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Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.
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If it's true that the word that Suarez was referring to in the statement was ''negrito'' then it sounds like Suarez is using casual and unthinking racist language. Sure that's not as bad as someone who actively tries to justify racism intellectually, but it's still pretty bad.
With regard to the question of what evidence the FA have, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Suarez's statement to them is enough for them to go on. If the suggestion from the press, that Suarez has himself admitted to using ''negrito'', is true and that matches up with Evra's allegation, then that would seem to be all the evidence they need.
Whether that language, inappropriate and offensive as it almost certainly is, would be enough for a conviction of racist abuse I don't know. I suppose the FA's rules are written down somewhere. Anybody got a link?
On the two separate charges or one combined charge thing - yeah reading that again it looks like it is one charge of abuse containing racist abuse. It was just all the and/ors that confused me. It's been a long day.
Dont get me wrong, im with you in overall sentiment but im not sure i am with you on the interpretation. It isnt uncommon for 'negrito'/'negrita', to be used en efectos, as nicknames for friends, family or simply for people you actually like.
What is 'good' for us in this part of the world is not necessarily the same in other parts of the world. A term can be regarded as pejorative in some social groups but not in others. It can even be frowned upon in sections of the same communities but not in other sections, it isnt that *tries to think of something to use other than black or white* simple. If culture has played any part in this i wouldnt be surprised, a degree of naivety perhaps, but contextually, i have a hard time thinking there was background to this of 'absolute' racism.
Now, i dont think im going to walk down a highstreet anytime soon pointing at 'negritos' but in another part of the world ........
Now, its not often topics come up in this forum that lead me to do my own bit of reading up on the subject but this was one. I didnt have a clue surrounding what these colloquialisms mean/refer to in Spanish.
I think some folk would be better off thinking, reading, and then talking about the topic. I have read interesting discussions (some completely unrelated to football) in my search and at the very least i feel a little better equipped to talk about it rationally, i dont think there is alot of that going on in this thread regarding the Suarez/Evra situation.
Ive read people saying that the term can be offensive, conversely ive read comments from people who regard themselves as black (and routinely called negrito in Latin America) and even call their own spouses/children those terms in affectionate situations. They also converse with their close 'white' friends and embrace the use of it as a non offensive term.
So in summation, i wouldnt jump in and say what Suarez said was racist, there are occasions where its not that simple and involves more complex issues. Its not quite as obvious for me as what John Terry can be seen to be saying in that video.0 -
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Dont get me wrong, im with you in overall sentiment but im not sure i am with you on the interpretation. It isnt uncommon for 'negrito'/'negrita', to be used en efectos, as nicknames for friends, family or simply for people you actually like.
What is 'good' for us in this part of the world is not necessarily the same in other parts of the world. A term can be regarded as pejorative in some social groups but not in others. It can even be frowned upon in sections of the same communities but not in other sections, it isnt that *tries to think of something to use other than black or white* simple. If culture has played any part in this i wouldnt be surprised, a degree of naivety perhaps, but contextually, i have a hard time thinking there was background to this of 'absolute' racism.
Now, i dont think im going to walk down a highstreet anytime soon pointing at 'negritos' but in another part of the world ........
Now, its not often topics come up in this forum that lead me to do my own bit of reading up on the subject but this was one. I didnt have a clue surrounding what these colloquialisms mean/refer to in Spanish.
I think some folk would be better off thinking, reading, and then talking about the topic. I have read interesting discussions (some completely unrelated to football) in my search and at the very least i feel a little better equipped to talk about it rationally, i dont think there is alot of that going on in this thread regarding the Suarez/Evra situation.
Ive read people saying that the term can be offensive, conversely ive read comments from people who regard themselves as black (and routinely called negrito in Latin America) and even call their own spouses/children those terms in affectionate situations. They also converse with their close 'white' friends and embrace the use of it as a non offensive term.
So in summation, i wouldnt jump in and say what Suarez said was racist, there are occasions where its not that simple and involves more complex issues. Its not quite as obvious for me as what John Terry can be seen to be saying in that video.
I presume if this is the case that his using the term towards Evra isn't in isolation and he uses it for Liverpools black players and other black people he meets in the UK as well (Its not like he knows Evra). Would be strange if his use of it was the first time since moving to England.0 -
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the genius of this is we still know very little.
it's not looking great for Suarez on the face of it, as the FA don't normally charge unless there definitely is a case to answer for somewhat.
but it must also be considered that even though they've a reputation for being soft touches at times with issues, there is no way they're going to soft touches on the racism issue.
as seen with the Emre example, even though he was charged, he was eventually found not guilty. i suspect the FA will feel that if there is anything to answer for at all, they'll bring him in in order to be seen to be taking it seriously; which is the right thing to do.
i may be wrong obviously, but my money is still on it being a really unfortunate, messy misunderstanding when all is said and done; with Evra within his rights to being offended in the heat of the moment upon hearing a word remarkably similar to "negro" or "nígger".
i am slightly biased though, as most of us are one way or another, so we'll just have to wait and see
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Dont get me wrong, im with you in overall sentiment but im not sure i am with you on the interpretation. It isnt uncommon for 'negrito'/'negrita', to be used en efectos, as nicknames for friends, family or simply for people you actually like.
What is 'good' for us in this part of the world is not necessarily the same in other parts of the world. A term can be regarded as pejorative in some social groups but not in others. It can even be frowned upon in sections of the same communities but not in other sections, it isnt that *tries to think of something to use other than black or white* simple. If culture has played any part in this i wouldnt be surprised, a degree of naivety perhaps, but contextually, i have a hard time thinking there was background to this of 'absolute' racism.
Now, i dont think im going to walk down a highstreet anytime soon pointing at 'negritos' but in another part of the world ........
Now, its not often topics come up in this forum that lead me to do my own bit of reading up on the subject but this was one. I didnt have a clue surrounding what these colloquialisms mean/refer to in Spanish.
I think some folk would be better off thinking, reading, and then talking about the topic. I have read interesting discussions (some completely unrelated to football) in my search and at the very least i feel a little better equipped to talk about it rationally, i dont think there is alot of that going on in this thread regarding the Suarez/Evra situation.
Ive read people saying that the term can be offensive, conversely ive read comments from people who regard themselves as black (and routinely called negrito in Latin America) and even call their own spouses/children those terms in affectionate situations. They also converse with their close 'white' friends and embrace the use of it as a non offensive term.
So in summation, i wouldnt jump in and say what Suarez said was racist, there are occasions where its not that simple and involves more complex issues. Its not quite as obvious for me as what John Terry can be seen to be saying in that video.
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Ah now stop that being reasonable rubbish. Its not welcome here:mad:. Just decide which one you want hanged and post any sort of crap to justify it:rolleyes:.Dont get me wrong, im with you in overall sentiment but im not sure i am with you on the interpretation. It isnt uncommon for 'negrito'/'negrita', to be used en efectos, as nicknames for friends, family or simply for people you actually like.
What is 'good' for us in this part of the world is not necessarily the same in other parts of the world. A term can be regarded as pejorative in some social groups but not in others. It can even be frowned upon in sections of the same communities but not in other sections, it isnt that *tries to think of something to use other than black or white* simple. If culture has played any part in this i wouldnt be surprised, a degree of naivety perhaps, but contextually, i have a hard time thinking there was background to this of 'absolute' racism.
Now, i dont think im going to walk down a highstreet anytime soon pointing at 'negritos' but in another part of the world ........
Now, its not often topics come up in this forum that lead me to do my own bit of reading up on the subject but this was one. I didnt have a clue surrounding what these colloquialisms mean/refer to in Spanish.
I think some folk would be better off thinking, reading, and then talking about the topic. I have read interesting discussions (some completely unrelated to football) in my search and at the very least i feel a little better equipped to talk about it rationally, i dont think there is alot of that going on in this thread regarding the Suarez/Evra situation.
Ive read people saying that the term can be offensive, conversely ive read comments from people who regard themselves as black (and routinely called negrito in Latin America) and even call their own spouses/children those terms in affectionate situations. They also converse with their close 'white' friends and embrace the use of it as a non offensive term.
So in summation, i wouldnt jump in and say what Suarez said was racist, there are occasions where its not that simple and involves more complex issues. Its not quite as obvious for me as what John Terry can be seen to be saying in that video.
This whole episode has taken a good forum about 1000 miles into a well of s***e:(0 -
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I have read that The FA seem to know the pair were arguing when Suarez allegedly used the term Negrito/(also suggestions he actually used Negro) and that is massively going against Suarez.
Also, the fact Suarez (according to Evra, not sure if Suarez admitted this) repeatedly used the term, despite Evra being in distress, is also going against Suarez's apparent claims of a cultural misunderstanding.
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Suarez was found not guilty and not so solid evidence was all that was needed to bring a charge, to show they are dealing with racism accusations very seriously.
UEFA pretty much did that with Busquets/Marcello a few months ago. Charged him even though they knew he was going to be found not guilty as the only solid evidence was lip reading, and lip reading was never going to be used to find someone guilty.
This case would seem to be different though, as Suarez has seemingly admitted what was said but is denying a racist context, so it looks like he's on much thinner ground.
Wait and see I guess.
Where are you getting your info ? Red cafe or one of thiose garbage sites?;)
And find him not guilty but then to charge him ?
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Well at least i come out and say im biased, why do you keep saying negro, what proof is there he said this, why do you feel the need to repeat it, plus using the word distressed with evra, he didnt look like the man who was racially abused 10 times to me.
Yes Niallo I know you're biased. Where did I get the word Negro from? It's been suggested that it's the word in question in some newspaper articles. I will quote then when I get home. The word negrito has been suggested by most of the media. That is why I used both.
Why do I keep repeating it? Because I'm honestly trying to keep things crystal clear for you so you don't get lost or confused, again.Where are you getting your info ? Red cafe or one of thiose garbage sites?;)
Newspaper articles, I will quote them when I get home. I haven't gone near redcafe or the likes yet.And find him not guilty but then to charge him ?
I never said that.
I said I felt UEFA charged Busquets, (even though they knew the lack of evidence available would almost certainly lead to a not guilty verdict) to show they take racist allegations very seriously.
And it's possible the FA are going down a similar line. The cases are obviously different so it's impossible to tell, but I was just putting it out there as a possibility.0 -
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How is Evra a hot head? Does he have a history of going 'mental' during games or something?Yes after the match he went running to the tv stations, but during the game he should have said it to the ref, take the red goggles off now for a minute and do you not think its odd that Evra being the hot head he is would not have gone ****en mental at Suarez. 0
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