Irish chicken is fresher and better quality - please buy Irish

listermint · 02-11-2011 08:12PM

texidub wrote: »

Exactly. Don't buy into the 'buy Irish' nonsense --one greedy, cost-cutting businessperson is the same as the next. Buy irish for the satisfaction of having a neighbour rip you off.. Better the divil you know?

Just a load of pseudopatriotic guff, tbh...

Mainly your points exist in the realms of rubbish.

But you keep convincing yourself that its guff. All the while increasing the dole queue.

Clap Clap for you

texidub · 02-11-2011 08:20PM

listermint, Emotional blackmail won't work on me I'm afraid. I'll shop for the mix of quality and value that suits me best.

The argument that you are keeping people in jobs is manipulative , but also misleading... By the same token, if I stop buying Thai imports I am putting a Thai out of a job. So basically all you are saying is Irish jobs are more valuable and important than foreign jobs?! That's simply not true. (To me, anyway.)

Andrew33 · 03-11-2011 01:36AM

texidub wrote: »

Exactly. Don't buy into the 'buy Irish' nonsense --one greedy, cost-cutting businessperson is the same as the next. Buy irish for the satisfaction of having a neighbour rip you off.. Better the divil you know?

Just a load of pseudopatriotic guff, tbh...

Not just aimed at you Texi but..

"There are none so blind as those who do not wish to see"

Jordan 199 · 03-11-2011 01:41AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ9M7bsx10I

Pompey Magnus · 03-11-2011 01:45AM

texidub wrote: »

Just a load of pseudopatriotic guff, tbh...

Pseudopatriotic guff with very real economic sense behind it which has been recognised by every national government on Earth...but you know better I assume?

texidub · 03-11-2011 01:50AM

is this about buying Irish chickens or Judaeo-Christian mysticism?

Buy Irish/Thai/French/Australian.. whatever, it's an economic transaction, not a meeting of souls or a political statement. Of course those with a vested interest in you buying Irish will say otherwise and will try every bit of psychological manipulation to get you to do so... Including insinuating that you're unpatriotic if you don't buy Irish. Back in the real world, business is business and just as the business owners have no loyalty to me, I have none to them. The idea that I should be more loyal to an Irish capitalist than a Canadian one is really irritating --they're both just trying to make a buck and I'm just trying to buy a chicken

texidub · 03-11-2011 01:55AM

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

Pseudopatriotic guff with very real economic sense behind it which has been recognised by every national government on Earth...but you know better I assume?

Can you tell me why the Guaranteed Irish symbol was banned if every government on earth --and presumably the wider Milky Way too given the level of consensus on this-- agrees that people should buy local? Hmm? Because the definition of local was extended to include all the EU members is it? Why not extend it to the whole world then?

With very real economic sense behind it, I assume every government on earth is working hard right now to restrict and limit international commerce... oh wait a second...

Edit: Are you in Sydney? Are you Irish? I assume you are buying a limited amount of Irish chickens (or Irish anything then) then... I think your post stands as pseudopatriotic guff then, no? Or do you always buy locally produced goods wherever you are? So, if yer in Oz, yer buying Australian... which qualifies as pseudopatriotic guff too since you're not from there. That's my point really... it's about goods/services and economic transactions, that's all it is no matter what the earnest business owner will tell you

Pompey Magnus · 03-11-2011 02:02AM

texidub wrote: »

is this about buying Irish chickens or Judaeo-Christian mysticism?

Buy Irish/Thai/French/Australian.. whatever, it's an economic transaction, not a meeting of souls or a political statement. Of course those with a vested interest in you buying Irish will say otherwise and will try every bit of psychological manipulation to get you to do so... Including insinuating that you're unpatriotic if you don't buy Irish. Back in the real world, business is business and just as the business owners have no loyalty to me, I have none to them. The idea that I should be more loyal to an Irish capitalist than a Canadian one is really irritating --they're both just trying to make a buck and I'm just trying to buy a chicken

You get your cheap chicken and the Thai economy benefits a tiny little bit from your purchase at the expense of the Irish economy.

If enough people have this attitude it all starts to build up and it begins to have a noticeable effect as more and more money keeps bleeding out of Ireland into Thailand, Irish people start losing their jobs as a result further impacting on the tax income for Ireland, this means less money for the government to spend on paying for the upkeep of the country, meaning you moaning on your way home from Tesco with your cheap Thai chicken as to why there are so many God damn pot-holes in the road.

Son Of A Vidic · 03-11-2011 02:07AM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Northern IRELAND isn't foreign. The clue is in the name.

You took the bait, when you really should have just ignored it.

texidub · 03-11-2011 02:27AM

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

If enough people have this attitude it all starts to build up and it begins to have a noticeable effect as more and more money keeps bleeding out of Ireland into Thailand.

That's the thing though --I don't distinguish between a Thai businessperson and an Irish one. Big world out there and it doesn't matter where they are from, they just want to make a buck.

And, again, the loss of a Thai job is as bad for humanity as the loss of an Irish job. (Indeed, it could be argued that the loss of a job in Thailand is more severe on the individual as their welfare system is less rewarding than ours, but I'm not going to go there...)

I think businesspeople that sell the Buy Irish line are selling pseudopatriotic guff in an attempt to make a buck. And it offends me. They wouldn't turn down the chance to expand their business overseas would they? Or to move operations overseas if it was in their best business interest to do so? It's in the nature of capitalist business. (Not saying I approve. Just calling a spade a spade.)

Pompey Magnus · 03-11-2011 03:13AM

texidub wrote: »

That's the thing though --I don't distinguish between a Thai businessperson and an Irish one. Big world out there and it doesn't matter where they are from, they just want to make a buck.

And, again, the loss of a Thai job is as bad for humanity as the loss of an Irish job. (Indeed, it could be argued that the loss of a job in Thailand is more severe on the individual as their welfare system is less rewarding than ours, but I'm not going to go there...)

I think businesspeople that sell the Buy Irish line are selling pseudopatriotic guff in an attempt to make a buck. And it offends me. They wouldn't turn down the chance to expand their business overseas would they? Or to move operations overseas if it was in their best business interest to do so? It's in the nature of capitalist business. (Not saying I approve. Just calling a spade a spade.)

Well that is fine, but if that is your attitude you relinquish any right to complain about the state of this country and its inadequacies when it comes to the health service, education, infrastructure etc. If you have no interest in supporting the Irish economy then you lose any moral right to complain about the repercussions of your actions.

texidub · 03-11-2011 09:06AM

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

Well that is fine, but if that is your attitude you relinquish any right to complain about the state of this country and its inadequacies when it comes to the health service, education, infrastructure etc. If you have no interest in supporting the Irish economy then you lose any moral right to complain about the repercussions of your actions.

Like I said, guilt tripping and emotional blackmail won't work. I lose any right to complain about the country if I don't buy Irish all the time like a loyal little consumer? The arrogance...

Anyway, it's not as black and white as you are making it out to be. I said I don't distinguish between an Irish businessperson and a foreign one. That is not the same thing as having no interest in the Irish economy: it just means I will not buy Irish just for the sake of it.

I'll say it again: the whole thing is pseudopatriotic guff, perfectly encapsulated by the fact that you care so much about the Irish economy that you've removed yourself to Australia and buy few if any Irish goods at all. lol

Cookie_Monster · 03-11-2011 09:29AM

bamboozle wrote: »

if we want to do more for Irish producers in general then avoiding shopping in Tesco is a good starting point.

Yeah, boycott the largest single buyer of Irish produce in the world, good move :rolleyes:

suicide_circus · 03-11-2011 09:48AM

Keeping as many irish people in gainful employment as possible and as many irish firms running as possible is in my interest because I live in ireland. It will mean a positive impact financially and socially on the place I live in, less people on the dole, more VAT receipts etc.

It has nothings got to do with patriotism, it's just good sense.

How people on this thread do not get this is beyond me. I can only put this level of stupidity down to trolling.

bamboozle · 03-11-2011 09:55AM

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

You get your cheap chicken and the Thai economy benefits a tiny little bit from your purchase at the expense of the Irish economy.

If enough people have this attitude it all starts to build up and it begins to have a noticeable effect as more and more money keeps bleeding out of Ireland into Thailand, Irish people start losing their jobs as a result further impacting on the tax income for Ireland, this means less money for the government to spend on paying for the upkeep of the country, meaning you moaning on your way home from Tesco with your cheap Thai chicken as to why there are so many God damn pot-holes in the road.

there was a report during the summer cant remember it exactly but it was basically that if each irish person/family sent an extra €3 a week on irish products this would result in an extra 8000 jobs being created here.

texidub · 03-11-2011 10:01AM

So it is 'stupid' now not to buy Irish? lol I'm not trolling... an Irish businessperson is no more worthy of my loyalty than a French one. They both just want to make a buck.

So I should buy a Ryanair ticket rather than a Lufthansa ticket? I don't think so. Only if the mix of quality and price is right.

Do you have a problem with French fries too? Should they be renamed Saoirse fries?

You see, if everyone had the buy Irish attitude being displayed on this thread there would be little or no movement of goods across borders at all. If all the world had that attitude, there wouldn't even be cars or television sets in Ireland.

So I pay no heed to the buy Irish brigade... they're just in it for the money and sure half of them would sell your ma to the Egyptians if they got the chance.

Dyr · 03-11-2011 10:01AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Keeping as many irish people in gainful employment as possible and as many irish firms running as possible is in my interest because I live in ireland. It will mean a positive impact financially and socially on the place I live in, less people on the dole, more VAT receipts etc.

It has nothings got to do with patriotism, it's just good sense.

How people on this thread do not get this is beyond me. I can only put this level of stupidity down to trolling.

Patriotism is based on common sense, generally :cool:

listermint · 03-11-2011 10:07AM

texidub wrote: »

Like I said, guilt tripping and emotional blackmail won't work. I lose any right to complain about the country if I don't buy Irish all the time like a loyal little consumer? The arrogance...

Anyway, it's not as black and white as you are making it out to be. I said I don't distinguish between an Irish businessperson and a foreign one. That is not the same thing as having no interest in the Irish economy: it just means I will not buy Irish just for the sake of it.

I'll say it again: the whole thing is pseudopatriotic guff, perfectly encapsulated by the fact that you care so much about the Irish economy that you've removed yourself to Australia and buy few if any Irish goods at all. lol

No mate its actually LOL that you havent got an ounce of economic sense in you at all.

You throw around this crap about patriotic guff, but im pretty sure your doing it just to 'be different'. I have some mates exactly like you. always try to be 'against the grain' and 'ubber opinionated' in the opposite to anything any one else says. You know something they'd probably agree with the stuff your coming out with. The hilarious part is these idiots have no qualms taking dole money out every week. The same Dole money that comes from IRISH taxes.

Keeping Irish people in jobs and making this country a booking economy isn't anything to do with patriotic guff its called common sense. I suggest you go back to school to understand that.

If there was no jobs or money here you wouldnt have your little keyboard to tap a tap on and your by Thai comparision superior broadband.

But alas il let you away inside your sphere that supporting a thai job is in anyway a credible arguement to keeping you in the relatively lavish surroundings that is ireland.

once again clap clap

listermint · 03-11-2011 10:12AM

texidub wrote: »

So it is 'stupid' now not to buy Irish? lol I'm not trolling... an Irish businessperson is no more worthy of my loyalty than a French one. They both just want to make a buck.

So I should buy a Ryanair ticket rather than a Lufthansa ticket? I don't think so. Only if the mix of quality and price is right.

Do you have a problem with French fries too? Should they be renamed Saoirse fries?

You see, if everyone had the buy Irish attitude being displayed on this thread there would be little or no movement of goods across borders at all. If all the world had that attitude, there wouldn't even be cars or television sets in Ireland.

So I pay no heed to the buy Irish brigade... they're just in it for the money and sure half of them would sell your ma to the Egyptians if they got the chance.

Buying local food isnt the same as buying a TV set or a Car, WHICH WE DONT PRODUCE.

Your showing clearly how little you understand economics

texidub · 03-11-2011 10:20AM

listermint, I'm not on the dole. And I'm not trying to be 'different.' I know it'd probably be a huge sin to be different to you, but going by your posts, I can live with that.

If there was no jobs or money here you wouldnt have your little keyboard to tap a tap on and your by Thai comparision superior broadband.

If all the world had your attitude, there wouldn't even be a keyboard in the country for you to use.

If all the world just bought local, I'm pretty sure there wouldn't even be a modern Irish society at all since so much of what we use is imported.

The people talking about economic sense are missing the fact that world economy is global now.

Anyway, my point --lost on folk who need everything presented to them in black and white terms-- is not 'Don't buy irish' it's buy whatever presents the best mix of quality and value that suits your budget.

That approach will result in a mix of Irish and foreign goods... which is what we *all* do anyway, so the whole argument is waffle really and exposes the 'buy Irish' brigade for what they are -- well intentioned, but economically naive pseudopatriotic guff warblers

texidub · 03-11-2011 10:23AM

So, if an Irish company produces product X we should buy it 'just because'?

I just don't see the place for that sort of thinking in a global economy. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

EDIT: So the Buy Irish folks talk about taxes and the long-term consequences of doing so. OK, if you want to play that game: the actual long term consequence of buying Irish is giving money to German and French banks for the bailout. Buying Thai chicken reduces the amount we pay to the French and German banks.. therefore buying Thai chicken is MORE patriotic and makes more economic sense than buying Irish chicken. Can you see hpow silly your position is yet?

Snakeblood · 03-11-2011 10:32AM

texidub wrote: »

So, if an Irish company produces product X we should buy it 'just because'?

I just don't see the place for that sort of thinking in a global economy. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

EDIT: So the Buy Irish folks talk about taxes and the long-term consequences of doing so. OK, if you want to play that game: the actual long term consequence of buying Irish is giving money to German and French banks for the bailout. Buying Thai chicken reduces the amount we pay to the French and German banks.. therefore buying Thai chicken is MORE patriotic and makes more economic sense than buying Irish chicken. Can you see hpow silly your position is yet?

The money still has to be paid to french and german banks whether we buy Thai chicken or not. It'll just take longer and be more expensive with a weaker domestic economy. I don't think you understand your example..

listermint · 03-11-2011 10:35AM

texidub wrote: »

So, if an Irish company produces product X we should buy it 'just because'?

I just don't see the place for that sort of thinking in a global economy. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

EDIT: So the Buy Irish folks talk about taxes and the long-term consequences of doing so. OK, if you want to play that game: the actual long term consequence of buying Irish is giving money to German and French banks for the bailout. Buying Thai chicken reduces the amount we pay to the French and German banks.. therefore buying Thai chicken is MORE patriotic and makes more economic sense than buying Irish chicken. Can you see hpow silly your position is yet?

ROFL

Economics 101 by Texidub

i hope no one joins your class.

Andrew33 · 03-11-2011 10:43AM

I think we should stop feeding Texi-troll.

texidub · 03-11-2011 10:49AM

listermint wrote: »

ROFL

Economics 101 by Texidub

i hope no one joins your class.

I'm not here to teach economics. Which I'll agree is probably just as well

(My point, poorly expressed, was that buying Irish chicken sees *more* money go in taxes to French and German banks (in the form of the bailout) than buying Thai chicken. Yes it is a stupid point, but it's a reflection of where 'Buy Irish' thinking will bring you. In other words, I don't hold that position.. I was just exposing where the logic being used here --buy Irish for better roads(!)-- will bring you.

However, I am here to open up minds like yours to the fact that we --the human race-- are in this together and petty jingoism and nationalism, whether it's based on economics or some other variable is an impediment to our collective progress.

Anyway, there is an historical precedent to draw on --DeV tried economic isolationism and look where THAT got us.. the country was practically ruined! Back to the economics lessons for us both, I reckon

Logical Fallacy · 03-11-2011 11:44AM

texidub wrote: »

So, if an Irish company produces product X we should buy it 'just because'?

I just don't see the place for that sort of thinking in a global economy. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

EDIT: So the Buy Irish folks talk about taxes and the long-term consequences of doing so. OK, if you want to play that game: the actual long term consequence of buying Irish is giving money to German and French banks for the bailout. Buying Thai chicken reduces the amount we pay to the French and German banks.. therefore buying Thai chicken is MORE patriotic and makes more economic sense than buying Irish chicken. Can you see hpow silly your position is yet?

With logic like that you could be in the Department of Finance.

texidub · 03-11-2011 11:52AM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

With logic like that you could be in the Department of Finance.

I agree. It's totally stupid... which is why I used it as an example of where the 'Buy Irish for better roads' logic will get you.

suicide_circus · 03-11-2011 12:45PM

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Robdude · 03-11-2011 12:55PM

I don't like racisim and I don't like nationalism.

I don't believe you should judge a chicken by it's place of birth. I judge each chicken individually, based on it's own merit. Then I purchase the one I feel to be the best.

It's wrong to avoid chicken because of where it comes from. It's wrong to assume all chicken from X are better than all chicken from Y. Don't let hatred and prejudice cloud your judgement.

The only way to get me to by a certain type of chicken is for that certain type of chicken to be the one that I feel is the best. I can only assume that, if 90% of chicken in Ireland is coming from somewhere other than Ireland it is the result of overall quality of chicken in Ireland.

I suggest improving the quality of chicken in Ireland, rather than calling for unjust discrimination against foreign chicken.

Duke Leonal Felmet · 03-11-2011 12:57PM

Robdude wrote: »

I don't like racisim and I don't like nationalism.

I don't believe you should judge a chicken by it's place of birth. I judge each chicken individually, based on it's own merit. Then I purchase the one I feel to be the best.

It's wrong to avoid chicken because of where it comes from. It's wrong to assume all chicken from X are better than all chicken from Y. Don't let hatred and prejudice cloud your judgement.

The only way to get me to by a certain type of chicken is for that certain type of chicken to be the one that I feel is the best. I can only assume that, if 90% of chicken in Ireland is coming from somewhere other than Ireland it is the result of overall quality of chicken in Ireland.

I suggest improving the quality of chicken in Ireland, rather than calling for unjust discrimination against foreign chicken.

Right on, man...

Irish chicken is fresher and better quality - please buy Irish

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