort of people who think anybody who is not as marginalised as they are is a snob worthy of being robbed, the sort of people who call Irish sports like football "bogball", and who follow British soccer as if they were their local teams. Complete saps, in other words. Give me "bogball" any day over the game of the British crown forces of occupation in Ireland, and its marginalised tracksuit-wearing Dublin knacker followers.
EKClarke wrote: » No it was just the easiest for the British.
Fratton Fred wrote: » Wow, do you burn a union flag as an encore?
Happyman42 wrote: » He has a point though, inferiority strikes deep into a certain Irish psyche. Ashamed of anything home grown. Sad way to be imo.
Fratton Fred wrote: » As does insecurity it would appear. If an argument for a sporting body is that it isn't a garrison game, then there is something seriously wrong. There is plenty of room for GAA and football to happily co exist without one having to hate the other.
snafuk35 wrote: » It's already drawn. It's the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. It can stay that way. Not worth a drop of blood.
The Golden Miller wrote: » ok you dont want it back. we get the picture. so why are you here again? in your opinion its not worth much. for many people it is. stick to reading your irish times pull-outs of the queens visit
al28283 wrote: » His opinion is as valid as yours
Fratton Fred wrote: » As does insecurity it would appear. If an argument for a sporting body is that it isn't a garrison game, then there is something seriously wrong. There is plenty of room for GAA and football to happily co exist without one having to hate the other. All this does is give the GAA a bad name as it has already done in Tallaght.
pmcmahon wrote: » Tallaght and surrounding areas has one of the strongest holds of GAA in Dublin
Fratton Fred wrote: » Thomas Davis didn't exactly give a good portrayal of themselves over the Tallaght Stadium affair.
The Golden Miller wrote: » football is the most participated (people registered to play) sport in ireland followed by gaelic football. but gaelic football pulls in the most spectators to its grounds i.e has a higher average attendance year round...... championship attendances in august and september pull its average way up.
