Now It's Personal - Ian O'Doherty

Benny_Cake · 15-11-2011 07:40PM #1

On RTE 1 ar 10:15 tonight.So Ian O'Doherty (the Irish Richard Littlejohn) has spent a week living with Muslims.I'd doubt if his mind has been broadened as it would mean that he'd have to find something else to write about,but will anyone be watching this?

Dudess · 15-11-2011 07:42PM

Benny_Cake wrote: »

On RTE 1 ar 10:15 tonight.So Ian O'Doherty (the Irish Richard Littlejohn) has spent a week living with Muslims.I'd doubt if his mind has been broadened as it would mean that he'd have to find something else to write about,but will anyone be watching this?

Yeah think I will - looks interesting.

Cherry Blossom Girl · 15-11-2011 11:00PM

Jesus, bit of an ignorant w@nker isn't he?

Teferi · 15-11-2011 11:01PM

Jaysus, this lad is an absolute sham.

That extremist Irish muslim lad was obviously saying mad stuff. Most of the rest of the people seem like decent people and he keeps trying to turn them into demons.

groovyg · 15-11-2011 11:11PM

I think Ian is getting the rough end of the stick...if he had to hang out with Catholics and be made go to mass he would be equally annoyed and pissed off..don't understand why they are making him go to prayers. The couple in Ballyhaunis were ridiculous, 'we have gay friends' but 'we are anti gay'....bollocks. If the aim of the programme was to change people's views on Muslims and Islam, well it didn't do a very good job.

chopser · 15-11-2011 11:15PM

Benny_Cake wrote: »

On RTE 1 ar 10:15 tonight.So Ian O'Doherty (the Irish Richard Littlejohn) has spent a week living with Muslims.I'd doubt if his mind has been broadened as it would mean that he'd have to find something else to write about,but will anyone be watching this?

I don't think that's a good comparison. Richard Little John is a conservative who strongly dislikes gays and foreigners while O'Doherty is a lot more liberal but just thinks all should see things his way.

white1awake · 16-11-2011 01:15AM

Ian O'Doherty was an embarrassment. His whole demeanor screams "coming to a detox near you".
He was like a princess, couldn't handle sleeping rough for one bloody night, and then he lost his rag when someone had the nerve to point out his (obvious) drinking problem, haha. It was pathetic.

Bottom line is that no individual Muslim is Europe's problem as such. Our problem lyes in the massive numbers of them coming, coupled with our (whites) low birth rates and their massively high ones.

Simply put, what we really have is a math problem: too many of them being born, not enough of us. Think about what Europe will be like 50 years from now if this continues (which it is going to since we have no leaders with the balls enough to stop it).

Anyways, Ian O'Doherty is a puff piece. And he was pretty friggin rude to a lot of those people tonight as well.....it is one thing to disagree with them , but the way he spoke to some of them (telling the butchers in Ballyhaunis they made him "****ing sick") was a disgrace.

Hey Ian: grow the hell up. And buy some decent shoes for god's sake, you need to leave the teenage dirty sneaker look to the kids.

Cherry Blossom Girl · 16-11-2011 08:02AM

groovyg wrote: »

I think Ian is getting the rough end of the stick...if he had to hang out with Catholics and be made go to mass he would be equally annoyed and pissed off..don't understand why they are making him go to prayers. The couple in Ballyhaunis were ridiculous, 'we have gay friends' but 'we are anti gay'....bollocks. If the aim of the programme was to change people's views on Muslims and Islam, well it didn't do a very good job.

Ian signed up for this programme to challenge his own views and opinions. It would be unrealistic for him to not visit a mosque considering its the Muslim religious beliefs that he has issues with. How would he get a true flavour of the religion without visiting a Mosque and observing what goes on? Fair enough if he didnt want to actually pray, and from what I remember the Muslins respected that wish, but to walk out in the middle of it because he'd "seen it all" was pretty rude.

I would agree that it didn't do much to change people's beliefs though, that Irish muslim guy was a bit of a fruitcake..I guess they chose him for his extreme opinions.

Jonniealan · 16-11-2011 08:29AM

I read his column now and again and sometimes find it quite funny and even clever, but tv is deffinitely not the medium for him. Even though i might have agreed with alot he said he just came across bad. ( in his deffence think he had a cold, very testy also when it came to booze not a good sign )

Islam like most religions is very hypocritical ( think Islam more so than other religionst though)

I have yet to make up my mind about wheather plan by Islam and muslims to take over Europe and the world is just scare mongering or not. Some of the odd balls being interviewed would certainly back that up.

dead one · 16-11-2011 08:35AM

Jonniealan wrote: »

Islam like most religions is very hypocritical ( think Islam more so than other religionst though)

Don't generalize things -- I think often hypocrites generalize things -- let cut to chase -- What makes you think Islam as hypocritical ? i mean

Jonniealan wrote: »

( think Islam more so than other religionst though)

what makes you think Islam more so than other religionst though

Hobbes · 16-11-2011 08:44AM

Let's not "cut to the chase" and just focus on the TV program. Please use another thread or PM if you want to continue that discussion. Same goes for any comments relating to "immigration/them/us". Thanks.

karenharmlem · 16-11-2011 08:46AM

white1awake wrote: »

Bottom line is that no individual Muslim is Europe's problem as such. Our problem lyes in the massive numbers of them coming, coupled with our (whites) low birth rates and their massively high ones.

Simply put, what we really have is a math problem: too many of them being born, not enough of us. Think about what Europe will be like 50 years from now if this continues (which it is going to since we have no leaders with the balls enough to stop it).

Whoa, I think from this you may not see Muslim's as mere human beings, just like white people.

Snickers Man · 16-11-2011 08:49AM

chopser wrote: »

O'Doherty is a lot more liberal but just thinks all should see things his way.

LOL. The dictionary definition of a "liberal".

dead one · 16-11-2011 09:13AM

Hobbes wrote: »

Let's not "cut to the chase" and just focus on the TV program. Please use another thread or PM if you want to continue that discussion. Same goes for any comments relating to "immigration/them/us". Thanks.

Hobbes, what's problem with you -- You see this statement

Originally Posted by Jonniealan

Islam like most religions is very hypocritical ( think Islam more so than other religionst though)

I am asking, what makes him to think Islam being hypocritical religion ---
Am i not allowed to ask such questions ---- The question is in context of thread -- As he posted the statement in the same thread -- You've got no problem with his statement on the other hand you've got problem with my question -- After reading your remarks and behavior towards Islam -- I must say --
Great hypocrite are the real atheists. - Francis Bacon Sr.

BTW: I am still waiting for answers of those questions which i had asked you in the feedback forum -- The questions which were deleted to hide truth -- The questions which exposed your moderation... please do us a favor , go to some place other -- We don't need an atheist to safeguard our right --

I am sure you would delete this comment -- Please don't make this foram a hell hole --

Jonniealan · 16-11-2011 09:35AM

dead one wrote: »

Hobbes, what's problem with you -- You see this statement

I am asking, what makes him to think Islam being hypocritical religion ---
Am i not allowed to ask such questions ---- The question is in context of thread -- As he posted the statement in the same thread -- You've got no problem with his statement on the other hand you've got problem with my question -- After reading your remarks and behavior towards Islam -- I must say --
Great hypocrite are the real atheists. - Francis Bacon Sr.

BTW: I am still waiting for answers of those questions which i had asked you in the feedback forum -- The questions which were deleted to hide truth -- The questions which exposed your moderation... please do us a favor , go to some place other -- We don't need an atheist to safeguard our right --

I am sure you would delete this comment -- Please don't make this foram a hell hole --

You have a persecution complex

I will pray for you

Hobbes · 16-11-2011 09:40AM

Please lets not drag the thread off topic. Also may I direct the new people to read the forum charter. Thanks.

dead one · 16-11-2011 09:43AM

Jonniealan wrote: »

You have a persecution complex

fail to answer a valid question -- It means all of your logic and reasons are based on fantasy -- you are brainwashed by hypocrite media against Islam ---- You have learned Islam by twisted minds --

Jonniealan wrote: »

I will pray for you

I would like to march in hell, if your pray will lead me to the heaven -- pray for yourself --- So long, last comment in the thread

the_syco · 16-11-2011 10:43AM

Teferi wrote: »

That extremist Irish muslim lad was obviously saying mad stuff.

Like Big brother, the crazies get people to watch the program, and the crazies will get people to talk about the program, and watch it next week when it's on.

white1awake · 16-11-2011 02:08PM

I have yet to make up my mind about wheather plan by Islam and muslims to take over Europe and the world is just scare mongering or not.

It really has nothing to do with Muslims themselves, the focus is on the wrong people. It is White liberal European politicians that are bringing them in (the not illegal ones, that is). Now a TV show with real teeth would have focused on THAT issue, not played to the lowest common denominator and tried to play "us" against decent Muslim people themselves.

Btw, do you have any idea how many White people are actually left on earth? Would it surprise you to know our numbers are now in the single percentage points and falling?

Like I said, this is essentially a MATH problem, and sad to say, unless there is a reversal in immigration policies in the West, life for future Whites is going to be very, very "challenging", to say the least.
Whites are unique in that we tend not think as a group, but most other tribes DO think that way and agitate for their own interests.
We must teach each other to do the same.

Hobbes · 16-11-2011 02:31PM

For the last time, this thread is for discussing the TV program as it pertains Islam religion.

It is not for peoples views on white rights or immigration policies.

Ghost Buster · 16-11-2011 03:23PM

Teferi wrote: »

Jaysus, this lad is an absolute sham.

That extremist Irish muslim lad was obviously saying mad stuff. Most of the rest of the people seem like decent people and he keeps trying to turn them into demons.

Such as the guy born and bred in Dublin who told Ian he would punch him and knock him out for drawing a picture of a legendary figure named Mohammad and that a cartoonist should have been sent to prison for the same?
Not my idea of decent.

irishconvert · 16-11-2011 03:43PM

Is it on RTE Player? I checked and couldn't find it. I have ready O'Doherty's columns and he come accross as an ignorant idiot who likes to lump people into boxes based on his views of the world.

Balagan · 16-11-2011 03:59PM

I read Ian's column a couple of times a year. Sometimes I am in agreement with his views but even then felt that he is primarily "a shock jock". Have just watched the programme on RTE playback. All of what was said to him, from the man from the Clonskeagh Mosque to Khalid Kelly was stuff he would have heard before and would have been nothing new to him, however extreme, and he dealt with it well. But he seemed deeply uncomfortable a lot of the time - uncomfortable generally in himself, not just with the subject matter. Did he actually say "I hate the country side" as he travelled to Mayo? I guess he was not prepared for how much he would be exposed, thinking only that it would expose the Muslim community. It was shocking to see him come undone at the mosque in Mayo and say that although he is an atheist, listening in the mosque made him want to bless himself. He seemed really afraid. Why should that be? He himself stated that he could not understand any of it. Maybe fear is at the core of all shock jocks? His discomfort really detracted from the programme.

Delirium · 16-11-2011 04:11PM

irishconvert wrote: »

Is it on RTE Player? I checked and couldn't find it. I have ready O'Doherty's columns and he come accross as an ignorant idiot who likes to lump people into boxes based on his views of the world.

Link to the program

Benny_Cake · 16-11-2011 05:26PM

chopser wrote: »

I don't think that's a good comparison. Richard Little John is a conservative who strongly dislikes gays and foreigners while O'Doherty is a lot more liberal but just thinks all should see things his way.

Given that he describes himself in the first 30-seconds as "unashamedly right-wing" I don't think he could be described as liberal - or that he would describe himself as such.

He just seems borderline-obsessed with Muslims,but also came across as very uncomfortable in his own skin - quite an insecure guy. His reaction to the "alcohol problem" jibe was a little OTT to be honest - it's pretty mild compared to some of the slaggings I've heard among groups of lads before.

oceanclub · 16-11-2011 06:05PM

groovyg wrote: »

I think Ian is getting the rough end of the stick...if he had to hang out with Catholics and be made go to mass

You'd be right if it was a case of unannounced Muslims coming around to Ian's house to turf him out of bed.

But it wasn't - it was him who initiated this, asking to stay with them and see how they typically live. Then he storms out rudely because they take him at his word. It's incredibly rude - in any culture - to be asked to be a guest of someone and then throw a strop like that.

He's also an amazing hypocrite. When he used homophobia as a benchmark as to whether or not Muslims should be allowed to live in Irish society, well, my ironymeter went off the scale (more on him here: http://www.gcn.ie/Homosexuality_=_Bestiality_says_Ian_ODoherty_)

Also I don't think anyone who says drug users are "feral, worthless scumbags" and says "if every junkie in this country were to die tomorrow I would cheer" comes under any definition of the word liberal:

http://bengoldacre.posterous.com/its-amazing-what-people-feel-entitled-to-say

And considering he makes a living at being offensive, his over-the-top reaction to a jibe about drinking - and his own constant references to it - were interesting.

P.

wallst · 16-11-2011 07:54PM

O'Doherty is not really important. Is he a moron or a genius, or and asshole etc? Who cares, he's just some dude.
Islam and their beliefs.
Freedom and democracy and western values.
They reject those values and they r the core values of the western world.
Is Ian O'd a saint? Who cares.
It's not about terrorism or fundamentalists.
Freedom, secularism, equality, democracy are important.
R women treated as equals?
Is freedom allowed in Islam?
Is secularism allowed in Islam? There is one one true religion all others shd be converted or killed.
Democracy, is it ask the people or the Sharia clerics?
Right to a fair trial.
Consider this in our wonderful democracy, 55% of voters are Muslim. Suggestions please as to what referendums we would be holding. It wouldnt be judicial salaries, it would be abolishing the judicial system.
Wake up, take a look at the Middle East, and u can move there if u think I'm being unfair and its not that bad.
O'Doherty may be a moron, but not so big of a moron he doesn't see the threat this religion presents to our way of life.
Call me a bigot, racist etc.
What I am is a person, ready to die to protect freedom the most basic human right. Wall St control is bad enough, imagine handing our sovereignty over to a couple of Imams.
Womens rights.
Freedom of speech.
Democracy.
Equality all gone.

Benny_Cake · 16-11-2011 08:21PM

wallst wrote: »

O'Doherty is not really important. Is he a moron or a genius, or and asshole etc? Who cares, he's just some dude.
Islam and their beliefs.
Freedom and democracy and western values.
They reject those values and they r the core values of the western world.
Is Ian O'd a saint? Who cares.
It's not about terrorism or fundamentalists.
Freedom, secularism, equality, democracy are important.
R women treated as equals?
Is freedom allowed in Islam?
Is secularism allowed in Islam? There is one one true religion all others shd be converted or killed.
Democracy, is it ask the people or the Sharia clerics?
Right to a fair trial.
Consider this in our wonderful democracy, 55% of voters are Muslim. Suggestions please as to what referendums we would be holding. It wouldnt be judicial salaries, it would be abolishing the judicial system.
Wake up, take a look at the Middle East, and u can move there if u think I'm being unfair and its not that bad.
O'Doherty may be a moron, but not so big of a moron he doesn't see the threat this religion presents to our way of life.
Call me a bigot, racist etc.
What I am is a person, ready to die to protect freedom the most basic human right. Wall St control is bad enough, imagine handing our sovereignty over to a couple of Imams.
Womens rights.
Freedom of speech.
Democracy.
Equality all gone.

Really?You might want to tell Turkey that.Thank God for keyboard warriors.

oceanclub · 17-11-2011 02:59PM

Ian O'Doherty reminds me of a David Aaronovitch quote about Rod Liddle (in response to a hysterical Liddle article about Muslims in Paris):

"It seems to me that there is only one state of ignorance more complete than total lack of knowledge, and that is the one engendered by sending Rod Liddle somewhere for a couple of hours."

P.

Knight who says Meh · 18-11-2011 05:47PM

I did enjoy the thinly veiled threat along the lines of '1 in 4 people in the world are muslim and this is growing"
This was in reference to death threats and violent reprisal upon those who dare to depict Mohammad.
Charming.

jocmilt · 19-11-2011 03:55AM

I think the most significant point in the programme was when O'Doherty had a panic attack and ran from the Mosque in Ballyhaunis. Still visibly shaken outside the door he said that although he is an atheist he 'felt like blessing himself'. He was spooked. So how much of an atheist is he? And is this childish fear of strange cultures his real motivation for his hatred of Islam? A real atheist would not have such a fear of something the don't believe exists and neither would they feel like 'blessing themselves', or think that blessing themselves would do any good. Only a very immature person who is still deeply emotionally rooted in their Catholic upbringing would feel that way. And is he an alcholic? He certainly looks like one and went on the defensive like one when his drinking was mentioned by a Muslim. His drinker friends mentioned it at the start of the programme and wonder how he was going to cope without it for a week. Well he didn't did he? The first chance he got he was in the pub "having a pint and reading the newspaper". It was embarassing to watch and if the progamme makers were hoping that by sending a 'right wing bigot' as he admitted he is called to bait Muslims in the hope that his abnoxious behaviour, insults and use of foul language, would elicit a violent outburst/ then, like Ian, it was a waste of time. That's my opinion anyway.

Now It's Personal - Ian O'Doherty

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