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What ARE you willing to have cut?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,033 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    I'd say its pretty manageable as a lifetime of work, one will have built up assets. It is unlikely you'll be paying rent or a mortgage at that stage. You also get free healthcare and prescriptions (the 50c charge is on the way out).
    €220 a week is plenty to live on, to pay what bills you have in excess of your allowance. In fact all a pensioner needs their money for is food and clothes and minor household chores/repair. The state takes care of the rest.

    Also talkin about life time of work, you will see a lot of pensioners lost thousands in shares when the banks went silly up. -

    See from the way you guys are talking you want pensioner to exist not live, but please continue, becuase it's not going to happen - no hugh cuts like you are talking about.

    Cuts should be:

    College fees should be introduced - as it is guys coming out of college disappear abroad and don't pay back the state.

    Water charges should be brought in - if a business has to pay - surely individuals should be to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,169 ✭✭✭chasm


    CorkBabe33 wrote: »
    And as for children's allowance being paid for children not even living here - should be stopped with immediate effect.

    Will never happen. I have no problem with children's allowance being paid for children resident in their home country if the parent is working here, or if they were working here. I am sure there are many Irish parents that receive it for their children and never worked a day in their life.

    Part of Joan Burton's reply in the Dáil on November 2nd in relation to the matter:

    "A key principle of the co-ordination system is that persons moving to different Member States are subject to the same obligations and enjoy the same benefits as the nationals of those Member States. With few exceptions, it is the country of employment which receives the social security contributions and which is generally responsible for the payment of benefits.

    Irish child benefit is classed as a family benefit and there are specific rules governing the payment of these benefits. EU nationals who come to work in Ireland, and who pay Irish social security contributions, are entitled to receive child benefit in respect of their families, even if the family resides in another EU Member State. The equality provisions of the Regulations require that these payments are made at the same rates applicable to a person whose family is resident in Ireland. These provisions are seen as important in an EU context for the role they play in encouraging and facilitating the free movement of EU citizens.

    The cost of paying child benefit in respect of the 4,929 customers with 7,798 children in 2011 to date has been €10.9m. It is estimated that the full year cost will be €13.1m.

    I raised the possibility of a change to the EU regulations informally with EU Commissioner Andor on his visit to Dublin in June. The Commissioner indicated he would not favour putting forward such a proposal for the foreseeable future, as the Commission views the current arrangements as providing greater equality between citizens of different EU States. However, I am continuing to raise the issue with appropriate Ministers from other EU countries and am considering what further action may be possible."
    http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2011/11/02/00169.asp

    I think the idea the Govt were throwing around earlier this year about linking the payment to immunizations or school attendance is possibly an idea to get around the EU regulations. That's just my own opinion, i am most probably wrong lol ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 Toad-Girl


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    College fees should be introduced - as it is guys coming out of college disappear abroad and don't pay back the state.

    As a student, i'm gonna agree with you on this. Makes a lot more sense to me then just increasing the registration fee every year to the point where we may as well have them. I for one couldn't afford to pay it. Wouldn't even be a student was my mother not willing to incur massive debt to finance it. But secondary to this the grants scheme needs to be scrapped entirely. In it's place a loans system should be introduced, available to ALL students and not just those who are lucky to fall just below the line for grant eligibility. We're all free to do the same degree courses, points allowing, why should only the unlucky children of the middle class be saddled with debt? We'll all be on a level playing field for jobs eventually. Seriously sick of a system where I get slagged for being 'dry' because my classmates on the grant can afford to go out 3/4 nights a week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,677 ✭✭✭policarp


    policarp wrote: »
    Devalue the Euro. . .
    I still think the Euro should be devalued. . .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭The Internet Explorer


    Probably some hair, maybe some paper too. I'm not sure.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,033 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Toad-Girl wrote: »
    As a student, i'm gonna agree with you on this. Makes a lot more sense to me then just increasing the registration fee every year to the point where we may as well have them. I for one couldn't afford to pay it. Wouldn't even be a student was my mother not willing to incur massive debt to finance it. But secondary to this the grants scheme needs to be scrapped entirely. In it's place a loans system should be introduced, available to ALL students and not just those who are lucky to fall just below the line for grant eligibility. We're all free to do the same degree courses, points allowing, why should only the unlucky children of the middle class be saddled with debt? We'll all be on a level playing field for jobs eventually. Seriously sick of a system where I get slagged for being 'dry' because my classmates on the grant can afford to go out 3/4 nights a week.

    exactly, this is what it should be, everyone is entitiled to get a loan, and pay it back when you qualify and get a job, if you want to buzz off to england you can but this loan will still have to be paid off. that way it's a fair system.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    i'm will to see college fees reintroduced, loan system similar to norway introduced.

    I'm willing to see SW slashed at all levels including rent allowance

    I'd love to see PS wages brought in line with rest of europe and streamlining too

    Health care Id like to see an overhaul of system but perhaps improve the system as opposed slash it down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭saa


    Interesting how the OAP cuts are a very emotive subject, not for me if the pensioner is financially comfortable if a day comes when they are not they will receive me, the days of blanket benefits for all are gone.

    Means test the Child benefit, most don't need it. but to cut everyone would mean some children would really be feeling the brunt of that for food clothing and heat. Well I wouldnt know my ma squirreled away the benefit, other parents drank their benefits you know I think the children themselves would be more responsible even if they ended up spending it on refresher bars.

    A lot of things these days must be means tested as resources are so scarce, but this in itself is expensive so if only there was one means test that was super efficient


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Squall19


    Toad-Girl wrote: »
    .why should only the unlucky children of the middle class be saddled with debt?

    Seriously sick of a system where I get slagged for being 'dry' because my classmates on the grant can afford to go out 3/4 nights a week.

    They are right too:p

    You would think with you being middle class and a higher person, that you would have figured out that it costs nothing to go out 3/4 nights a week.

    What ous normal people, not middle class and a higher person like yourself, do is this.

    20 cans for 20 euro, does fine for 3/4 nights, you drink them at your place and then go to the free disco ( always free entrance before 11 at some place ) and buy nothing when your there, free tap water to sober up at the end of night.

    See you are dry:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Squall19 wrote: »
    They are right too:p

    You would think with you being middle class and a higher person, that you would have figured out that it costs nothing to go out 3/4 nights a week.

    What ous normal people, not middle class and a higher person like yourself, do is this.

    20 cans for 20 euro, does fine for 3/4 nights, you drink them at your place and then go to the free disco ( always free entrance before 11 at some place ) and buy nothing when your there, free tap water to sober up at the end of night.

    See you are dry:D

    Not quite the situation though. Because of the ridiculous system one person might be just a few quid over and not qualify, and a person whose parents are on a similar income (just below the threshold) so. Much the the medical card criteria.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,819 ✭✭✭✭noodler



    Less than €200 p/w? Again get the facts right before spouting off!:rolleyes:

    I'm far from struggling, I have never been on SW and hopefully never will!


    What a child.

    Sorry, 220 a week if you feel that substantially changes your ill-thought out arguments.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭foreverandever


    Squall19 wrote: »
    20 cans for 20 euro, does fine for 3/4 nights, you drink them at your place and then go to the free disco ( always free entrance before 11 at some place ) and buy nothing when your there, free tap water to sober up at the end of night.

    See you are dry:D

    That sounds so awful


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Cutting politicians pay leads to two things btw. It reduces the quality of candidates and it aids corruption.

    How you came to this conclusion in the light of everything which has happened in the last 1050 years is beyond me :confused:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Scanlas The 2nd


    Squall19 wrote: »
    They are right too:p

    You would think with you being middle class and a higher person, that you would have figured out that it costs nothing to go out 3/4 nights a week.

    What ous normal people, not middle class and a higher person like yourself, do is this.

    20 cans for 20 euro, does fine for 3/4 nights, you drink them at your place and then go to the free disco ( always free entrance before 11 at some place ) and buy nothing when your there, free tap water to sober up at the end of night.

    See you are dry:D

    Good idea


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭Stiffler2


    oooo, rubs hand together.
    Right here's how it's done.

    Cut the following :

    Army - why the **ck do we need an army, *&*kin stupid,
    Arts
    TD's salaries, judges salaries, in fact all public sector workers who earn too much
    You are there to serve the public, not get rich, if you want to be rich go into the private sector ffs

    President - Gone, why do we have a f*&*n president & an ambassador - stupid

    Take everying off, Sean Quinn, Sean Fitzpatrick / the golden circle & I do mean everything including their clothes which can be sold on.

    Start up 1 nuclear power plant ( in Cork ( city centre preferably )) and sell the extra power to Europe now that we are connected to the whole grid just recently.

    Tear the contract with Shell drilling our gas fields in half & spit on their face.
    When they take us to court, just don't show up. Get a better deal from Esso that gives Ireland more. These fields could pay off our debt alone from what I've read on it. no linkys

    & that's just for starters. Elect me and I will rule with an Iron Fist like my hero Stalin. Ireland will be rich, rich rich.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭gazzer


    A 10% tax on anybody who voted Fianna Fail and an extra 10% for those who voted for Bertie Ahern 3 times in a row would generate a fair amount of income.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 Toad-Girl


    Squall19 wrote: »

    What ous normal people, not middle class and a higher person like yourself, do is this.

    Just saw this now. I wasn't intentionally describing myself as 'middle-class.' My family basically falls above the grant line due to the extra income my mother accrues from my dead father's pension. I've never really considered myself and my peers on a class line. But i'm certainly not a higher class of person than my friends on grants who all afforded to go on holidays this summer on them, majority of them even have cars. I can't even afford a driving lesson never mind a car. 20euro a night for four nights is eighty euro. There goes all my travel and food money for the week.
    Just because i'm jealous of the free money they're entitled to by a ridiculous system doesn't mean I think i'm 'a higher person.' I'm not even gonna pretend I wouldn't be delighted to take a grant if I was allowed, I'm not blaming them for claiming it. I'm just sick of hearing 'grant cheques in, shopping trip.'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭talkinyite


    I'd cut taxes, and ties with any government or organisation that tries bully Ireland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭kincsem


    2,000 of the 2,600+ Quangos ( quasi non-governmental organisation, quasi-autonomous non-governmental organisation)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭talkinyite


    is it not doublespeak when cuts mean more taxes rather than less? Am I the only one here that thinks taxes should be cut?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Toad-Girl wrote: »
    Just saw this now. I wasn't intentionally describing myself as 'middle-class.' My family basically falls above the grant line due to the extra income my mother accrues from my dead father's pension. I've never really considered myself and my peers on a class line. But i'm certainly not a higher class of person than my friends on grants who all afforded to go on holidays this summer on them, majority of them even have cars. I can't even afford a driving lesson never mind a car. 20euro a night for four nights is eighty euro. There goes all my travel and food money for the week.
    Just because i'm jealous of the free money they're entitled to by a ridiculous system doesn't mean I think i'm 'a higher person.' I'm not even gonna pretend I wouldn't be delighted to take a grant if I was allowed, I'm not blaming them for claiming it. I'm just sick of hearing 'grant cheques in, shopping trip.'

    Yep. There are all sorts of scams (legal ones) to qualify. For example, some people put part of their salary into Pension AVCs and it is then not included when applying. I don't know about everyone else, but I could never have afforded to do that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    talkinyite wrote: »
    is it not doublespeak when cuts mean more taxes rather than less? Am I the only one here that thinks taxes should be cut?
    i think the higher band tax rate should be cut greatily. I couldn't imagine what it's like to see half your wages docked every month just because you put the hard work in from a young age.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭AhSureTisGrand


    All those state boards the likes of Mary Davis serve on. What the fuck do they do?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭cock robin


    Ghandee wrote: »
    My banjo string.

    I think circumcision would quite suit me. :pac:

    I agree a 50% cut in my rod would give me an average of 5.5 inches which is more than enough :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Galtee


    gazzer wrote: »
    A 10% tax on anybody who voted Fianna Fail and an extra 10% for those who voted for Bertie Ahern 3 times in a row would generate a fair amount of income.

    And a 25% tax on any idiot who voted yes to lisbon the first time and a 50% tax on any idiot who voted yes to lisbon the second time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭srsly78


    Galtee wrote: »
    And a 25% tax on any idiot who voted yes to lisbon the first time and a 50% tax on any idiot who voted yes to lisbon the second time.

    Thrice-accursed EU giving us all that money :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 249 ✭✭tonsiltickler


    Rent allowance is ridiculous. Should be scrapped unless there are some extenuating circumstances.

    No problem with child benefit; it's the fact that non nationals can claim here for their children abroad is ludicrous.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Galtee


    srsly78 wrote: »
    Thrice-accursed EU giving us all that money :mad:

    Thrice-accursed EU running our country. :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    No, I'm not a teenager. People whinge about fairness when it comes to cuts in Budget 2011 yet when it comes to the little old dear down the road they can't be touched.:rolleyes:

    Pensioners aren't going to get anything cut because they usually vote. Simple as. If pensioners didn't vote everything they get would have been slashed by now.

    Social welfare won't be cut much more (if at all) because it's a cost the State pays to keep the crime rate down. If there was far lower, or no, social welfare, the crime rate would rocket immediately because people have to survive.

    A social welfare payment to a junkie isn't because the State cares about them, quite the reverse I would say, it is to keep them off the crime records and make it look like the Government is controlling things.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Galtee


    Pensioners aren't going to get anything cut because they usually vote. Simple as. If pensioners didn't vote everything they get would have been slashed by now.

    Social welfare won't be cut much more (if at all) because it's a cost the State pays to keep the crime rate down. If there was far lower, or no, social welfare, the crime rate would rocket immediately because people have to survive.

    A social welfare payment to a junkie isn't because the State cares about them, quite the reverse I would say, it is to keep them off the crime records and make it look like the Government is controlling things.

    Bizarre assertions.


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