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Ban Cheap Booze, says grieving dad...

Sofiztikated

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/ban-cheap-booze-says-grieving-dad-2923079.html

Now, don't get me wrong, I feel sorry that they've lost a son.

But, there are other factors. Why not look into why he was suicidal? The suicide rates among young men are astronomical, but there seems to be fúck all done to remedy this.

I know, I know, it's a touchy subject. But the reasons people are suicidal should be targeted, not just the cause of their death. (Strawman argument warning) Shure, why not ban rivers, if he hadn't been near the river that night, etc etc.

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MrStuffins

Freddie59 wrote: »

How can ANYONE know why he really did this. And as I've said, you cannot even imagine what this man is going through. Has anyone close to YOU committed suicide?

I know what the man is going through. It would be healthier for him to find the actual causes of his son's suicide rather than blaming something arbitrary.

No you didn't. Full stop.

Yes I did. You just disagree with what I said. Your arrogance in thinking you can speak for me is ridiculous.

Less sensitive? Maybe you need to be a little more sensitive and develop an appreciation of the subject at hand.

The subject at hand is a father blaming cheap alcohol on suicide. It's not true. Cheap alcohol is not a cause of suicide. His theory is bullsh*t.

Compassion gives me the right. What gives you the right to castigate this man? Because there are pi$$heads out there who think alcohol is the be all and end all, it is to be defended at all costs?

Nope. it's nothing to do with pissheads. it's to do with what's sensible. You can't just ban cheap alcohol because one man wrongly blamed it on his son's suicide.

Think before you post. And consider what those parents are going through. And pray that it will never ever happen to you or yours.

I am considering what the parents are going through. It must be terrible.

it still doesn't mean his theory that drink drove his son to suicide is right. there was an underlying problem that he is completely ignoring.

Sofiztikated

See, this is why we can't have nice things. Quit ****ing bickering.

Freddie59

MrStuffins wrote: »

It's very possible that if he was willing/able to recognise that his son had a problem, he could've done something about it. Maybe his son would still be alive? Maybe?

However, he didn't. And even after his son threw himself in a river he refused to look any deeper than "It was the drink's fault". It's ridiculous thinking IMO.

How do YOU know this? And feel qualified to comment on it?????

Freddie59

Sofiztikated wrote: »

What sentiments have I posted about the parent?

I'm sorry for his parents, I truly am. What I'm saying is suicide needs to be dealt with, and talked about. And not behind peoples backs.

Surpress it all you want, the only way we are going to deal with the suicide issue is to actually talk about it.

The sentiments. Talk yes - castigate this misfortunate person in defence of alcohol? No.

Snakeblood

sensibleken wrote: »

I would set your balls on fire if you started a dog fight.

No no, I'm quite seriously saying we should get two puppies in a room and let them fight it out as god intended.

fran oconnor

MrStuffins wrote: »

He's not looking at the big picture though. He should be talking about the causes of his son's suicide rather than alcohol!

If you honestly think the rest of us adults shouldn't be allowed to drink cheap alcohol just because this clown isn't smart enough to realise his son had underlying problems then you're off the head!

TBF, its not that easy to just find out whats wrong, sometimes people in these suicidal situations give very little away. I think calling his father a clown after the loss of his son is a little bit low tbh.

Freddie59

MrStuffins wrote: »

it IS a bull**** reaction. This guy, while grieving, knows quite well that people don't just get drunk and deside to throw themselves in the river. He really should be looking at why his son REALLY did this and not trying to ban trivial things so he'll feel a little better.

How can ANYONE know why he really did this. And as I've said, you cannot even imagine what this man is going through. Has anyone close to YOU committed suicide?

MrStuffins wrote: »

I DID consider it. it's a bullsh*t reaction.

No you didn't. Full stop.

MrStuffins wrote: »

You need to be less sensitive IMO.

Less sensitive? Maybe you need to be a little more sensitive and develop an appreciation of the subject at hand.

MrStuffins wrote: »

Bit of an over reaction. You don;t like it so think everybody else should be stopped from discussing it? What gives you the right?

Compassion gives me the right. What gives you the right to castigate this man? Because there are pi$$heads out there who think alcohol is the be all and end all, it is to be defended at all costs?

Think before you post. And consider what those parents are going through. And pray that it will never ever happen to you or yours.

MrStuffins

Sam Kade wrote: »

Yes I agree. But I was referring to the poster that said his father should have known beforehand that his son was suicidal.

Really? Can you show me where this was said?

Sofiztikated

Freddie59 wrote: »

Fcuk. Now we're all psychologists as well? This thread should be locked. The sentiments being posted about that misfortunate parent are truly appalling.

What sentiments have I posted about the parent?

I'm sorry for his parents, I truly am. What I'm saying is suicide needs to be dealt with, and talked about. And not behind peoples backs.

Surpress it all you want, the only way we are going to deal with the suicide issue is to actually talk about it.

sensibleken

just an observation here. If this poor kid was a celbrity, radio presenter or even a traitorous former finance minister, nobody would be able to say anything critical or anything other than a respectful RIP without being carded.

Sam Kade

MrStuffins wrote: »

As do I.

But did they go ahead then and blame something trivial? Or did they look into the causes of the suicide?

Yes I agree. But I was referring to the poster that said his father should have known beforehand that his son was suicidal.

MrStuffins

Sam Kade wrote: »

Yes I agree with you. What he posted is BS. I know of people that committed suicide and no one around them had any idea that there was anything wrong with them.

As do I.

But did they go ahead then and blame something trivial? Or did they look into the causes of the suicide?

MrStuffins

Freddie59 wrote: »

FFS will you give it a rest.

It's very possible that if he was willing/able to recognise that his son had a problem, he could've done something about it. Maybe his son would still be alive? Maybe?

However, he didn't. And even after his son threw himself in a river he refused to look any deeper than "It was the drink's fault". It's ridiculous thinking IMO.

sensibleken

Snakeblood wrote: »

Two puppies! We can have dogfights instead!

I would set your balls on fire if you started a dog fight.

Sam Kade

Freddie59 wrote: »

Fcuk. Now we're all psychologists as well? This thread should be locked. The sentiments being posted about that misfortunate parent are truly appalling.

Yes I agree with you. What he posted is BS. I know of people that committed suicide and no one around them had any idea that there was anything wrong with them.

MrStuffins

Freddie59 wrote: »

Jesus. I hope it always keeps fine for you my friend. As you're an impulsive twenty-something I suppose we'll have to cut you some slack. A "bull$h!t reaction" (your own phraseology) from a devastated and grieving parent??? You cannot even begin to comprehend what is going through that man's mind.

it IS a bull**** reaction. This guy, while grieving, knows quite well that people don't just get drunk and deside to throw themselves in the river. He really should be looking at why his son REALLY did this and not trying to ban trivial things so he'll feel a little better.

But I really wish that posters would consider their statements - especially in the case of a traumatic death - before posting them on ANY forum.

I DID consider it. it's a bullsh*t reaction.

It is truly disgusting IMHO.

You need to be less sensitive IMO.

Freddie59 wrote: »

Fcuk. Now we're all psychologists as well? This thread should be locked. The sentiments being posted about that misfortunate parent are truly appalling.

Bit of an over reaction. You don;t like it so think everybody else should be stopped from discussing it? What gives you the right?

Freddie59

MrStuffins wrote: »

He's not looking at the big picture though. He should be talking about the causes of his son's suicide rather than alcohol!

If you honestly think the rest of us adults shouldn't be allowed to drink cheap alcohol just because this clown isn't smart enough to realise his son had underlying problems then you're off the head!

FFS will you give it a rest.

fran oconnor

Snakeblood wrote: »

Two puppies! We can have dogfights instead!

I'd rather see the drunk twats beat the crap out of each other..

Freddie59

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Cheers, first time posting a news link, wasn't sure how to do it.

Pisses me somewhat. Oh, suicide? Quick find something to blame.

Here's a mad idea. Talk to your fúcking children, brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, whatever. If you see there is something up with them, get them the help they need. I know it's not all that easy, and sometimes these things just happen, but there's a reason, not someones/things fault these happen.

Fcuk. Now we're all psychologists as well? This thread should be locked. The sentiments being posted about that misfortunate parent are truly appalling.

Snakeblood

sensibleken wrote: »

easily sorted by a law stating every pub must have a puppy. you would never see a barfight again.

Two puppies! We can have dogfights instead!

Freddie59

MrStuffins wrote: »

Also, ban all shoes that aren't slippy because his friend slipped and fell. Actually, f*ck it, let's ban gravity! if it wasn't for gravity he's have never fell!

I hate these bullsh*t reactions. The guy was depressed and suicidal. Banning cheap drink isn't going to help anyone. ven after the kid died they're not interested in the causes of his problems. Or in his problems at all!

Jesus. I hope it always keeps fine for you my friend. As you're an impulsive twenty-something I suppose we'll have to cut you some slack. A "bull$h!t reaction" (your own phraseology) from a devastated and grieving parent??? You cannot even begin to comprehend what is going through that man's mind.

He is probably right. Alcohol HAS become far too cheap. No two ways about it. Was it responsible for that poor chap's death? Hard to tell.

But I really wish that posters would consider their statements - especially in the case of a traumatic death - before posting them on ANY forum.

It is truly disgusting IMHO.

sensibleken

MrStuffins wrote: »

"Barkeep, i've had a bad day. I had to work late so I missed the football. Pour me a stiff one"

- "Whoa whoa whoa...... you're slightly unhappy? How am I supposed to know you won't f*ck yourself in the river? No drink for you Doctor Depresso!!"

easily sorted by a law stating every pub must have a puppy. you would never see a barfight again.

MrStuffins

sensibleken wrote: »

What, like in order to buy booze you have to have a special happy card or be wearing a hawaiian shirt?

"Barkeep, i've had a bad day. I had to work late so I missed the football. Pour me a stiff one"

- "Whoa whoa whoa...... you're slightly unhappy? How am I supposed to know you won't f*ck yourself in the river? No drink for you Doctor Depresso!!"

Chuck Stone

newmug wrote: »

At the very least, it should be restricted to people who fit into that category.

Can you imagine trying to set up such a system?

We need less rules and regulations in this country not more.

Sam Kade

newmug wrote: »

At the very least, it should be restricted to people who fit into that category.

How exactly do you suggest that would work? If a depressed man goes into a pub or supermarket how will the publican or retailer know that he suffers from depression?

MrStuffins

newmug wrote: »

Ah FFS people, his Dad does have a point. Like it or not, alcohol IS a depressant! If you are depressed, or prone to depression, its a big no-no. At the very least, it should be restricted to people who fit into that category.

He's not looking at the big picture though. He should be talking about the causes of his son's suicide rather than alcohol!

If you honestly think the rest of us adults shouldn't be allowed to drink cheap alcohol just because this clown isn't smart enough to realise his son had underlying problems then you're off the head!

sensibleken

newmug wrote: »

Ah FFS people, his Dad does have a point. Like it or not, alcohol IS a depressant! If you are depressed, or prone to depression, its a big no-no. At the very least, it should be restricted to people who fit into that category.

What, like in order to buy booze you have to have a special happy card or be wearing a hawaiian shirt?

Sofiztikated

newmug wrote: »

Ah FFS people, his Dad does have a point. Like it or not, alcohol IS a depressant! If you are depressed, or prone to depression, its a big no-no. At the very least, it should be restricted to people who fit into that category.

That's the key here.

They're not putting any cause to the fact that he may have been prone to depression. No, it's the booze. :rolleyes:

Crazy Horse 6

Feel very sorry for the man but absolutely no reason to ban cheap booze.

Sam Kade

anyone_local wrote: »

There's plenty of people who have left pubs and jumped into rivers without going to house parties

Exactly, the extra cost of the drink in the pub didn't prevent them from doing it either.

This country is turning very like the US when some thing goes wrong blame someone else :rolleyes: