United Ireland

gurramok · 15-11-2011 10:24PM

snafuk35 wrote: »

I was in Dublin in 2006 when the Orangemen came down to march through O'Connell Street. I came to have look because I wanted to welcome them down south.

Didn't know you were part of a Loyalist marching band

snafuk35 wrote: »

If there was a United Ireland and the loyalists kicked off a war there is a sizable minority who would want to go up north to murder Protestants.

However that said the majority are like myself who think the whole thing is nuts.

Why bring religion into this? You a Church Minister?! About time religion was thrown out of politics.

K-9 · 15-11-2011 10:28PM

Tis the economy, stupid.

All the talk about Catholic percentages is all well and good, Belfast could have a Catholic majority pretty soon but that doesn't mean it will transfer to a vote for a United Ireland.

Personally I'd say 40-50 years, things going well.

IcedOut · 15-11-2011 10:28PM

about tree- fiddy

losthorizon · 15-11-2011 10:30PM

The Poll should have been Do you want a united Ireland? I would have voted no.

Chuck Stone · 15-11-2011 10:39PM

K-9 wrote: »

Tis the economy, stupid.

All the talk about Catholic percentages is all well and good, Belfast could have a Catholic majority pretty soon but that doesn't mean it will transfer to a vote for a United Ireland.

Personally I'd say 40-50 years, things going well.

I'd tend to agree with you. People don't have it too bad in the North at the moment.

There would need to be a great economic resurgence here in the South and increasing secularism in the North coupled with the English getting pissed off with subsidizing the Northern economy.

Even if there was a UI (of sorts) there would probably be a retention of the PSNI as a regional police force of some sort.

Ultimately nobody knows I guess.

Squidgy Black · 15-11-2011 11:03PM

Never. It's been what, 89 years since we signed them away, and there's never been the slightest suggestion that we'd be getting them back.

Besides, if you don't want to be a British citizen up the north and you genuinely have that much of a problem about it, move. Otherwise it's just gonna open up a new load of problems between loyal unionists who oppose it and trying to establish a new police force and government and laws.

gurramok · 15-11-2011 11:25PM

stetyrrell wrote: »

Never. It's been what, 89 years since we signed them away, and there's never been the slightest suggestion that we'd be getting them back.

Besides, if you don't want to be a British citizen up the north and you genuinely have that much of a problem about it, move. Otherwise it's just gonna open up a new load of problems between loyal unionists who oppose it and trying to establish a new police force and government and laws.

Is that you the modern Ulsterman Radovan Karadzic?

the_syco · 16-11-2011 12:22AM

DeBrugha wrote: »

You rarely ever see a union jack being flown in England.

You see the english flag in England, and the UK flag union jack in not-england places, and next to other international flags. I wonder will they take out the blue should Scotland separate from the union?

snafuk35 wrote: »

Plenty of Brits would support the loyalists if they felt that a United Ireland turned them into second class citizens.

I would like to know how many english support the unionists as it is? Never mind the loyalists, how many care about the unionists? Google brings me no info on this matter, so I would like to know.

K-9 · 16-11-2011 12:29AM

the_syco wrote: »

I would like to know how many english support the unionists as it is? Never mind the loyalists, how many care about the unionists? Google brings me no info on this matter, so I would like to know.

There have been surveys and the majority tend to basically not give a feck!

The Golden Miller · 16-11-2011 12:42AM

the_syco wrote: »

You see the english flag in England, and the UK flag union jack in not-england places, and next to other international flags. I wonder will they take out the blue should Scotland separate from the union?

I would like to know how many english support the unionists as it is? Never mind the loyalists, how many care about the unionists? Google brings me no info on this matter, so I would like to know.

well from the last poll i seen, it showed that well over 50% of the english people who were asked, said they thought there should be a united ireland. most of the others were indifferent. i cant remember what the source was, or how reliable it was.

there seems to be a lot of loyalist sympathisers down south these days, or simply people who dont give a **** about the 6 counties anymore. i wonder if they lived in the north would they be of the same "move on" attitude? or if it was their county oppressed? i dont think so. its quite disillusioning how quickly people forget down south. in my opinion, the media has a lot answer for down here

K-9 · 16-11-2011 12:51AM

The majority of people in the North have agreed to disagree or well, just try and compromise and get on with things. Sure some would call SF Unionist sympathisers for actually agreeing to share power, same with the DUP.

In the 70/80's FF used to be have these type of opinions. Eventually the Hume/FG line got universally accepted and FF built on it.

So it could be argued the North just took a hell of a lot of time and hundreds of needless deaths to come around to the same way of thinking.

I prefer that way of thinking than calling people West Brits, Unionist sympathisers or sell outs to the pope!

Cú Giobach · 16-11-2011 07:34AM

the_syco wrote: »

I would like to know how many english support the unionists as it is? Never mind the loyalists, how many care about the unionists? Google brings me no info on this matter, so I would like to know.

The people of Britain are very democratic in their nature and I do believe the vast majority of them would support whatever the majority in NI want.

Freddie59 · 16-11-2011 07:55AM

stewie01 wrote: »

Its pretty much inevitable that in the near future Ireland will be restored back to a united island. My question is when?

predictions welcome

It will happen when the Catholics become the majority. Referendum held - case closed. Then there will be a civil war.

Freddie59 · 16-11-2011 07:58AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

This has been said for centuries though and it has never happened. The Ulster Scots/Protestants:rolleyes: are not going to leave Ulster.

*Sigh*. Doesn't that say it all really. And exposes the REAL Protestant attitude of Keith and his scumbag "mates"?

Jonniealan · 16-11-2011 08:36AM

I think alot of catholics in the North if they were being honest would not vote for a united Ireland. its only really the shinners and some other looney tune parties running that agenda.

Plus would we not get a referendum down here to deside if we wanted it back ?

getz · 16-11-2011 08:39AM

Freddie59 wrote: »

*Sigh*. Doesn't that say it all really. And exposes the REAL Protestant attitude of Keith and his scumbag "mates"?

when you say protestants,do you meen anyone who is not a catholic ? or do you meen anyone who is not a republican ,i am english and a catholic but if i was northern irish ,i would not join any irish culture club like the GAA that names its grounds and its competitions after IRA bombers and murderers,and neither would i join any orange/unionist terror group that did the same. there has to be big changes in attitudes in the north and south before anyone can even believe in any type of united ireland,

the_syco · 16-11-2011 09:24AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

The Ulster Scots/Protestants are not going to leave Ulster.

I wonder what the Ulster Scots think of the Scots trying to separate from England?

DeBrugha · 16-11-2011 09:27AM

I was in Dublin in 2006 when the Orangemen came down to march through O'Connell Street. I came to have look because I wanted to welcome them down south. But there were thousands out who wanted to kill them. Only for the Gardaí being there they would have been lynched.

They came down to Dublin on purpose to provoke people in the Republic knowing it would cause tension!

You an Irish man would welcome the Orange Order they are the most anti-Irish or Catholic organisation they hate everything Irish, they burn the tri colour before and after their parades. They don't give two sh-its about you.

Quiet sad if you welcome people like that, its like a black man welcomining a KKK parade.

KeithAFC · 16-11-2011 10:31AM

Freddie59 wrote: »

*Sigh*. Doesn't that say it all really. And exposes the REAL Protestant attitude of Keith and his scumbag "mates"?

I frankly don't care if it exposes the attitude that loyal sons of Ulster don't want to be ruled by Dublin and have the tri colour forced upon us.

Madam · 16-11-2011 10:38AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

I frankly don't care if it exposes the attitude that loyal sons of Ulster don't want to be ruled by Dublin and have the tri colour forced upon us.

What about the loyal daughters of Ulster? Of course you do know Ulster has another three counties who are not so 'loyal';)

DeBrugha · 16-11-2011 10:39AM

What about the loyal daughters of Ulster? Of course you do know Ulster has another three counties who are not so 'loyal'

There are, to Ireland

Celly Smunt · 16-11-2011 10:40AM

Madam wrote: »

What about the loyal daughters of Ulster? Of course you do know Ulster has another three counties who are not so 'loyal';)

sounds dirty :cool:

Madam · 16-11-2011 10:41AM

DeBrugha wrote: »

There are, to Ireland

DeBrugha · 16-11-2011 10:51AM

All I can say is if you want to go to a city to speak some Irish Derry is the best option.

getz · 16-11-2011 11:05AM

DeBrugha wrote: »

All I can say is if you want to go to a city to speak some Irish Derry is the best option.

yes but be careful republicans keep planting pipe bombs and shooting other irishmen in the legs in derry

cosmicfart · 16-11-2011 11:18AM

Ireland will united by the year 2050. Christianity as a practicing religion will be dead by this time, so the Catholics/Protestant divides will no longer exist. the politics of North and South will have been united long before this as it will be in our common interest and bring about the Norths entrance into the U.S.E. England will have left the North devoid of government funding due to its 20 year recession been isolated country from the rest of the U.S.E. The whole IRA/Unionism will be nothing more than a commemoration of the past.

al28283 · 16-11-2011 11:32AM

cosmicfart wrote: »

Ireland will united by the year 2050. Christianity as a practicing religion will be dead by this time, so the Catholics/Protestant divides will no longer exist. the politics of North and South will have been united long before this as it will be in our common interest and bring about the Norths entrance into the U.S.E. England will have left the North devoid of government funding due to its 20 year recession been isolated country from the rest of the U.S.E. The whole IRA/Unionism will be nothing more than a commemoration of the past.

Also, we'll all have jetpacks and only work 5 hours a week.

cosmicfart · 16-11-2011 11:36AM

al28283 wrote: »

Also, we'll all have jetpacks and only work 5 hours a week.

I hope they are supersonic jetpacks?

Fratton Fred · 16-11-2011 11:49AM

Cú Giobach wrote: »

The people of Britain are very democratic in their nature and I do believe the vast majority of them would support whatever the majority in NI want.

This.

When the IRA were busy bombing English shopping centres the support for the Loyalist cause would have been fairly high, the enemy of my enemy and all that.

Now that has all stopped most people couldn't care less and would go with whatever the majority wanted.

A revised campaign in England by the C/R IRA would turn that support back to the unionist cause.

al28283 · 16-11-2011 11:50AM

cosmicfart wrote: »

I hope they are supersonic jetpacks?

Don't be ridiculous

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