United Ireland

robp · 08-11-2011 06:03PM

I see a lot of posters stating "we don't want them". It comes across as a strikingly selfish attitude. Irish in the six counties have gone to much further lengths for sovereignty then any living person in the republic, and suffered greatly as a result. It cost them their economy. What right do we have to exclude them if thats their wish, after all their Irish.

There are regular opinion polls on the topic amongst Northern Ireland's Catholics and Protestants. Their easy to find online. A quick glance implies reunification's popularity (amongst Catholics) follows economic strength in the republic. So perhaps it will/could happen in the next boom/sustained upturn?

Where To · 08-11-2011 06:03PM

Ireland(the island:D) has never been a unified sovereign independent state, can't see how or why that will ever change in the future.

Celly Smunt · 08-11-2011 06:04PM

robp wrote: »

I see a lot of posters stating "we don't want them". It comes across as a strikingly selfish attitude. Irish in the six counties have gone to much further lengths for sovereignty then any living person in the republic, and suffered greatly as a result. It cost them their economy. What right do we have to exclude them if thats their wish, after all their Irish.

There are regular opinion polls on the topic amongst Northern Ireland's Catholics and Protestants. Their easy to find online. A quick glance implies reunification's popularity (amongst Catholics) follows economic strength in the republic. So perhaps it will/could happen in the next boom/sustained upturn?

They're British.

D1stant · 08-11-2011 06:04PM

Cameron Poe wrote: »

The Catholic population of the north is increasing steadily (or it was unless they've stopped riding without johnnys) while the Unionist population is not increasing to the same level. So when there's more Catholics they'll want to be in our gang instead of King Charles gang.

Our gang being the one thats staring at default and Euro exit.... no chance

*off to learn some marching songs*

laoch na mona · 08-11-2011 06:06PM

fine geal want unity under the british flag

gurramok · 08-11-2011 06:12PM

pmcmahon wrote: »

They're British.

Who? The British people in Britain? The Irish people in Ireland are Irish.

Cameron Poe · 08-11-2011 06:13PM

D1stant wrote: »

Our gang being the one thats staring at default and Euro exit.... no chance

*off to learn some marching songs*

Our gang being similar to Gary Glitters gang with all the pedophilia and whatnot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWa7V17n2no

BrokenArrows · 08-11-2011 06:14PM

Cameron Poe wrote: »

The Catholic population of the north is increasing steadily (or it was unless they've stopped riding without johnnys) while the Unionist population is not increasing to the same level. So when there's more Catholics they'll want to be in our gang instead of King Charles gang.

It's that mentality that causes the problems. Combining north and south should have nothing to do with religion.

But I dont really care if its ever one whole country. What difference does it make. You can go up north, work and live just as easily as you can down south.

Cameron Poe · 08-11-2011 06:16PM

BrokenArrows wrote: »

It's that mentality that causes the problems. Combining north and south should have nothing to do with religion.

But I dont really care if its ever one whole country. What difference does it make. You can go up north, work and live just as easily as you can down south.

You can substitute the word catholic for Irish and unionist for British if you want, same difference.

tfitzgerald · 08-11-2011 06:19PM

The way things are going we are all going to be united Under Islam soon anyway:):)

starlit · 08-11-2011 06:59PM

The fact is it didn't happen in 1922 and still hasn't happened its unlikely to happen. It be some miracle if it did. I'd love it to happen, but if Ireland hasn't United since then its less likely to happen regardless of intervention. So think its never going to happen but if did it be decades away!

If it were to have happened it would have happened already! I really can't see it happening.

The Brits were going to give all of them back but due to economic reasons the Brits still wanted the 6 counties, Ireland still had to compromise some way or another.

The only reason why Britain gave 26 Counties back was Britain wanted Ireland on side to fight future wars and that Britain was sick of fighting hence WW1 and WW2 Britain was willing to let go of Ireland but still be part of the common wealth was that so difficult to accept?

Ireland is a separate legal and independent entity no matter what way you look at it. All of us are Irish no matter what or who they are ruled by and what religion we are. Religion is dying and politics needs room for improvement. Politicians will never agree with one another from different parties.

While Ireland is under this economic recession haze, those in NI are less likely to want to join and are happy enough the way things are for them! No point ruining the peace.

tiger55 · 08-11-2011 07:24PM

Tesco Massacre wrote: »

I'm happy enough with the 26.

The Brits can keep the rest.

You have them 6 counties

Ulster is a massive drain on the UK taxpayers.

tiger55 · 08-11-2011 07:27PM

tfitzgerald wrote: »

The way things are going we are all going to be united Under Islam soon anyway:):)

No the Chinese in Belfast will unite with the Africans in Dublin.

al28283 · 08-11-2011 07:28PM

are you sure you know what inevitable means?

marcsignal · 08-11-2011 07:34PM

Obviously, I cant supply a link for this, but.....

My brother has a lot of business dealings with many young, and very successful men and women in the North, from Northern Protestant/Unionist backgrounds.

Not many of them are planning on living out their retirement in NI.

Iwasfrozen · 08-11-2011 07:46PM

marcsignal wrote: »

Obviously, I cant supply a link for this, but.....

My brother has a lot of business dealings with many young, and very successful men and women in the North, from Northern Protestant/Unionist backgrounds.

Not many of them are planning on living out their retirement in NI.

Your brother talks about politics with clients? That's a recipe for disaster right there.

ItsAWindUp · 08-11-2011 07:47PM

If right was right then it would have already happened tbh.

Sunnyisland · 08-11-2011 08:19PM

doovdela wrote: »

The fact is it didn't happen in 1922 and still hasn't happened its unlikely to happen. It be some miracle if it did. I'd love it to happen, but if Ireland hasn't United since then its less likely to happen regardless of intervention. So think its never going to happen but if did it be decades away!

If it were to have happened it would have happened already! I really can't see it happening.

:D

marcsignal · 08-11-2011 08:30PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Your brother talks about politics with clients? That's a recipe for disaster right there.

No, they were discussing retirement

AudreyHepburn · 08-11-2011 08:35PM

I can't ever see a 32 county Ireland and to be honest I think we're better off......any attempt to unite the country would be a sure fire way to reignite the troubles.

Things are fine as they are. We have peace, why risk more fighting and killing?

Cee-Jay-Cee · 09-11-2011 12:05AM

It'll never happen...ever. For a start England/Britian will not give it back and even if they didnt want it, the irish government wouldnt want it. The republicans can cry and shout all they want but no one is listening. I never want to see a united ireland.

And if were ever explained to the republicans in the north who think they actually want a united ireland and to be ruled from dublin, what it would mean giving up and taking on, then they wouldnt want a united ireland either, but they'd never admit that as they end up looking stupid for having kept up the 'Fight' for so long.

super_furry · 09-11-2011 12:07AM

When the majority of people living in Northern Ireland decide, via a referendum that they want to leave the UK and join the Republic.

I honestly don't think it will ever happen.

kincsem · 09-11-2011 12:28AM

Cork will split from the 25 counties and ruin it.

Wetbench4 · 09-11-2011 01:18AM

Never ever going to happen. If anything was going to happen, it would be that the north would become its own country. Can we move on now???

Shattered Dreamer · 09-11-2011 01:21AM

op you need to get a life lol

The Scientician · 09-11-2011 01:42AM

I wouldn't say never but it'll be a lifetime or more if it ever happens. Northern Ireland is a date the Republic can't afford for the near future. While NI's current unemployment rate stands at about half of the Republic's roughly 30% of jobs in NI are public sector. The rate in the republic is about 20%, but will presumably decrease as waves and waves of austerity shrink the state. The British tax payer subsidises NI to the tune of £5 billion a year (€5.8 billion)

Plus even when you have a republican majority in NI you'll still have maybe 800,000 people who don't want to be part of a united Ireland. That minority would be able to impede the creation of a 32 county republic long after that point.

There also doesn't seem to be the political will for it to become a major political issue anytime soon. The rights of Catholics/Republicans in the North are protected, the border is open, and the violence largely contained. Meanwhile economic woes are a much more immediate concern to most of society north and south. And while Sinn Féin, the only real republican party of any significance on this island, is a major player in NI politics, it hasn't as yet taken on a similar role in the south.

Chuck Stone · 09-11-2011 02:43AM

smash wrote: »

I have no idea where you're getting inevitable from considering the Brits wont even hand Gibraltar over to Spain.

The difference is that Gibraltar is of great strategic importance. Norn Iron has no strategic importance, (didn't the British concede this as a pretext for the ceasefire?) and is in fact an economic burden on the UK.

Personally I don't really care as long as people aren't being killed and the minority continues to take its place in the PS/CS and the PSNI so the statutory elements of NI cannot get away with what they did ever again.

KeithAFC · 09-11-2011 07:53AM

gurramok wrote: »

Who? The British people in Britain? The Irish people in Ireland are Irish.

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of British people in Ulster and they will completely disagree. Many people died so we could keep our identity. I don't think you would like if if I said everyone in Ulster is British.

KeithAFC · 09-11-2011 07:55AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I can't ever see a 32 county Ireland and to be honest I think we're better off......any attempt to unite the country would be a sure fire way to reignite the troubles.

Things are fine as they are. We have peace, why risk more fighting and killing?

100% agree. The Republic would only be causing problems for themselves and it would just kick it all off again.

cardwizzard · 09-11-2011 08:11AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

100% agree. The Republic would only be causing problems for themselves and it would just kick it all off again.

Well there wasn't much reason for the GFA now was there.:rolleyes:

The people of the North will decide when there is to be a United Ireland, if indeed it ever happens. All this nonsense of the Loyalists doing this or that is totally hypothetical. Truth, probably scare mongering at its worst.

We signed up for a process, the GFA, and we are stuck with it. Maybe one side may feel like they will lose if a UI comes, but that is hardlines.

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