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what did john terry say?

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  • #272
    MUSEIST
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,258 ✭✭✭MUSEIST


    joe123 wrote: »
    Dont ever try and defend racism.

    How are my defending racism, racism is unacceptable, simple as that.

    But calling someone a black cnut is not always racist, in the same way people get calle fat cnut or bald cnut or tall cnut or lanky cnut ( in my personal case). Its an abusive term, it does not always have to have racist conetations


  • #273
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    MUSEIST wrote: »
    How are my defending racism, racism is unacceptable, simple as that.

    But calling someone a black cnut is not always racist, in the same way people get calle fat cnut or bald cnut or tall cnut or lanky cnut ( in my personal case). Its an abusive term, it does not always have to have racist conetations

    Sure


  • #274
    thegen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭thegen


    MUSEIST wrote: »
    To be fair, calling someone a black cnut is hardly crime of the century. If he used the n word then that would have gone too far but during handbags like the terry ferdinand incident all sorts of stuff is said from both sides but of course the hypersensitive press jump on it immediately and suddenly it becomes a disgusting racism row.
    I don't think it's OK even in the heat of the moment if it's proven, but that's not what I was commenting on, it was the show of solidarity for JT by the travelling "fans"


  • #275
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    MUSEIST wrote: »
    How are my defending racism, racism is unacceptable, simple as that.

    But calling someone a black cnut is not always racist, in the same way people get calle fat cnut or bald cnut or tall cnut or lanky cnut ( in my personal case). Its an abusive term, it does not always have to have racist conetations
    Of course it doesnt, the word black before the word cnut has no racist connotation. Where did you read that, in the headhunters annual?:rolleyes:


  • #276
    MUSEIST
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    thegen wrote: »
    I don't think it's OK even in the heat of the moment if it's proven, but that's not what I was commenting on, it was the show of solidarity for JT by the travelling "fans"

    I never siad it was ok even in the heat of the moment but people tend to blow things out of porportion and a heat of the moment comment suddendly becomes a massive racist slur which it clearly is not.


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  • #277
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    MUSEIST wrote: »
    I never siad it was ok even in the heat of the moment but people tend to blow things out of porportion and a heat of the moment comment suddendly becomes a massive racist slur which it clearly is not.
    Why is it clearly not? I strongly advice you to put down the shovel


  • #278
    MUSEIST
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    michael999999 wrote: »
    Of course it doesnt, the word black before the word cnut has no racist connotation. Where did you read that, in the headhunters annual?:rolleyes:

    But surely by definition a racist term has to be derogatory or discriminatory to a race. Black is an adjective and I don't automatically assume it was meant in a racist way unless anoother racist term is used in tandem. Its a simple logical conclusion


  • #279
    BERBA
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    MUSEIST wrote: »
    I never siad it was ok even in the heat of the moment but people tend to blow things out of porportion and a heat of the moment comment suddendly becomes a massive racist slur which it clearly is not.

    Theres heat of the moment and a John Terry heat of the moment!!!

    How are you defending racism?


  • #280
    MUSEIST
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    BERBA wrote: »
    Theres heat of the moment and a John Terry heat of the moment!!!

    How are you defending racism?

    again, not defending racism. Just putting the alleged term used into greater perspective


  • #281
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    MUSEIST wrote: »
    But surely by definition a racist term has to be derogatory or discriminatory to a race. Black is an adjective and I don't automatically assume it was meant in a racist way unless anoother racist term is used in tandem. Its a simple logical conclusion
    You dont consider being called a "black C**t" derogatory?

    Seriously?

    Really like? :o


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  • #282
    MUSEIST
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    michael999999 wrote: »
    You dont consider being called a "black C**t" derogatory?

    Seriously?

    Really like? :o

    Its derogatory but not in all cases a racial remark. Obviously in some cases it clearly is racial but just because its used does not mean its related to racism. Its still an unacceptable term as is any use of the word cnut by a pro footballer with kids watching on.


  • #283
    BERBA
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    MUSEIST wrote: »
    Its still an unacceptable term as is any use of the word cnut by a pro footballer with kids watching on.

    In that case then should the book be thrown at him?


  • #284
    MUSEIST
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    BERBA wrote: »
    In that case then should the book be thrown at him?

    I agree, and ferdinand for his derogatory language towards terry when abusing his family life.


  • #285
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    MUSEIST wrote: »
    I agree, and ferdinand for his derogatory language towards terry when abusing his family life.

    :D

    Good one!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #286
    tommyhaas
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    MUSEIST wrote: »
    I agree, and ferdinand for his derogatory language towards terry when abusing his family life.

    I see absolutely no problem with any abuse Terry gets for what he done on Wayne Bridge. He deserves every bit of it


  • #287
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    tommyhaas wrote: »
    I see absolutely no problem with any abuse Terry gets for what he done on Wayne Bridge. He deserves every bit of it

    Well you could also say that Ferdinand is black and he probaly is a ****. Terry had to know he couldn't get away with it though, he really is thick.


  • #288
    MUSEIST
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    Well you could also say that Ferdinand is black and he probaly is a ****. Terry had to know he couldn't get away with it though, he really is thick.

    Alternatively terry may actually be telling the truth about the context of what he said.



    Oh wait no, he is a arsehole and is clearly lying, him and suarez are both guilty, no investigation or proof needed. Sure just look at the heads on the pair, clear racists. end of story <
    example of hyperbole


  • #289
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    MUSEIST wrote: »
    Alternatively terry may actually be telling the truth about the context of what he said.



    Oh wait no, he is a arsehole and is clearly lying, him and suarez are both guilty, no investigation or proof needed. Sure just look at the heads on the pair, clear racists. end of story <
    example of hyperbole

    I was actually defending you, I do think Terry said what he said, I just think calling someone a nagger is 100 times worse than calling someone a black ****. Suarez has no case to answer.


  • #290
    tommyhaas
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    Well you could also say that Ferdinand is black and he probaly is a ****. Terry had to know he couldn't get away with it though, he really is thick.

    Why is the colour of the lads skin even relevant? His behaviour certainly is, but his skin colour?


  • #291
    Dodd
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    tommyhaas wrote: »
    I see absolutely no problem with any abuse Terry gets for what he done on Wayne Bridge. He deserves every bit of it
    I think no one should get abuse on the pitch full stop no mater what they did in their private life or what race they are.
    But if some one is going to be a footballer they need to be able to take some abuse because it will happen.


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  • #292
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    tommyhaas wrote: »
    Why is the colour of the lads skin even relevant? His behaviour certainly is, but his skin colour?

    If a black player called a white player a white **** would it be an issue, we all know it's wrong if Terry called him a black ****. I just think everyone is jumping on the bandwagon making out their horrified by these comments.


  • #293
    monkey9
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    MUSEIST wrote: »
    I agree, and ferdinand for his derogatory language towards terry when abusing his family life.

    Not on the same level, really!!!

    Ferdinand happened to be born with dark skin.

    Terry decided to f*ck his teammates girlfriend.

    Superb Captaincy, right there!! :rolleyes:

    Good oul JT. Only he can divide a squad on a consistent basis!!:rolleyes:


  • #294
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    MUSEIST wrote: »
    Alternatively terry may actually be telling the truth about the context of what he said.



    Oh wait no, he is a arsehole and is clearly lying, him and suarez are both guilty, no investigation or proof needed. Sure just look at the heads on the pair, clear racists. end of story <
    example of hyperbole
    No need to bring Suarez into this.

    John terry has been caught calling Ferdinand a black c**t. Some wonderful chelsea fans then decided to abuse Ferdinand from the stands tonight. Following in the footsteps of there wonderful captain!

    You didnt hear Evra being abused by Liverpool fans at the weekend did you?


  • #295
    tommyhaas
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    If a black player called a white player a white **** would it be an issue, we all know it's wrong if Terry called him a black ****. I just think everyone is jumping on the bandwagon making out their horrified by these comments.

    I never claimed to be horrified by them, just that it was a stupid thing to say. Didn't that nice El Hadj Diouf get in bother for calling an Everton ball boy 'Vanilla' or something

    My point is, I don't see how the colour of his skin is relevant, or why it is brought up other then in a descriptive sense


  • #296
    monkey9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭monkey9


    Jesus Christ lads!! Would you even look up the 'Racism for Dummies' ****!! This is getting on the same level as 'being called a ginger' is the same as being called a 'n!gger'


  • #297
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    monkey9 wrote: »
    Jesus Christ lads!! Would you even look up the 'Racism for Dummies' ****!! This is getting on the same level as 'being called a ginger' is the same as being called a 'n!gger'

    Yes but do you think black **** is on the same level as n!gger.


  • #298
    YouTookMyName
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭YouTookMyName


    Any videos or have the premier league copyrighted them all?


  • #299
    BERBA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,299 ✭✭✭BERBA


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Yes but do you think black **** is on the same level as n!gger.

    YES:rolleyes:


  • #300
    PARlance
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,071 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Is John Terry a racist?
    Probably not (I think it would have come out sooner in his career if so)

    Is John Terry extremely stupid?
    Yes


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  • #301
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    tommyhaas wrote: »
    I never claimed to be horrified by them, just that it was a stupid thing to say. Didn't that nice El Hadj Diouf get in bother for calling an Everton ball boy 'Vanilla' or something

    My point is, I don't see how the colour of his skin is relevant, or why it is brought up other then in a descriptive sense

    Don't know about diouf I never heard that, I though he slapped him or something. Maybe your not horrified but the media and some people are acting like he was touching kids or something, I'm not defending Terry in any way, he really is thick if this is true.


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