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zerks wrote: »

Gus Poyet has come out in defence of Suarez and accuses Evra of "crying like a baby".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/17/gus-poyet-luis-suarez-racism

Just because Poyet was called names in Spain does that make it ok for Suarez to do the same in England.
I like Poyet but his comments were just plain stupid.

Blatter wrote: »

Apparently Poyet is a good friend of Suarez.

Irresponsibly stupid from Poyet anyway, what are victims of abuse supposed to do? Stay quiet?

MUSEIST wrote: »

but thats the point, poyet obviously does not believe what suarez said constituets abuse and thus he is 'crying like a bady' or making a big deal out of nothing from that perspective

Blatter wrote: »

Really?

flahavaj wrote: »

To refer to people en masee that complain about being racially abused as "crying like babies" is a highly crass and ill thought out comment to make. Would he tell one of his players to stop "crying" about it if he came to him saying someone had called him a n*gger?

Suarez 'only has himself to blame' for storm over alleged slur, claim Kick It Out

Luis Suarez has only himself to blame for the racism charge he now faces because he failed to apologise for, or personally explain, the Spanish slang which he claims has been the cause of the anger felt by Manchester United's Patrice Evra, the Kick it Out organisation said last night.

Liverpool are preparing a defence of the Uruguayan striker which will centre on the striker's declaration that he used a word which Evra's "team-mates at Manchester call him." That word might be negrito, which means "little black man" in Spanish, but is used in South America both as a term of endearment and as a gentle wind-up.

It is possible that an apology for any perceived slight could have enabled Liverpool to avoid a Football Association commission hearing which left their manager, Kenny Dalglish, reflecting yesterday on how his club have been on the receiving end of a series of perceived injustices from the football authorities. But none has been forthcoming, with the first public suggestion that Suarez used any slang coming when he addressed the Uruguyan press last week.

A spokesman for Kick It Out said last night: "It would appear that Patrice Evra had no other option than to lodge a complaint in the absence of an apology or any sort of explanation. The process has begun and we await the outcome."

The FA's decision, on Tuesday evening, to charge Suarez with abuse that "included a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Patrice Evra" divided opinion intensely yesterday, with the Uruguayan Football Association (AUF) preparing to throw its weight behind Liverpool's attempts to demonstrate that Suarez is not guilty.

Liverpool are preparing a defence which will centre on the allegedly benign nature of slang derived from the Spanish word for black, negro. The AUF is seeking help from the Uruguayan Embassy in London and its own Foreign Office as it seeks to bolster that aspect of the case for the impending hearing.

The sense of indignation felt by Uruguayans was also graphically revealed when the Brighton & Hove Albion manager, Gustavo Poyet, accused Evra of "crying like a baby" over alleged racist comments and another to join the Suarez cause last night was Liverpool's first black player, Howard Gayle, who insisted Liverpool would not support the player if he were guilty.

Poyet is concerned that the charges brought against his compatriot set a dangerous precedent. "I believe [with] Luis Suarez, it's simple," he said. "I played football for seven years in Spain and was called everything, because I was from South America , and I never went out crying like a baby, like Patrice Evra, saying that someone said something to me. I'm really sad about this charge because it's going to become too easy. I can make a complaint about any opposition manager, and if I take it as far as I can he's going to get charged. Why are we going to take one person's word over another one's? It's too risky."

Poyet, 44 , claimed there was insufficient evidence against Suarez, though the FA has been acutely aware of the linguistic complexities of the case. Its painstaking work on linguistic nuance has largely contributed to the investigation taking five weeks and careful reading of the more serious of two charges could see Suarez escape relatively lightly if he is found to have included a reference to the "colour" or Evra, rather than "ethnic origin" or "race." There is a significant difference between the Spanish word for black – negro, of which negrito is a derivation – and the same word in its widely understood racial context. The substantial number of United players interviewed by the FA may be key to the commission hearing.

Dalglish said Liverpool had felt they were on the receiving end of a lot. "Everybody at every football club thinks that someone can do better or be more helpful but you just get on with it," he said. "Most of the time you don't want to say anything but if you don't say anything they'll walk all over you. They might still walk all over us anyway but you've got to justify yourself, you've got to have an opinion and you've got to make a statement of a belief you've got. At the end of the day we know we've got to play the game and we will play it but it doesn't mean we haven't got an opinion about when we're playing it and it also doesn't mean to say we've got an excuse. "

The manager, who said he wanted the commission to do its work "quickly but correctly," insisted that the charge hanging over Suarez would not affect his form "for any other reason than, like everyone else, sometimes you don't play as well as you are capable of playing."

flahavaj wrote: »

The Kick it Out campaign make a point in paragraph 1 that I have been repetedly making for weeks. This could all have been sorted out so easily with a simple explanation and apology.

It is also gratifying to see it said that Evra "had no choice" but to complain. I presume those who called him a liar now admit they were wrong (if indeed he was referred to as "negrito", as seems to be commonly accapted by many reliable spources)?

I presume no one could in any way question his right to be angered about what was said to him?

And I presume that even if Suarez isn't punished nobody will be retarded enough to take the stance that Suarez not being found guolty means Evra must have been lying ( as was said over and over here with monotonous regularity)?

monkey9 wrote: »

So many many issues with this case,

First of all, and i hope everyone would agree, that given Luis Suarez's record in charity work, it's clear he's not a racist!! He just isn't!

Now people are making the point that Suarez knew what he was doing when he was making the 'Negerito' remark!. Those people have claimed that Evra speaks Spanish!! Yet even as Evra was booked for dissent, not once did he declare to the ref that he was being racially abused! Why the f*ck wouldn't he?? He was being booked, ffs!

This bloke was wound up all match. He dived in front of the Kop, kissed the badge in front of Liverpool fans and was booked for dissent.

Was there not a point as he was being shown the yellow, that he would tell the ref he was being racially abused?? Instead, he left it for French TV!! That's how 'strongly' he felt.

I'd love to know how long after the match he first claimed to be racially abused to French tv.

monkey9 wrote: »

So many many issues with this case,

First of all, and i hope everyone would agree, that given Luis Suarez's record in charity work, it's clear he's not a racist!! He just isn't!

Now people are making the point that Suarez knew what he was doing when he was making the 'Negerito' remark!. Those people have claimed that Evra speaks Spanish!! Yet even as Evra was booked for dissent, not once did he declare to the ref that he was being racially abused! Why the f*ck wouldn't he?? He was being booked, ffs!

This bloke was wound up all match. He dived in front of the Kop, kissed the badge in front of Liverpool fans and was booked for dissent.

Was there not a point as he was being shown the yellow, that he would tell the ref he was being racially abused?? Instead, he left it for French TV!! That's how 'strongly' he felt.

I'd love to know how long after the match he first claimed to be racially abused to French tv.

K-9 wrote: »

Maybe you can expand because that doesn't make much sense.



As I pointed out already Evra was pretty angry afterwards and you don't know if Suraez did offer an apology afterwards. You're assuming he didn't.

After that, the clubs were warned not to comment, hence the Suarez interview being ill advised.

I kept an open mind on it and still am.