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Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

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  • #1622
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    amiable wrote: »
    In other words i have a point but you are unwilling to admit it.

    Very big of you Flah

    Yawn. Old debate is old.

    Niallo has an able successor as thread spastic I see.


  • #1623
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    flahavaj wrote: »
    Yawn. Old debate is old.
    Relevant point was made. Just because you don't like it you dismiss. Very convenient.


  • #1624
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    amiable wrote: »
    Speaks volumes

    No it shows that the cameras were pointed at Terry during the moment it happened. Well until the view was obscured anyway.

    Anyway, a member of the public reported the Finnan incident with Evra and that has been used here as a stick to beat Evra.


  • #1625
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    parker kent wrote: »
    No it shows that the cameras were pointed at Terry during the moment it happened.

    Anyway, a member of the public reported the Finnan incident with Evra and that has been used here as a stick to beat Evra.
    I've never once on this thread mentioned Finnan.

    Why didn't Man United report it to the police?


  • #1626
    J. Marston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,346 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    amiable wrote: »
    TheRealEboueEmmanuel Eboue

    Is that the real Eboue? I'll assume not since a legend like himself would have more than 11,000 followers.


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  • #1627
    Crazy Horse 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭Crazy Horse 6


    Be an interesting path if the FA go down the route of banning everyone that says anything nasty to anyone else on the pitch in any circumstances.


  • #1628
    Crazy Horse 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭Crazy Horse 6


    flahavaj wrote: »
    Yawn. Old debate is old.

    Niallo has an able successor as thread spastic I see.

    You excell at insulting your fellow posters. How so pal?


  • #1629
    Leiva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    Surely the FA are not proceeding with this if it's just one players word against another ?

    That would be madness on more fronts than I care to mention .


  • #1630
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    mixednuts wrote: »
    Surely the FA are not proceeding with this if it's just one players word against another ?

    That would be madness on more fronts than I care to mention .

    If Suarez has indeed told the FA he said negrito as has been widely discussed then they have it from the horse's mouth so to speak and all that remains is to make a decision on whether he's as innocent as he claims. Its gone beyond whether Evra was telling the truth or even whether he had a right to be angry.


  • #1631
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    mixednuts wrote: »
    Surely the FA are not proceeding with this if it's just one players word against another ?

    That would be madness on more fronts than I care to mention .
    Some of the papers have said that some United players have given evidence.

    But i seem to rememberthe papers saying that 3 QPR players were giving evidence against Terry only for QPR to refute it.


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  • #1632
    Crazy Horse 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭Crazy Horse 6


    mixednuts wrote: »
    Surely the FA are not proceeding with this if it's just one players word against another ?

    That would be madness on more fronts than I care to mention .

    I firmly believe they are. Complete madness.


  • #1633
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »
    I firmly believe they are. Complete madness.
    To be fair, nobody actually knows what evidence the FA are working on


  • #1634
    Leiva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    flahavaj wrote: »
    If Suarez has indeed told the FA he said negrito as has been widely discussed then they have it from the horse's mouth so to speak and all that remains is to make a decision on whether he's as innocent as he claims. Its gone beyond whether Evra was telling the truth or even whether he had a right to be angry.

    I understand that but then Suarez must have been presented with video evidence of some incident and asked to explain ,or he honestly and straightforwardly said I called him Negrito which in my country is not offensive.

    That's totally unacceptable by Suarez as he hasn't familarised himself with what's acceptable language in the UK but it's a million miles from putting him in the same bracket as a cone hooded member of the KKK .

    Cause at the end of the day sadly thats what the majority will seem him as-Numptys !

    More stupidity than racism if you ask me but we will just have to wait and see .

    But Bellend hasn't helped his case one bit .


  • #1635
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    mixednuts wrote: »
    I understand that but then Suarez must have been presented with video evidence of some incident and asked to explain ,or he honestly and straightforwardly said I called him Negrito which in my country is not offensive.


    That's totally unacceptable by Suarez as he hasn't familarised himself with what's acceptable language in the UK but it's a million miles from putting him in the same bracket as a cone hooded member of the KKK .

    Or we must consider the possibility that he knew exactly what he was saying and the fact its used as a term of endearment in Uruguay is a convenient line to use. Not saying thats what happened but it is possible.


  • #1636
    Blatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    Another interesting question is how culturally accepted the word negrito is in Holland as Suarez spent the guts of 5 years living over there. I'm guessing it wouldn't be taken well by black people(from white people anyway) over there. If that is the case, then Suarez really should have known better. If he said it of course.


  • #1637
    Leiva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    flahavaj wrote: »
    Or we must consider the possibility that he knew exactly what he was saying and the fact its used as a term of endearment in Uruguay is a convenient line to use. Not saying thats what happened but it is possible.

    Out of his own free will did he come out and say yes I called him Negrito ?

    If so he is either ;
    Extremely honest - shows character after realising his mistake/translation.
    Extremely stupid. - coulda kept his mouth shut .
    Extremly twisted. - kinda doesn't give a **** and tells FA similar .

    I'm swaying towards the top answer but I am biased .


  • #1638
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    amiable wrote: »
    I've never once on this thread mentioned Finnan.

    Why didn't Man United report it to the police?

    When did I say you had mentioned Finnan? I said "that has been used here as a stick to beat Evra". Nowhere in that sentence does it mention you. However, that incident has been mentioned on this thread. By OTHER people than you.

    I am not Man United. I don't know whether it was reported or why they didn't if it was not reported. That doesn't really have anything to do with my point though. My point was that the Terry incident was only reported because it happened on live TV. Much like the previous Finnan/Evra incident.


  • #1639
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    Blatter wrote: »
    Another interesting question is how culturally accepted the word negrito is in Holland as Suarez spent the guts of 5 years living over there. I'm guessing it wouldn't be taken well by black people(from white people anyway) over there. If that is the case, then Suarez really should have known better, if he said it of course.

    Unless of course its the first time he used the term on the field of play since he left the shores of Uruguay all those years ago? Which begs the question why he chose that particular game and that particular opponent upon whom to try out a bit of the vernacular from the old country?

    Many questions to be answered indeed.


  • #1640
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    mixednuts wrote: »
    Out of his own free will did he come out and say yes I called him Negrito ?

    If so he is either ;
    Extremely honest - shows character after realising his mistake/translation.
    Extremely stupid. - coulda kept his mouth shut .
    Extremly twisted. - kinda doesn't give a **** and tells FA similar .

    I'm swaying towards the top answer but I am biased .

    Who knows? All I'm saying is the possibility exists that he knew exactly what he was saying and pointing out you failed to even consider that in your post.


  • #1641
    Blatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    flahavaj wrote: »
    Unless of course its the first time he used the term on the field of play since he left the shores of Uruguay all those years ago? Which begs the question why he chose that particular game and that particular opponent upon whom to try out a bit of the vernacular from the old country?

    Many questions to be answered indeed.

    Yes, that is the other question.

    I can only imagine that he's said that he's used it on a football field before, because if it was his first time it would look very bad.

    Edit: Do the FA always release a detailed report of an investigation to the public when a verdict is reached, or do they release certain reports at their own discretion?


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  • #1642
    Leiva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    Blatter wrote: »
    Another interesting question is how culturally accepted the word negrito is in Holland as Suarez spent the guts of 5 years living over there. I'm guessing it wouldn't be taken well by black people(from white people anyway) over there. If that is the case, then Suarez really should have known better. If he said it of course.

    This crossed my mind aswell but where are the previous incidents ? Surely it would have happened before .
    Plenty of black players in Holland .

    Character references ? ..The Ajax supporters and management gave him a send off like I never seen before .
    He was so well liked .Surely if he was a racist bigot it would have surfaced in his 5yrs there ...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGffhRVhC-Q



    Really is a weird case this .


  • #1643
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    Blatter wrote: »
    Yes, that is the other question.

    I can only imagine that he's said that he's used it on a football field before, because if it was his first time it would look very bad.

    Again the first question I'd ask there was had he used it on a black player?

    It would surprise me if he had used it on a black player, with no inside knowledge of Uruguayan slang and the matter of racist connotations hadn't arisen before.


  • #1644
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    parker kent wrote: »
    When did I say you had mentioned Finnan? I said "that has been used here as a stick to beat Evra". Nowhere in that sentence does it mention you. However, that incident has been mentioned on this thread. By OTHER people than you.

    I am not Man United. I don't know whether it was reported or why they didn't if it was not reported. That doesn't really have anything to do with my point though. My point was that the Terry incident was only reported because it happened on live TV. Much like the previous Finnan/Evra incident.
    Let me play your little game here.

    Did i say you are Man United?


  • #1645
    Blatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    mixednuts wrote: »
    This crossed my mind aswell but where are the previous incidents ? Surely it would have happened before .
    Plenty of black players in Holland .

    Character references ? ..The Ajax supporters and management gave him a send off like I never seen before .
    He was so well liked .Surely if he was a racist bigot it would have surfaced in his 5yrs there ...



    Really is a weird case this .


    There can be a difference in being an 'absolute' racist and using a racist slur.

    Both are wholly unacceptable though.


  • #1646
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    mixednuts wrote: »
    This crossed my mind aswell but where are the previous incidents ? Surely it would have happened before .
    Plenty of black players in Holland .

    Character references ? ..The Ajax supporters and management gave him a send off like I never seen before .
    He was so well liked .Surely if he was a racist bigot it would have surfaced in his 5yrs there ...

    Really is a weird case this .

    He is under such scrutiny because he is alleged to have used a racist slur. The fact that he hasn't used one before isn't really a very strong defence.

    I doubt anyone genuinely believes him to be a fully signed up KKK member of anything.


  • #1647
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    amiable wrote: »
    Let me play your little game here.

    Did i say you are Man United?

    Don't get childish. You posted a reply clearly indicating that I was saying that you had mentioned Finnan. I did also follow up that line with further clarification intead of the childish game of oneupmanship you are now doing.

    This thread is still ridiculous.


  • #1648
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    MirrorDarrenDarren Lewis



    Police believe they have enough evidence to charge John Terry. See the Daily Mirror's front page exclusive.


  • #1649
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    If they "believe" they have enough evidence then why not just charge him? Gotta love the tabloids.


  • #1650
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    parker kent wrote: »
    Don't get childish. You posted a reply clearly indicating that I was saying that you had mentioned Finnan. I did also follow up that line with further clarification intead of the childish game of oneupmanship you are now doing.

    This thread is still ridiculous.
    It's not being childish. you reproached me for something and carried on to do the same thing yourself.

    you impied i said you were Man United.
    I didn't


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  • #1651
    Leiva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    Someone suggests last night that it could be the FA making noise about this to distract away from captain England .

    Now I dont believe that for a sec as I know what the England FA are ,and aren't, but destroying one players cred to preserve another's is not something I have them down as .
    But what's the delay in the Terry case ...surely he can't walk with the video evidence etc ??

    Or am I naive to be waiting to hear his charge any day now ?


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