Formula 1: Round 17 - Indian Grand Prix

vectra · 30-10-2011 11:01am

Autosport wrote: »

Thats it Rosberg hold Alonso up

Don't you mean schumi

Autosport · 30-10-2011 11:04am

vectra wrote: »

Don't you mean schumi

yes i did

Autosport · 30-10-2011 11:10am

Whoa :eek:

vectra · 30-10-2011 11:10am

LOL
there we go..
Massa and Hamilton

Woden · 30-10-2011 11:10am

lol again

amacachi · 30-10-2011 11:11am

Getting a bit old now isn't it?

dastardly00 · 30-10-2011 11:11am

Ah jaysus not again!
Mr. Bean haha

Ghost Train · 30-10-2011 11:12am

Ghost Train wrote: »

Hamilton following Massa hope they don't come together lol

Hamilton falling back though

Looks like a yes to that

Wonder would Hamilton have made the corner

amacachi · 30-10-2011 11:12am

Safety car I'd imagine, just as Button was catching Vettel.

frostie500 · 30-10-2011 11:13am

Why does that incident go under investigation, its clearly just a racing accident

amacachi · 30-10-2011 11:13am

He's allowed to turn in Lewis, he's ahead! Even Coulthard says so like!

amacachi · 30-10-2011 11:13am

frostie500 wrote: »

Why does that incident go under investigation, its clearly just a racing accident

For stupidity. Not the worst ever but one wonders about the point of all those reprimands and final-warnings he's had so far this year.

Autosport · 30-10-2011 11:14am

So Lewis and Felipe visit the stewarts again

amacachi · 30-10-2011 11:16am

If Red Bull want to guarantee the race for Vettel they should trigger another round of stops whenever there's a clear space for him to get back into.

vectra · 30-10-2011 11:19am

Massa drive through
delighted

amacachi · 30-10-2011 11:19am

Jesus that is unbelievable. If I were Massa I'd just go and take Hamilton out later, ridiculous.

Woden · 30-10-2011 11:19am

wtf

I have no strong opinion on Lewis but did not see that going against Felipe

Ghost Train · 30-10-2011 11:19am

Lewis entitled to put his car there so Would be surprised if penalty

Bit harsh on Massa, but good to see Lewis getting break

Commentators laughing at Massa

frostie500 · 30-10-2011 11:22am

THats a terrible decision. How can you be blamed for taking your line into a corner? Hamilton wasnt ahead of him so Massa had every right to take the corner. Pure racing incident

amacachi · 30-10-2011 11:23am

frostie500 wrote: »

THats a terrible decision. How can you be blamed for taking your line into a corner? Hamilton wasnt ahead of him so Massa had every right to take the corner. Pure racing incident

I was happy to see someone turn in on Hamilton when he tried a stupid move, apparently it's not allowed now, ridiculous.

Dcully · 30-10-2011 11:25am

vectra wrote: »

Massa drive through
delighted

why the delight ? Utterly idiotic decision

Ghost Train · 30-10-2011 11:26am

Silly for Massa to do that again on the curb but head might have been elsewhere after the drive through

markc1184 · 30-10-2011 11:27am

Massa didn't learn from yesterday about those kerbs!

vectra · 30-10-2011 11:27am

Dcully wrote: »

why the delight ? Utterly idiotic decision

Hamilton was the faster car and Massa knew that but still cut him off

frostie500 · 30-10-2011 11:29am

vectra wrote: »

Hamilton was the faster car and Massa knew that but still cut him off

So what if there is a faster car behind you a driver should just give way and saw "after you?"

vectra · 30-10-2011 11:31am

frostie500 wrote: »

So what if there is a faster car behind you a driver should just give way and saw "after you?"

Hamilton was beside him and on the inside.

Dcully · 30-10-2011 11:31am

Are you watching a different race , how did he cut him off , he had racing line and was ahead ,nothing he could do .

vectra · 30-10-2011 11:34am

Dcully wrote: »

Are you watching a different race , how did he cut him off , he had racing line and was ahead ,nothing he could do .

If Hamilton was behind. Tell me how did he crash into the side of massa's car?
Look at it again. I must be watching the same race as the stewards. Not sure what one you are watching.

amacachi · 30-10-2011 11:35am

Would like to see them try something different with Button, put him on the hards for 1 lap then when Vettel comes in to put on the hards Button switches to the softs and charges for the last 20 laps. :pac:

Ghost Train · 30-10-2011 11:36am

I think Lewis has been on the end of some questionable decisions, Maldonado crash in Monaco being one of them. This was similar but went the other way

amacachi · 30-10-2011 11:36am

vectra wrote: »

If Hamilton was behind. Tell me how did he crash into the side of massa's car?
Look at it again. I must be watching the same race as the stewards. Not sure what one you are watching.

The front of Hamilton's car hit the side of Massa's car, Massa was ahead. It was ridiculous from Hamilton, he sent it up the inside, realised there was no way to do it, braked and just hoped Massa would go off track.

amacachi · 30-10-2011 11:37am

Ghost Train wrote: »

I think Lewis has been on the end of some questionable decisions, Maldonado crash in Monaco being one of them. This was similar but went the other way

What!? You think he shouldn't have gotten a penalty in Monaco?

frostie500 · 30-10-2011 11:38am

vectra wrote: »

If Hamilton was behind. Tell me how did he crash into the side of massa's car?
Look at it again. I must be watching the same race as the stewards. Not sure what one you are watching.

If Lewis was beside or infront how did his front wing get damaged? There's no reason whatsoever to give a penalty for this kind of incident, both drivers are equally to blame in these sort of incidents.

Dcully · 30-10-2011 11:38am

Never said he was behind , he was not far enough alongside to expect massa to just let him by , as for the stewards decision , they are not always correct, already on the main f 1 race commentaries via the web there's widespread disagreement with the decision. You must be a Hamilton fan ?

Dcully · 30-10-2011 11:41am

Vettel breaks yet another record , class if his own

vectra · 30-10-2011 11:42am

Dcully wrote: »

You must be a Hamilton fan ?

Not a hope there

frostie500 · 30-10-2011 11:43am

Dcully wrote: »

Vettel breaks yet another record , class if his own

Its worth remembering Mansell set that record in a 16 race season in '92

Ghost Train · 30-10-2011 11:45am

amacachi wrote: »

What!? You think he shouldn't have gotten a penalty in Monaco?

I think it could have been judged a racing incident
Could have been judged that Maldonado turned in on Hamilton

amacachi · 30-10-2011 11:46am

Don't expect it at all but would be great if Button somehow had way more on these tyres than Vettel.

Dcully · 30-10-2011 11:47am

vectra wrote: »

Not a hope there

For someone to side with him on that incident I'd have thought they would have to be ,makes your opinion even more bizzare , just like the stewards ofcourse , then again the ex driver for today us English

amacachi · 30-10-2011 11:52am

Sigh, Vettel cruises to another win.

Autosport · 30-10-2011 11:58am

I'm surprised that Alonso is so far off the pace, Button is racing good but Vettel always seems to have that extra bit of pace

vectra · 30-10-2011 11:59am

Dcully wrote: »

For someone to side with him on that incident I'd have thought they would have to be ,makes your opinion even more bizzare , just like the stewards ofcourse , then again the ex driver for today us English

No.
I would see it from a neutral point of view.
The reason I was happy is that it was not another race with the attitude of "Slap another penalty on Hamilton"

vectra · 30-10-2011 12:03pm

Autosport wrote: »

I'm surprised that Alonso is so far off the pace, Button is racing good but Vettel always seems to have that extra bit of pace

Vettel is so lucky to be able to get the heat in to the tyres so quickly he can break that one second gap before drs kicks in.
I would love for someone to be able to stick within the gap for the drs.

Roll on next year.

amacachi · 30-10-2011 12:44pm

I still get the impression that Vettel is sandbagging or at least turning the engine down for long stretches of the race. He always has at least a second a lap in his pocket whenever he needs to open a gap at the start or whenever someone behind starts closing. The difference between his ultimate pace in a race and Webber's is well over a second as far as I can tell which is scary for the rest of the field and for last year.

vectra · 30-10-2011 1:22pm

Dcully wrote: »

Are you watching a different race , how did he cut him off , he had racing line and was ahead ,nothing he could do .

Do you still see it from this point of view?
Loads of replays after the race showed Massa even knew he was there. He looked directly over at him.

EvilMonkey · 30-10-2011 1:33pm

The decision against Massa was a joke even the biased Brundle and DC reluctantly blamed Hamilton. If Massa didn't turn in he would have been off the track.

Hamilton was at fault in my opinion. It was a racing incident no need for a penalty. Seems like Massa gets a penalty because Hamilton was on the radio first. :mad:

Its clear Massa has decided to not just jump out of Hamilton's way and let him through. I hope more drivers do the same. It seems like he cant overtake unless the car in front is caught by surprise or when the car in front doesn't give him room.

If Vettel crashed as much as Hamilton has this year Whitmarsh would be calling him the crash kid and everyone would be questioning his ability to overtake.

amacachi · 30-10-2011 1:46pm

EvilMonkey wrote: »

Its clear Massa has decided to not just jump out of Hamilton's way and let him through. I hope more drivers do the same. It seems like he cant overtake unless the car in front is caught by surprise or when the car in front doesn't give him room.

I've been saying for ages that if Hamilton made his debut 20/25 years ago that he would've gotten nowhere because most of his overtakes are lunges that people would've turned into him for even trying. With that in mind I was delighted to see Massa turn in and maintain his line and couldn't believe he got a penalty. Looks like the message has been sent and the red carpet is ordered.

freestyla · 30-10-2011 2:54pm

Dcully wrote:

Are you watching a different race , how did he cut him off , he had racing line and was ahead ,nothing he could do .

vectra wrote: »

Do you still see it from this point of view?
Loads of replays after the race showed Massa even knew he was there. He looked directly over at him.

I also noticed that Hamilton lift off throttle while he was by Massa's side, then Massa push throttle harder and they collided. Hamilton didn't run full speed over the inside kerbs like lunatic anyway.

Another thing, in my opinion Massa had very many meters of track length on his right side which Hamilton did not, and Hamilton was already being half a car length passing so where to back off? This time Hamilton didn't hit him from the back like in Singapore where you can clearly accuse the guy behind.

Also Hamilton was faster in particular place in previous lap already, had much better exit out of previous corner. Massa didn't manage to work that out the next lap and kept racing line by force which led to collision.

Racing line alright but whole tarmac area is racing track anyway and accident would have been avoided if Massa had moved half a meter more to the right.

So I blame those responsible of NOT WASHING all that dust off the track. Everybody was talking about wide corner entries but how many overtakes happened there actually? a bit boring race because of too strict racing line.

Myrddin · 30-10-2011 4:38pm

I liked the track, seemed like a great atmosphere & show, & an all round excellent event. As a race though, absolute snorefest I thought with the exception of a few incidents.

Formula 1: Round 17 - Indian Grand Prix

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