Woman given 4 year sentence for sexual exploitation of 15yo girl.

Wetai · 08-11-2011 01:36AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

So sad, how can Irish people be so cruel?

I'm sure it happens in other places as well, we just don't actively hear about it - more so in developing countries, though, I assume.

Pompey Magnus · 08-11-2011 05:56AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

So sad, how can Irish people be so cruel?

What Irish people? The guilty woman is Nigerian and the nationality of the man wasn't given.

LighterGuy · 08-11-2011 06:07AM

TheIrishTimes:

A WOMAN has been sentenced to four years in jail after she “sold” a schoolgirl to a 64-year-old man who paid €50 to have sex with her.

The man then took his own life three days after the Garda began investigating the allegations.

Remilekun Thomas (39), Fortlawn Park, Blanchardstown, pleaded guilty to two charges of using a child for the purposes of sexual exploitation between May 1st and 31st, 2008.

Dublin Circuit Criminal Court heard the man paid €50 to the girl for full intercourse at least six times at his home and at another location.

Thomas took this money from the teenager each time, only giving €10 back to her on one occasion. On another occasion the man paid €100 which Thomas took from the girl in full.

Det Garda John Small told Patrick McGrath, prosecuting, that the man had admitted meeting the girl a number of times and paying her €50 to €100 each time for sex.

Det Garda Small said that Thomas first met the girl in September 2007 when she showed up at Thomas’s home. She was in third year in secondary school, was dressed in her school uniform and told Thomas she was aged 15.

In May 2008 Thomas was working as a prostitute to the man when he asked her to find another “girl” for him to have sex with. He did not specify anything about her age.

Thomas told the teenager to go and meet the man and said that he would “take care of her”, meaning he would have sex with her. These meetings continued until the girl’s mother found out and alerted gardaí, who arrested Thomas initially on a charge of organising prostitution.

Det Garda Small said there was a “suspicion” that she had used another girl for sexual exploitation.

Kenneth C Fogarty SC, defending, said his client was a Nigerian national who was now living legally in the State and had three children who were born here.

So said woman was a hooker.... But it almost sounds likes shes married to an Irish bloke...

Kenneth C Fogarty SC, defending, said his client was a Nigerian national who was now living legally in the State and had three children who were born here.

And her surname is Thomas? ... Now, i've known a few nigerian people and never heard of anyone with the surname Thomas. In fact, out of every nigerian I met they never had an typical western name.

kraggy · 08-11-2011 07:01AM

When the fcuk will politicians start debating this in the Oireachtas and draft legislation to bring in heavier sentencing?

It's needed for practically all crimes.

ZombieBride · 08-11-2011 01:12PM

Dudess wrote: »

Well a minor - not really a child though, in terms of biology and life stage.

15 is considered a child in Ireland in the cases of sexual activity, employment, housing, welfare, criminal activity, etc.., so yes a child.

UrbanSea · 08-11-2011 01:22PM

If it was a man he would have gotten about 8 to 10 years I'd say.

Can you imagine if an Irish person went over to Nigeria and do that crime? They wouldn't be getting such a soft punishment,would probably never see daylight again,nor would they walk again after going inside. Send her home.

Stiffler2 · 08-11-2011 01:38PM

If der's grass on the pitch play ball.....

old enough to bleed.......bleedin old enough !!!

Is there really anything wrong with this though bar the age difference.
What if the man was 20 ???

15 ain't too far away from 16 which correct me if I'm wrong is the legal age for sex in most European countries ??

He should have shagged her in Spain, it's legal there unless you're 12

Sure just look what age it's legal to have sex at in Spain, that's right it's 13 !!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

I'd at least say the 60yo man died with a smile on his face. !!

Mod note: user banned

ZombieBride · 08-11-2011 01:49PM

But we are not in Spain or any other European country for that matter Stiffler2, we are in Ireland, and have our own laws.

conorhal · 08-11-2011 01:50PM

Dudess wrote: »

Well a minor - not really a child though, in terms of biology and life stage.

Is that you President Senator Norris?

summerskin · 08-11-2011 01:53PM

Stiffler2 wrote: »

If der's grass on the pitch play ball.....

old enough to bleed.......bleedin old enough !!!

Is there really anything wrong with this though bar the age difference.
What if the man was 20 ???

15 ain't too far away from 16 which correct me if I'm wrong is the legal age for sex in most European countries ??

He should have shagged her in Spain, it's legal there unless you're 12

Sure just look what age it's legal to have sex at in Spain, that's right it's 13 !!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

I'd at least say the 60yo man died with a smile on his face. !!

He killed himself. I doubt very much he was smiling.

Just like nobody will smile after reading your post.

conorhal · 08-11-2011 02:13PM

xxxJennyxxx wrote: »

That's horrific! 4 years?? That's nothing ... That's a spin in college like.
Should defiantly have gotten at least twice, if not triple that sentence for what she put that poor child through

It's two years, with two suspended. What a lot of people don’t know is that prisoners get an automatic 25% remission of time served in advance, on the basis of your good behavior in prison (which is generally applied regardless of how you behave in prison.)
So between ‘good behavior’ and no doubt early release due to over crowding and how little a threat she presents, I doubt she’ll do more then a year to 18 months.
Automatic remission regardless of the seriousness of the crime committed is one among many reasons why our ‘justice system’ is a joke.

Yakult · 08-11-2011 02:18PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

So sad, how can Irish people be so cruel?

Did you even read the article?

Either way, **** sentence but cant say I'm surprised.. It is Ireland after all.

MungBean · 08-11-2011 02:34PM

Stiffler2 wrote: »

"Nothing wrong with sexually exploiting children"

Afternoon Mr Glitter.

Kasabian · 08-11-2011 02:41PM

Stiffler2 wrote: »

If der's grass on the pitch play ball.....

old enough to bleed.......bleedin old enough !!!

You make me sick.

The only blokes I ever hear using this saying are sad bastards.

Beruthiel · 08-11-2011 02:53PM

Stiffler2 wrote: »

If der's grass on the pitch play ball.....

old enough to bleed.......bleedin old enough !!!

Seriously?

Zebra3 · 08-11-2011 03:35PM

Can this criminal be deported at the end of her time served?

Ray Palmer · 08-11-2011 03:37PM

ZombieBride wrote: »

15 is considered a child in Ireland in the cases of sexual activity, employment, housing, welfare, criminal activity, etc.., so yes a child.

Yes a child legally but people do mix up these things. 15 is young and by no where near the competant enough to make certain decisions in most cases. Physically they are not children luckily nobody has said the guy was a pedophile which would be incorrect.

By no way do I think this was acceptable. If the girl did this consentually it does change matters quite a lot.

I still don't get what people want out of sentencing. Do they want punishment,deterrant or rehabilitation? I personally don't care once it is effective to prevent repeat offenders or any additional burden to the state.

I am pretty sure that increasing sentences doesn't work but what do people want? WOuld you like somebody to come out after 10 years in prision worse than they were going in or spend 2 years in prison and come out unlikely to do anything similar.

I'm no bleeding heart liberal but apparerntly Norway are actually quite good at rehabilitation of prisioners.

LighterGuy · 08-11-2011 03:56PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Can this criminal be deported at the end of her time served?

100% wont happen.
See the laws we have over here are a joke and can also be gotten around.

Many people don't know that the biggest trick non-nationals do is to have a kid while here (she has 3) .. kids become Irish citizens and need their mother.

It says she is legal. Doesnt state if its permanent status or not. either way, the kids secure her stay her.

Ray Palmer · 08-11-2011 04:50PM

LighterGuy wrote: »

100% wont happen.
See the laws we have over here are a joke and can also be gotten around.

Many people don't know that the biggest trick non-nationals do is to have a kid while here (she has 3) .. kids become Irish citizens and need their mother.

It says she is legal. Doesnt state if its permanent status or not. either way, the kids secure her stay her.

And what other people don't realise is this has been ruled as not a valid reason years ago yet still spout what they don't know. :rolleyes:

previous user · 08-11-2011 05:05PM

I used to live in Blanchardstown, now I live closer to town.

tiger55 · 08-11-2011 08:00PM

The wonders of diversity.

Nodin · 08-11-2011 08:04PM

tiger55 wrote: »

The wonders of diversity.

So there was no sexual exploitation of minors in this country when we were not 'diverse'? Do please elaborate.

tiger55 · 08-11-2011 08:06PM

Nodin wrote: »

So there was no sexual exploitation of minors in this country when we were not 'diverse'? Do please elaborate.

This would not have happened if Ireland did not allow this immigrant in to begin with.

Nodin · 08-11-2011 08:10PM

tiger55 wrote: »

This would not have happened if Ireland did not allow this immigrant in to begin with.

A subtle evasion. You originally implied that this incident was linked with 'diversity'.

Do you suggest that nobody from anywhere be allowed into the country under any circumstances?

Dudess · 08-11-2011 08:41PM

Ah, that angle - wondered when it would be brought up.

Unfortunately there are Irish people capable of doing this stuff too. And it was pretty widespread in this country up to less than 50 years ago...

thebullkf · 08-11-2011 10:42PM

Dudess wrote: »

Ah, that angle - wondered when it would be brought up.

Unfortunately there are Irish people capable of doing this stuff too. And it was pretty widespread in this country up to less than 50 years ago...

link

MagicMarker · 08-11-2011 11:03PM

thebullkf wrote: »

link

Pimping young girls out has been pretty common worldwide since the dawn of time in fairness.

languagenerd · 08-11-2011 11:07PM

2 years for pimping out a teenager. What is wrong with this country?!!!!!! :mad:. Should be at least 10 years!

LighterGuy wrote: »

In fact, most likely the 60yo man if was alive probably would of gotten more of a sentence than her.

Well considering he raped a 15 year old, I would hope he would have got more than 2 years!!!!!

I think her sentence is disgustingly short, don't get me wrong - but that example is invalid, the man obviously should have got a sentence longer than 2 years and it has nothing to do with his being male, it's to do with what he did.

therewillbe · 08-11-2011 11:14PM

The Crap some people will do for a few quid.Sick B.....d:mad:

LighterGuy · 08-11-2011 11:21PM

languagenerd wrote: »

Well considering he raped a 15 year old, I would hope he would have got more than 2 years!!!!!

I think her sentence is disgustingly short, don't get me wrong - but that example is invalid, the man obviously should have got a sentence longer than 2 years and it has nothing to do with his being male, it's to do with what he did.

Hmmm,
You either A, cant read or B, cant understand the meaning behind what I said. Perhaps both? :pac:

Nigerian woman only got 2 years. You yourself say she should of gotten more. And if the 64yo man was alive he would of gotten more than her. But fact remains, nigerian woman still would only of gotten 2 years for pimping out the girl even if the man was alive and sentenced.

Woman given 4 year sentence for sexual exploitation of 15yo girl.

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