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Ban Cheap Booze, says grieving dad...

  • 02-11-2011 09:17AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/ban-cheap-booze-says-grieving-dad-2923079.html

    Now, don't get me wrong, I feel sorry that they've lost a son.

    But, there are other factors. Why not look into why he was suicidal? The suicide rates among young men are astronomical, but there seems to be fúck all done to remedy this.

    I know, I know, it's a touchy subject. But the reasons people are suicidal should be targeted, not just the cause of their death. (Strawman argument warning) Shure, why not ban rivers, if he hadn't been near the river that night, etc etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,403 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Also, ban all shoes that aren't slippy because his friend slipped and fell. Actually, f*ck it, let's ban gravity! if it wasn't for gravity he's have never fell!

    I hate these bullsh*t reactions. The guy was depressed and suicidal. Banning cheap drink isn't going to help anyone. ven after the kid died they're not interested in the causes of his problems. Or in his problems at all!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,968 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    For the lazy like me
    Oh and those on moblies
    HEARTBROKEN father whose son died by suicide after a drink-fuelled night out has called for a ban on the below-cost selling of alcohol.

    David Higgins (21), of Shanahee Heights, Ballina, Co Mayo, drowned in the early hours of March 13 after leaving a house party. He was last seen walking along the Lower Bridge in Ballina at approximately 6.30am.

    His body was discovered 14 days later after an extensive search of the River Moy.

    Earlier, a close friend accidentally slipped and fell into the river while searching for David's body and also drowned.

    On the night of his son's death, John Higgins phoned David at 3am to see where he was and discovered he was on his way to a house party.

    When David did not return, his mother Anne phoned him again at 5am and spoke to him, but when the couple tried phoning him again an hour later David was too upset to talk.

    The worried parents began a frantic search for their son while phoning him on his mobile.

    "David answered but did not speak -- then Anne let out a scream. David had left the phone down by the bridge, and while Anne was on the phone she heard somebody in the background shout, 'He is in the river'," said Mr Higgins.

    The River Moy was at high tide on the night of David's death and the current was running fast -- despite two passing gardai noticing somebody in the river, they could not reach him.

    A major search of the river was conducted, involving the Garda Water Unit, the Coast Guard, the Irish Navy, fisherermen and scores of local volunteers.

    Four days after David went missing, a double tragedy befell the family when Mr Higgins's lifelong friend, Tommy Helly, tragically drowned while searching the river bank.

    "Tommy was an amazing friend and he thought the world of David," Mr Higgins told the Irish Independent.

    David's body was eventually found in four metres of water on March 27, by the Garda Water Unit.

    Speaking to the Irish Independent just days after an inquest into David's death returned a verdict of death by suicide and named alcohol as a contributory factor, Mr Higgins said something should be done to curb the drinking habits of young people.

    Plague

    He is calling for tighter regulation in relation to the cost of alcohol in supermarkets and off-licences.

    He said alcohol had become so cheap it could be purchased with pocket money, and encouraged house parties, which had become a "plague on Irish society".

    "The combination of cheap alcohol and all-night house parties presents a danger for young people. At least in a pub, there is a barman who can tell you if you have had too much, but there is no duty of care at a house party," he said.

    He said the inquest into his son's death did not provide him with any clarity as to what had occurred prior to David's death.

    "Without a doubt, if David had come home that night after the pub he would be alive now."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    Looks like he wants to ban house parties too. Feel sorry for him but the cost of booze has zero to do with suicide.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,062 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    I Couldnt agree more OP... All rivers and water courses should be banned.

    But yeah, in all seriousness, the finger is being pointed in the entirely wrong direction here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 anyone_local


    There's plenty of people who have left pubs and jumped into rivers without going to house parties


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,403 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    There's plenty of people who have left pubs and jumped into rivers without going to house parties

    There are also lots of people who have jumped into rivers without having a drop of alcohol!

    Of course there was probably something else to blame in these cases. Cheap cakes perhaps?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    mikemac wrote: »
    For the lazy like me
    Oh and those on moblies

    Cheers, first time posting a news link, wasn't sure how to do it. :o

    Pisses me somewhat. Oh, suicide? Quick find something to blame.

    Here's a mad idea. Talk to your fúcking children, brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, whatever. If you see there is something up with them, get them the help they need. I know it's not all that easy, and sometimes these things just happen, but there's a reason, not someones/things fault these happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 662 ✭✭✭fran oconnor


    Very sad story, but like people have said already, its easy to put the blame on something else instead of facing the real truth. The chap more than likely had problems, could his father not try to drum up more help for people that are feeling suicidal??.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 anyone_local


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    There's plenty of people who have left pubs and jumped into rivers without going to house parties

    There are also lots of people who have jumped into rivers without having a drop of alcohol!

    Of course there was probably something else to blame in these cases. Cheap cakes perhaps?
    Cheesecake...a silent killer in our community. In all seriousness though the attitude to suicide in this country is disgraceful. Appreciating the work auntie gaybo and the rsa do, the amount of people who commit suicide each year is 2-3 times the rate of road deaths


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/ban-cheap-booze-says-grieving-dad-2923079.html

    Now, don't get me wrong, I feel sorry that they've lost a son.

    But, there are other factors. Why not look into why he was suicidal? The suicide rates among young men are astronomical, but there seems to be fúck all done to remedy this.

    I know, I know, it's a touchy subject. But the reasons people are suicidal should be targeted, not just the cause of their death. (Strawman argument warning) Shure, why not ban rivers, if he hadn't been near the river that night, etc etc.


    Agree.

    It's the easy, and lazy option to just demonise the stimulus of the moment whether it be alcohol, violent films, violent video games etc etc. instead of confronting and tackling the uncomfortable societal reasons why a young person feels they have no options other than to take their own life.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭mawk


    His dad isn't a publican is he?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    I feel sorry for that man and his son must have been very distraught if he took his own life. It must be a truly horrible experience for all involved/


    I can see some ambitious knob-end of a politician maybe trying to run with this idea of making everyone pay more for drink, increasing the tax take and exploiting a tragedy for their own C.V.

    Just ban water.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 789 ✭✭✭The Internet Explorer


    A truly tragic story.


    EDUCATION.

    EDUCATION.


    EDUCATION.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,968 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    If the guy watched a dark film and did this after the cinema the father would blame the film.
    When I was a young lad Mortal Kombat was to blame for violence.

    And here we are, families don't talk and the father is hurt so is finding every possible input except the one that the family didn't solve this by talking
    He said alcohol had become so cheap it could be purchased with pocket money, and encouraged house parties, which had become a "plague on Irish society".

    Alan Shatter probably looking at this and will bring in legislation and liability for the householder of parties :eek:
    "The combination of cheap alcohol and all-night house parties presents a danger for young people.

    Suicide was always an issue in Ireland, one rarely discussed though.
    Before alcohol was dirt cheap in supermarkets there was a man in every area who made poitín.
    Having said that poitín wasn't dirt cheap either, it was about six punts a bottle


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,016 ✭✭✭Plazaman


    ...and named alcohol as a contributory factor.

    Oh handy dandy, let's not bother to investigate the sequence of events in the poor lads life in the days or weeks in the run up to his death. The tar all with one brush will do. He was out drinking must be alcohol.

    It seems the fact his parents were worried enough about him to ring him at 3am, 5am and 6am seems to be conveniently overlooked so they must have had noticed something (not placing blame on them but I'm not looking to ban parents either).

    We're losing a generation of our young people to suicide with not a jot being done about it. Sickening.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭newmug


    Ah FFS people, his Dad does have a point. Like it or not, alcohol IS a depressant! If you are depressed, or prone to depression, its a big no-no. At the very least, it should be restricted to people who fit into that category.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,309 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    There's plenty of people who have left pubs and jumped into rivers without going to house parties
    Exactly, the extra cost of the drink in the pub didn't prevent them from doing it either.

    This country is turning very like the US when some thing goes wrong blame someone else :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭Crazy Horse 6


    Feel very sorry for the man but absolutely no reason to ban cheap booze.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    newmug wrote: »
    Ah FFS people, his Dad does have a point. Like it or not, alcohol IS a depressant! If you are depressed, or prone to depression, its a big no-no. At the very least, it should be restricted to people who fit into that category.

    That's the key here.

    They're not putting any cause to the fact that he may have been prone to depression. No, it's the booze. :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    newmug wrote: »
    Ah FFS people, his Dad does have a point. Like it or not, alcohol IS a depressant! If you are depressed, or prone to depression, its a big no-no. At the very least, it should be restricted to people who fit into that category.

    What, like in order to buy booze you have to have a special happy card or be wearing a hawaiian shirt?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,403 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    newmug wrote: »
    Ah FFS people, his Dad does have a point. Like it or not, alcohol IS a depressant! If you are depressed, or prone to depression, its a big no-no. At the very least, it should be restricted to people who fit into that category.

    He's not looking at the big picture though. He should be talking about the causes of his son's suicide rather than alcohol!

    If you honestly think the rest of us adults shouldn't be allowed to drink cheap alcohol just because this clown isn't smart enough to realise his son had underlying problems then you're off the head!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,309 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    newmug wrote: »
    At the very least, it should be restricted to people who fit into that category.
    How exactly do you suggest that would work? If a depressed man goes into a pub or supermarket how will the publican or retailer know that he suffers from depression?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    newmug wrote: »
    At the very least, it should be restricted to people who fit into that category.

    Can you imagine trying to set up such a system?



    We need less rules and regulations in this country not more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,403 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    What, like in order to buy booze you have to have a special happy card or be wearing a hawaiian shirt?

    "Barkeep, i've had a bad day. I had to work late so I missed the football. Pour me a stiff one"

    - "Whoa whoa whoa...... you're slightly unhappy? How am I supposed to know you won't f*ck yourself in the river? No drink for you Doctor Depresso!!"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    "Barkeep, i've had a bad day. I had to work late so I missed the football. Pour me a stiff one"

    - "Whoa whoa whoa...... you're slightly unhappy? How am I supposed to know you won't f*ck yourself in the river? No drink for you Doctor Depresso!!"

    easily sorted by a law stating every pub must have a puppy. you would never see a barfight again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Also, ban all shoes that aren't slippy because his friend slipped and fell. Actually, f*ck it, let's ban gravity! if it wasn't for gravity he's have never fell!

    I hate these bullsh*t reactions. The guy was depressed and suicidal. Banning cheap drink isn't going to help anyone. ven after the kid died they're not interested in the causes of his problems. Or in his problems at all!

    Jesus. I hope it always keeps fine for you my friend. As you're an impulsive twenty-something I suppose we'll have to cut you some slack. A "bull$h!t reaction" (your own phraseology) from a devastated and grieving parent??? You cannot even begin to comprehend what is going through that man's mind.

    He is probably right. Alcohol HAS become far too cheap. No two ways about it. Was it responsible for that poor chap's death? Hard to tell.

    But I really wish that posters would consider their statements - especially in the case of a traumatic death - before posting them on ANY forum.

    It is truly disgusting IMHO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    easily sorted by a law stating every pub must have a puppy. you would never see a barfight again.

    Two puppies! We can have dogfights instead!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    Cheers, first time posting a news link, wasn't sure how to do it. :o

    Pisses me somewhat. Oh, suicide? Quick find something to blame.

    Here's a mad idea. Talk to your fúcking children, brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, whatever. If you see there is something up with them, get them the help they need. I know it's not all that easy, and sometimes these things just happen, but there's a reason, not someones/things fault these happen.

    Fcuk. Now we're all psychologists as well? This thread should be locked. The sentiments being posted about that misfortunate parent are truly appalling.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 662 ✭✭✭fran oconnor


    Snakeblood wrote: »
    Two puppies! We can have dogfights instead!
    I'd rather see the drunk twats beat the crap out of each other..


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    He's not looking at the big picture though. He should be talking about the causes of his son's suicide rather than alcohol!

    If you honestly think the rest of us adults shouldn't be allowed to drink cheap alcohol just because this clown isn't smart enough to realise his son had underlying problems then you're off the head!

    FFS will you give it a rest.


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