what did john terry say?

amiable

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Terry to wear a "Why always me?" shirt tomorrow?

Why does Terry always blame someone else?

tim_holsters

amiable wrote: »

Did I? I don't think so.

You said he wouldn't do anything bad to a team mate.

I showed you he would and could and has.

That is all. I never claimed that's grounds for him being a racist.

Why would a player on over 100k per week accept 10k cash to give a private tour?
Why would Terry park in disabled parking spots?
Terry has a habit of doing stupid things it seems.

Again this doesn't prove he's a racist.
I hope he isn't actually and i hope it gets sorted sooner?

The game could do without this press

You are being 100% untruthful there. I never said any such thing. If I did why don't you go ahead and quote me?

As for Terry's past misdemeanors why bring them up? Wow so it's got nothing to do with him being a racist or not :rolleyes:

amiable

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Terry to wear a "Why always me?" shirt tomorrow?

amiable

tim_holsters wrote: »

You are being 100% untruthful there. I never said any such thing. If I did why don't you go ahead and quote me?

As for Terry's past misdemeanors why bring them up? Wow so it's got nothing to do with him being a racist or not :rolleyes:

You implied it.
As for the rolling eyes, i do believe specsavers is open on saturdays
i brought up the other stuff to show Terry does silly stuff. It's not that difficult to understand why

tim_holsters

amiable wrote: »

You implied it.
As for the rolling eyes, i do believe specsavers is open on saturdays
i brought up the other stuff to show Terry does silly stuff. It's not that difficult to understand why

It's you who needs the glasses. You lied. Simple as that really. Quote where I made the implication that Terry wouldn't do anything bad to a team mate.

And as for you bringing up the other stuff you're right it's not that difficult to understand why you did it.

amiable

tim_holsters wrote: »

It's you who needs the glasses. You lied. Simple as that really. Quote where I made the implication that Terry wouldn't do anything bad to a team mate.

And as for you bringing up the other stuff you're right it's not that difficult to understand why you did it.

I will quote it as soon as you quote me where i implied Terry is a racist:D

tim_holsters

Oh let's call it quits then

amiable

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/oct/28/arsene-wenger-john-terry-race?CMP=twt_gu

John Terry has found an unlikely ally in Arsène Wenger as he battles to clear his name in the wake of the race-row confrontation with Anton Ferdinand.
Terry was caught on video appearing to shout a racial insult at Ferdinand during Chelsea's defeat at Queens Park Rangers last Sunday, which he has claimed was prompted by a misunderstanding. The QPR defender does not see it that way and, when he was visited by investigators from the Football Association at his club's training ground on Friday, he maintained that he wanted answers and a resolution to the affair. QPR have already made a complaint to the FA.
Terry was also interviewed by the FA on Friday and has readily co-operated as he is desperate to draw a swift line under the affair.
Wenger, whose Arsenal side visit Stamford Bridge on Saturday, said that he would want anybody found guilty of racial abuse to be punished, and that included Terry, who stands to lose the England captaincy if the FA were to find against him. Wenger knows that there are lines that cannot be crossed. But Wenger offered mitigation when he urged people to see the broader picture, which was that the football pitch is a highly charged environment in which grievous insults have long been commonplace. The heat of the moment had to be considered.
"There's a real debate about how much credit you can give to something that is said on the pitch in a passionate situation," Wenger said. "How deep do you read? If you have played football, you have said something to your friends sometimes 'You are an idiot' but you do not really think that he's an idiot. In a passionate situation inside the game, [it] doesn't mean that you can say anything but … What I mean is you are not always politically correct on the football pitch.
"I don't know what he [Terry] said and what's happening. I just feel sometimes that what's happening on the pitch is not always politically correct. It doesn't excuse it. But the debate is ... do you want every player to be followed by a camera? And analysed, completely, what he said after the game? That's what we should do, then?"
Wenger broadened the discussion to include all forms of abuse, from which he himself has suffered. "Yes, there is an issue [with the Terry-Ferdinand situation] but there is an issue of all kinds of abuse," he said. "I've worked for 15 years in England and I have been abused how many times? And that doesn't shock anybody. The media has a part to play as well.
"It is not only about racism. Any abuse. And what is done about this? Nothing. I would like to see people sitting on the seat [in the dugout] for one day and hear what people chant. You know it's completely wrong. It's the same as racism. For me it's racism anyway."
Neil Warnock, the QPR manager, agreed racism was not the only issue in terms of abuse. "The hatred that comes to managers now, around dugouts and getting out of buses … if you look in the eyes of fans, there is so much hatred about," he said. "It's frightening for kids. You bring them to matches and see that hatred. I was quite worried getting my crisps, bread and skimmed milk after the game last Sunday in the garage. I thought one guy was having a joke but he wasn't. We had to move quickly. He was a Chelsea fan."
Ferdinand spent two hours with the FA investigators and both he and the FA will submit formal reports next week. The situation is delicate, to say the least, and the onus would appear to be on the FA, which has reportedly asked Sky for footage from 20 cameras as part of its investigation. "There's nothing we can do," Warnock said. "The FA have made it quite clear they don't expect us to make statements and quite rightly so. Anton's stressed what he feels and we have to let that continue.
"Some things you cannot do overnight. The English justice system has to be adhered to ... it gives everyone an opportunity. Eventually, you get a decision from the higher bodies; in this case, the FA. And you abide by whatever decision they come up with. I'm sure the powers that be will come up with a decision when they have spoken to all the witnesses. Anton has spoken about the situation. With me and the FA."
Warnock said he had no thought of omitting Ferdinand from his squad that plays at Tottenham Hotspur and André Villas-Boas, the Chelsea manager, was equally categoric about Terry's selection against Arsenal.
"There is no separation," Villas-Boas said, when asked whether the issue had created rifts in the dressing room. "All of the players have been quiet about it because we know what happened. Nothing happened, so there is nothing to discuss about it."
Terry has shown the capacity in the past to put off-field issues behind him when he plays. And Wenger is worried that he will do so again. "You have some players who cannot focus any more and some, for whom playing is a good opportunity to forget about off-the-pitch problems," Wenger said. "I have had both types. I would place Terry in the second category, unfortunately."

tim_holsters

I don't like Chelsea and I don't like Terry but do I think he's a racist? No! Christ I've been singing anti-Chelsea songs since I was in short trousers. It's just the way I was brought up.

tim_holsters

Yes very sensitive. If Terry was found to be racist it would be catastrophic for his career.

Who knows exactly what was said and in which context and why?

I don't think he has a case to answer.

tim_holsters

tim_holsters wrote: »

Yes very sensitive. If Terry was found to be racist it would be catastrophic for his career.

Who knows exactly what was said and in which context and why?

I don't think he has a case to answer.

It really wouldn't. He would still play for England and Chelsea because Football Managers pick their best players, not their nicest.

tim_holsters

AdamD wrote: »

It really wouldn't. He would still play for England and Chelsea because Football Managers pick their best players, not their nicest.

You are wrong. If Terry was found to be 100% guilty the clamorous ramifications would be too much for him and his advisors to control. It would be a catastrophe for him. If you think England would still pick him you just haven't been paying attention to certain things. The Kick It Out Campaign for a start.

Brain Stroking

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Are you telling me the story this morning by the mirror was truthful and QPR are lying when they came and denied the story now and that it wont be happening in the future ?

On the Sex Abuse ,

Strange grounds to be threading upon , but again I firmly believe you cant go around making accusations without back up or proof and if you do, that you should be susceptible of the ramifications , IE (Civil/libel case or wasting Garda time charge )

I am not that well versed on the laws of the land but I believe you always need evidence to back up your claims or you are leaving yourself open to recourse .

The bold part. Flawed

Brain Stroking

tim_holsters wrote: »

He's the captain of a multicultural team (2 in fact), whilst that doesn't exclude him from being a racist I would imagine that if it was the case something would have got out by now. That's what I think anyways, very few racists in Premier League teams I'd say.

Wonder whether those American tourists at Heathrow on 9/11 think Terry is a racist? Or how about Ledley King?

Esse85

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

what nonsense.

much ado about nothing.

Its professional sport- go to a baseball game or a basketball game or an under ten team and hear what parents are shouting,

anton wound him up with digs about his wife and he called him a black c*nt.

So what. you say the first thing that comes into your head be that a pointy nose, bald, fat, black. People around here need to get some perspective and anton needs to learn to tell his mother not to be so sensitive and its not the 1970s

doesn't mean he is in favour of slavery or racist. people need to go away and look up the meaning of the word racism

If I call a girl a fat slag does it mean I hate all fat people or women or coal?

The PC brigade need to piss right off and go count frogs in a remote bog somewhere

How are you a moderator?

tim_holsters

Brain Stroking wrote: »

Wonder whether those American tourists at Heathrow on 9/11 think Terry is a rascist? Or how about Ledley King?

The American tourists. They were black? You know exactly what Terry said to them? I don't.

Ledley King? You could explain.

tommyhaas

tim_holsters wrote: »

The American tourists. They were black? You know exactly what Terry said to them? I don't.

Ledley King? You could explain.

He acted like an arsehole in an airport bar just after 9/11. A bit of ****ty thing to do, but it's not racism

Regarding the Ledley King incident, he said something to King v Spurs a few years back and subsequently got sent off. King, along with a few other black players went mad at what he said, speculation obviously suggesting it was a racial remark

Just saw this on the Mirror site

It is alleged by senior QPR officials and sources close to Ferdinand that Terry said to Ferdinand: “Stop acting like a c***.”

Ferdinand immediately retorted: “No, acting like a c*** is s****ing your best mate’s girlfriend.”

Fair play Anton

Brain Stroking

tim_holsters wrote: »

The American tourists. They were black? You know exactly what Terry said to them? I don't.

Ledley King? You could explain.

Terry displayed such obvious xenophobic attitudes to those tourists on 9/11 that i'm sure they would have an interesting opinion is all. It was pretty obvious in the Tottenham incident that he said something that Ledley King and those in the vicinity found disgusting. It was unofficially circulated that he called King a "monkey".
Now i agree that the 9/11 incident does not involve racism per se but xenophobia is in the same ballpark in my opinion. The Ledley King incident, while not proven, left a certain doubt hanging over Terry's head. Couple them together and then add this incident and one can put the pieces together.
The silence from Terry's "multicultural squad" in the past week has been interesting. Maybe the club have put a ban on them speaking while the matter is under investigation or maybe there are rules to be followed in this regard. However surely positive words of support from the likes of Essien, Malouda, Bosingwa, Kalou etc this week would have helped dampen the fire somewhat?

amiable

Terry seems to be very unlucky so many bad things have happened in his life that weren't his fault or someone else got wrong.

Not the first time this has been said

People who know me as a person know I'm not like that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2007/04_april/30/terry.shtml

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Originally Posted by Mr. Incognito
what nonsense.

much ado about nothing.

Its professional sport- go to a baseball game or a basketball game or an under ten team and hear what parents are shouting,

anton wound him up with digs about his wife and he called him a black c*nt.

So what. you say the first thing that comes into your head be that a pointy nose, bald, fat, black. People around here need to get some perspective and anton needs to learn to tell his mother not to be so sensitive and its not the 1970s

doesn't mean he is in favour of slavery or racist. people need to go away and look up the meaning of the word racism

If I call a girl a fat slag does it mean I hate all fat people or women or coal?

The PC brigade need to piss right off and go count frogs in a remote bog somewhere


While I agree with most of your sentiment, I don't think you should drag Leitrim into it. Huh?

amiable

Worth having a look at Anton Ferdinand's Twitter page time line

http://twitter.com/#!/anton_ferdinand

Shanotheslayer

AdamD wrote: »

It really wouldn't. He would still play for England and Chelsea because Football Managers pick their best players, not their nicest.

If you believe Terrys career wouldn't be fooked if he got charged with racism your clearly wrong. He'd get banned for a couple of games minimum and have a much bigger(no pun intended) black mark on his career. Black people would not want a racist playing in the team. You think Cole,Drogba,Malouda,Anelka etc will be happy IF hes proven guilty? Would they in there arse.

I for one hope hes innocent and I do think he is, but don't think of a second that his career would be A-OK if he gets proven guilty.

Blatter

amiable wrote: »

Worth having a look at Anton Ferdinand's Twitter page time line

http://twitter.com/#!/anton_ferdinand

If we weren't sure what Ferdinand's position was before, we certainly are now!

amiable

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

If you believe Terrys career wouldn't be fooked if he got charged with racism your clearly wrong. He'd get banned for a couple of games minimum and have a much bigger(no pun intended) black mark on his career. Black people would not want a racist playing in the team. You think Cole,Drogba,Malouda,Anelka etc will be happy IF hes proven guilty? Would they in there arse.

I for one hope hes innocent and I do think he is, but don't think of a second that his career would be A-OK if he gets proven guilty.

Does being found guilty of making a racist comment automatically make you a racist?

doc_17

Yes. If he said it then he was a racist at the time he said it.

But he can rehabilitate himself, go to a clinic, cry on TV, few token gestures like going to deprived areas where there may be some nice photo ops and it's all ok again.

Richard Hillman

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

AdamD wrote: »

It really wouldn't. He would still play for England and Chelsea because Football Managers pick their best players, not their nicest.

If you believe Terrys career wouldn't be fooked if he got charged with racism your clearly wrong. He'd get banned for a couple of games minimum and have a much bigger(no pun intended) black mark on his career. Black people would not want a racist playing in the team. You think Cole,Drogba,Malouda,Anelka etc will be happy IF hes proven guilty? Would they in there arse.

I for one hope hes innocent and I do think he is, but don't think of a second that his career would be A-OK if he gets proven guilty.

I'm sure Cole, Drogba, Malouda ,Anelka etc have made their minds up already and are not waiting for a frivolous inquiry

amiable

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I'm sure Cole, Drogba, Malouda ,Anelka etc have made their minds up already and are not waiting for a frivolous inquiry

I wouldn't say it's frivolous either. It works both ways.

If Terry is innocent i'd be pretty certain he wants a thorough enquiry to establish this.

Shanotheslayer

amiable wrote: »

Does being found guilty of making a racist comment automatically make you a racist?

Does being found guilty of killing someone automatically make you a killer?


Cleary. He'll be branded a racist if he is proven guilty.

Blatter

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Does being found guilty of killing someone automatically make you a killer?


Cleary. He'll be branded a racist if he is proven guilty.

That's not the best analogy in fairness.

A better on is if you slag someone for being fat, does that mean you hate all fat people?

I don't think Terry is a racist, even if he said it.

However I agree that he'd be probably branded a racist of he's found guilty.

This is developing into something very serious. It will be interesting how it plays out for Terry.

Good to see the enquiry seems to be moving ahead quickly.

But still no word on the Evra/Suarez "incident"

Strange when it happened before the Terry episode...