Irish chicken is fresher and better quality - please buy Irish

uberalles

Prog on RTE1 now.

Its possible we may loose all native Chicken suppliers. 90% imported!
There is a program on and a lot of Chicken from abroad (Thailand etc is 1 fifth the price to suppliers) BUT its often 7 days old!

Irish chicken is fresher and better quality - please buy Irish

Cill Dara Abu

Okay Mr. Corrigan

Where To

I don't eat chicken I eat hen.

Kadongy

because when the economy is bad it's important to pay five times the price for things

I usually get Irish chickens. Corn fed chicken is very good.

Vego

I prefer Argentinian chicken ......more flavour

DEFTLEFTHAND

90% imported? That's a shocking statistic for a country with such a large agri sector.

Badgermonkey

where do i go from here wrote: »

I don't eat chicken I eat hen.

Been to Abrakebabara?

Seagull.

strobe

uberalles wrote: »

Prog on RTE1 now.

Its possible we may loose all native Chicken suppliers. 90% imported!
There is a program on and a lot of Chicken from abroad (Thailand etc is 1 fifth the price to suppliers) BUT its often 7 days old!

Irish chicken is fresher and better quality - please buy Irish

How much of this 90% is purchased by individuals in shopping centres and how much is the result of chippers, restaurants, McD's, pre-made sandwich companies, etc though? I'm not sure it's your average man on the street that's the major problem here.

But that's a guess on my part, if anyone is aware of the numbers for chicken sold in supermarkets/butchers, Irish vs imported could they post them up please?

Personally I only ever buy Irish meat when possible. It's bloody lovely, the one thing we are genuinely able to compete with anyone else in the world on.

The King of Moo

I'm totally with you OP.

I always eat Chicken McNuggets in Ireland but I never even go to McDonald's at all when I'm abroad.

Ste_D

uberalles wrote: »

Thailand etc is 1 fifth the price to suppliers]

If chicken can be imported from Thailand for 1/5th the price then its not hard to see why the Irish farmers are not doing well.

Lapin

Down with racism against non national chickens. :mad:

spank_inferno

I'd love to get me some foreign cheaper chicken

All I see on the shelves are "fresh Irish" chicken.

Same goes for the thousands of tonnes of Brazillian & Argetinian beef we import but can never find.

I'm assuming it all comes in from abroad, gets an "irish" sticker put on it and then sold at 200% margin.

laoch na mona

buy irish or get out
also they took er chickens

fran oconnor

spank_inferno wrote: »

I'd love to get me some foreign cheaper chicken

All I see on the shelves are "fresh Irish" chicken.

Same goes for the thousands of tonnes of Brazillian & Argetinian beef we import but can never find.

I'm assuming it all comes in from abroad, gets an "irish" sticker put on it and then sold at 200% margin.

I think they get away with it by saying packed in Ireland. We should buy more irish though, its just a pity that it can't be sold at the same price as foreign ..

Wetai

And of course it'll cost more than any imported variety.

parrai

The problem with buy Irish is that it is a lot of it is too expensive... I am all for supporting the Irish market and local produce, but it needs to be more competitive. I understand that costs are high and all the rest, but I can guarantee ya, if the cost of local produce was cheaper, companies woud make more money in volume sales than screwing people to the wall with their current prices. This country is too expensive on everything...

starbelgrade

parrai wrote: »

The problem with buy Irish is that it is a lot of it is too expensive... I am all for supporting the Irish market and local produce, but it needs to be more competitive. I understand that costs are high and all the rest, but I can guarantee ya, if the cost of local produce was cheaper, companies woud make more money in volume sales than screwing people to the wall with their current prices. This country is too expensive on everything...

Irish food producers can't compete against Asian markets on price. Where they win hands down however, is on quality and a lot of people are willing to pay a bit more for fresh, homegrown, good quality produce.

That's why they survive... but only just in many cases. The main supermarket giants - more than any other factor - control the supply price of produce to the customer & also the profits to the producer... so if you're getting ripped off, it's not by the producer, but by the supermarkets.

And while it's easy to put all the blame on the supermarkets, it's also our own fault for not buying locally, supporting local businesses & handing all our cash over to the supermarket giants who now control most of our spend & most of the country's food production.

smk89

starbelgrade wrote: »

Irish food producers can't compete against Asian markets on price. Where they win hands down however, is on quality and a lot of people are willing to pay a bit more for fresh, homegrown, good quality produce.

No we aren't willing to pay more. We just aren't given a choice. LIDL and tesco both give no options of non Irish chicken.

Sergeant

Battery chicken is a disgusting lump of tasteless protein no matter where in the world it comes from.

admiralofthefleet

not only do i buy only Irish chicken but 99% of my weekly grocery shop is Irish, i buy as little foreign (including N. Ireland) as possible

WoollyRedHat

Will someone please think of the chickens?

number10a

It's them fecking Greeks. Coming over here stealing our jobs and our wimmin.

Cavehill Red

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

not only do i buy only Irish chicken but 99% of my weekly grocery shop is Irish, i buy as little foreign (including N. Ireland) as possible

Northern IRELAND isn't foreign. The clue is in the name.

J_E

As long as it tastes good and is cheap I couldn't care less where it comes from.

saywhatyousee

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

not only do i buy only Irish chicken but 99% of my weekly grocery shop is Irish, i buy as little foreign (including N. Ireland) as possible

I agree the only two country's i buy food from is Ireland and Italy the food from everywhere else is bland tasteless crap the Netherlands and Germany are the worst offenders where ever the import their food from they should stop.

fran oconnor

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

not only do i buy only Irish chicken but 99% of my weekly grocery shop is Irish, i buy as little foreign (including N. Ireland) as possible

And does your shooping bill work out much more than normal??. I'd like to buy Irish more, but sometimes its just to expensive..

admiralofthefleet

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Northern IRELAND isn't foreign. The clue is in the name.

it is. all money spent on tax in the north goes to elizabeth windsor NOT the Irish exchequer

Corsendonk

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

90% imported? That's a shocking statistic for a country with such a large agri sector.

Most of it is sold to the catering trade.

admiralofthefleet

fran oconnor wrote: »

And does your shooping bill work out much more than normal??. I'd like to buy Irish more, but sometimes its just to expensive..

it does but not by much. buying 1 more Irish produced item every week helps keep people in jobs

problemchimp

post no. 30 and nobody has mentioned swans? Have we matured?

PrincessLola

Corsendonk wrote: »

Most of it is sold to the catering trade.

Exactly. There's no point singing the 'Buy Irish' message to the converted (i.e the customers), when it is the businesses who don't give a f*ck.

parrai

starbelgrade wrote: »

Irish food producers can't compete against Asian markets on price. Where they win hands down however, is on quality and a lot of people are willing to pay a bit more for fresh, homegrown, good quality produce.

That's why they survive... but only just in many cases. The main supermarket giants - more than any other factor - control the supply price of produce to the customer & also the profits to the producer... so if you're getting ripped off, it's not by the producer, but by the supermarkets.

And while it's easy to put all the blame on the supermarkets, it's also our own fault for not buying locally, supporting local businesses & handing all our cash over to the supermarket giants who now control most of our spend & most of the country's food production.

I agree 100%, but this is where Ireland has to make a stand... These producers need to get together under a banner of some sort and knock this shyte on the head with supermarkets... There must be government bodies that can help in this area. Like a 'union' if you will, with advertising for the Irish consumer to say 'look, we're here and we're willing to give value' I mean, every town has a market on at some stage during the week, the producers all get together and volumise sales (if there is such a word!!) The supermarkets will keep taking the piss cause they know they can... Something has to give... National radio, local radio, but organising it really is key

fran oconnor

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

it does but not by much. buying 1 more Irish produced item every week helps keep people in jobs

It sure does. Next shop i do i'll try add as many as i can afford.

Cavehill Red

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

it is. all money spent on tax in the north goes to elizabeth windsor NOT the Irish exchequer

And then her government kindly subvents c. £7 billion more back into Ireland, which is nice.
Your tax point is irrelevant in any case, since tax paid on Thai chicken purchased in Ireland goes to the Irish exchequer but the purchase doesn't support Irish farming in the slightest. Purchasing chicken from Ireland, whether the part under British occupation or not, supports Irish farmers and ensures that you get a better, tastier, indigenous product that is fresh and disease-free, raised and prepared under optimal conditions which has travelled the least distance to market.

Pompey Magnus

fran oconnor wrote: »

I think they get away with it by saying packed in Ireland. We should buy more irish though, its just a pity that it can't be sold at the same price as foreign ..

I remember reading a few years ago that they get away with it through the wording, if it is advertised as "Fresh Irish Chicken" then the chicken has to be from Ireland, but if it is advertised as "Irish Fresh Chicken" it can come from anywhere.

admiralofthefleet

Cavehill Red wrote: »

And then her government kindly subvents c. £7 billion more back into Ireland, which is nice.
Your tax point is irrelevant in any case, since tax paid on Thai chicken purchased in Ireland goes to the Irish exchequer but the purchase doesn't support Irish farming in the slightest. Purchasing chicken from Ireland, whether the part under British occupation or not, supports Irish farmers and ensures that you get a better, tastier, indigenous product that is fresh and disease-free, raised and prepared under optimal conditions which has travelled the least distance to market.

7 billion of a loan, that will be re-paid.

as i said the revenue does not dupport Irish farmers at all. it supports british farmers

Corsendonk

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

I remember reading a few years ago that they get away with it through the wording, if it is advertised as "Fresh Irish Chicken" then the chicken has to be from Ireland, but if it is advertised as "Irish Fresh Chicken" it can come from anywhere.

Thats actually changed with the Bord Bia Quality scheme. ROI fresh chicken that has the Bord Bia symbol has the Tricolour on it, NI origin chicken doesn't carry the tricolour on the Bord Bia symbol.

Sergeant

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Purchasing chicken from Ireland, whether the part under British occupation or not, supports Irish farmers and ensures that you get a better, tastier, indigenous product that is fresh and disease-free, raised and prepared under optimal conditions which has travelled the least distance to market.

The vast majority of chicken raised and slaughtered in Ireland are of the intensively produced broiler variety. These are animals that are never see natural daylight, and reach slaughter age at approx 40% of the time that they did 25 years ago. They are specially bred to have larger breasts and smaller legs as we don't tend to eat the legs in Ireland. Many of them are considered fit for slaughter when their legs break. They are fed by machine, and the farmer/operator removes those of them that die before they reach slaughter age.

By contrast, an organic chicken takes about 14 weeks to mature. So conditions in Ireland are almost no better for the chicken than those in Thailand or Vietnam. If you want cheap chicken then you may as well go for the cheapest, as the entire process of raising broilers differs very little in any place in the world.

Cavehill Red

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

7 billion of a loan, that will be re-paid.

Nope, 7 billion of a donation, between the Northern Ireland block grant and security costs, annually. I wasn't talking about Gideon's loan to Dublin.

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

as i said the revenue does not dupport Irish farmers at all. it supports british farmers

No, it supports Irish farmers living under British rule. Check your copy of the Good Friday Agreement.

starbelgrade

smk89 wrote: »

No we aren't willing to pay more. We just aren't given a choice. LIDL and tesco both give no options of non Irish chicken.

I wouldn't know.. I buy all my meat from the local butcher who is supplied by local farms.

Pricewise there's very little difference between his meat & the supermarkets (cheaper on some counts) and the difference in quality is significantly higher.

admiralofthefleet

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Nope, 7 billion of a donation, between the Northern Ireland block grant and security costs, annually. I wasn't talking about Gideon's loan to Dublin.



No, it supports Irish farmers living under British rule. Check your copy of the Good Friday Agreement.

ill have to dig it out. can you show me evidence of northern irish farmers incomes going into our state coffers and not the british coffers, thanks

admiralofthefleet

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Nope, 7 billion of a donation, between the Northern Ireland block grant and security costs, annually. I wasn't talking about Gideon's loan to Dublin.



No, it supports Irish farmers living under British rule. Check your copy of the Good Friday Agreement.

read this. its a loan

D1stant

uberalles wrote: »

Prog on RTE1 now.

Its possible we may loose all native Chicken suppliers. 90% imported!
There is a program on and a lot of Chicken from abroad (Thailand etc is 1 fifth the price to suppliers) BUT its often 7 days old!

Irish chicken is fresher and better quality - please buy Irish

Eh no.

Whilst I do agree that the large chains have an adverse impact on quality and on small producers, Irish chicken is not alll equal. Some of it is 35 days old and sits in its own sh1t and is fed the cheapest crap. Some of it is 70 days old and has good tone from running about.... etc

The produce is not labeled well here. In a market in France I used to shop in they would have a range of chickens from 4 to 15 Euro. Under the price they would have the age of the chicken, its diet and when it was slaughtered. So you knew what you were paying for. Here... well its a little vague at best

To just accept the claim (by disgruntled Irish producers) that Irish chicken is better and fresher is a little naive

Cavehill Red

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

read this. its a loan

Read this instead. I already said I wasn't talking about Gideon's loan.

Cavehill Red

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

ill have to dig it out. can you show me evidence of northern irish farmers incomes going into our state coffers and not the british coffers, thanks

The tax on any Northern Irish, Southern Irish, Thai, French, English or any other chicken sold in the Republic goes to the Republic's exchequer. VAT makes no difference on the basis of chicken nationality.

admiralofthefleet

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Read this instead. I already said I wasn't talking about Gideon's loan.

whats gideons loan?

Cavehill Red

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

whats gideons loan?

The 7 billion loan Gideon Osborne offered Ireland during our recent cap-in-hand manoeuvre to the IMF.

parrai

D1stant wrote: »

Eh no.

Whilst I do agree that the large chains have an adverse impact on quality and on small producers, Irish chicken is not alll equal. Some of it is 35 days old and sits in its own sh1t and is fed the cheapest crap. Some of it is 70 days old and has good tone from running about.... etc

The produce is not labeled well here. In a market in France I used to shop in they would have a range of chickens from 4 to 15 Euro. Under the price they would have the age of the chicken, its diet and when it was slaughtered. So you knew what you were paying for. Here... well its a little vague at best

To just accept the claim (by disgruntled Irish producers) that Irish chicken is better and fresher is a little naive

Agree with most of this, but I think if they could be fair about the price and take over their own distribution, it would be the exact same as France.

admiralofthefleet

Cavehill Red wrote: »

The 7 billion loan Gideon Osborne offered Ireland during our recent cap-in-hand manoeuvre to the IMF.

you mean George osborne, the british finance minister? the man that gave us a 7 billion bilateral loan

Cavehill Red

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

you mean George osborne, the british finance minister? the man that gave us a 7 billion bilateral loan

Yes, he did indeed. His real name's Gideon, actually. As I've said three times now, I was talking about the 7.3 billion annual deficit that Northern Ireland costs the British exchequer, not about Gideon's loan.

admiralofthefleet

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Yes, he did indeed. His real name's Gideon, actually. As I've said three times now, I was talking about the 7.3 billion annual deficit that Northern Ireland costs the British exchequer, not about Gideon's loan.

where have you mentioned that?