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About good music

  • 29-10-2011 02:07PM
    #1
    dilbert2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 364 ✭✭


    This is something I've been hearing a lot throughout the years, stuff along the lines of "music isn't what it used to be", or "music just gets worse with every decade" etc etc. But is it really getting any worse, or do we just get a bit grumpy with age and like a good winge now and then?

    For instance, stuff that you would listen to from the 90s, or have in your record/ cd/ computer music collection is most likely a fraction of what actually went on back in the 90s. Most likely, there was as much crap been released back in the 90s, or any other decade (including the 60s etc), its just that you don't hear them anymore, whereas todays crap music we are forced to listen to.

    I know what constitutes crap music is subjective, but you get the idea of the argument.


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  • #2
    Saila
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭Saila


    correct, its all the x factor rubbish, good music is still there its just its harder to hear and not as in your face


  • #3
    Yakult
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,944 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    disposable music, I don't like it.


  • #4
    mrbango
    Closed Accounts Posts: 50 ✭✭mrbango


    That's it exactly. People look at what's out there today and compare it to what was there over the period of a decade. Sure isn't the best of every decade is going have a lot more to offer than what's in the charts in at moment.

    Also did anyone see the southpark episode. Classic:D


  • #5
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Music taste is all relative.

    For example most of my albums I actively listen to are all from about '98 to '03.
    I reached that age where I listen to new bands and think "That's not music, that's bloody horrible!!" which is ironic because I know people who were saying the same thing to me 10 years ago :P


  • #6
    geetar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭geetar


    music is all personal taste, ones mans beethoven is another mans blink182.


    however, it goes without saying music is shíte today :pac:


    id listen to fleetwood mac over rihanna any day.


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  • #7
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    music isn't getting crapper, we're getting older and more cynical.


  • #8
    Wolfe Tone
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    I'm 20, the latest release I have is Whitesnakes last release, Forevermore. I have an absolute sh!t load of music on my PC, all 70s, 80s and early 90s metal and rock. I can't stand chart music, sh!te like Rhianna, Lady Gaga and all that bollocks.

    IMO the music from that time period, 70s 80s and 90s, is far superior to todays sh!te, or maybe its just that the type of music I like was much more popular then.


  • #9
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    Ever since R&B became the hip new thing to be into all music has taken a dive. Personally I blame MTV.


  • #10
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    RichieC wrote: »
    music isn't getting crapper, we're getting older and more cynical.

    It is gettin crapper, you can pick out the remnants of older genres and the odd talented person but for the most part its watered down classics or stretched out jingles.

    Theres very few people in the business who can actually write a great song these days. Thats why ya see so many re-releases and covers. Too many bands/"artists" rely on other peoples work to sell their own.

    Whatever about a type of music you dont like you can still see a song as good. All in my humble opinion of course.


  • #11
    Sinfonia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    The best of the music of the past is dearly treasured and remembered, while most of the rest (from the mediocre to the downright terrible) is forgotten.

    That's why you mostly hear about Bach, Handel, Mozart & Haydn in reference to eighteenth-century music. There were a lot more than four working composers in that hundred-year time period.


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  • #12
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    Ever since R&B became the hip new thing to be into all music has taken a dive. Personally I blame MTV.

    Its a mixture of everything. Its no longer about being an artist its about being a celebrity. x-factor/weslife and all that shíte is just karaoke and nothing else. All about brand with these people, if you can sell something based on what you name is then sell it. Before you actually needed to have some talent to sell your stuff.


  • #13
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    MungBean wrote: »
    It is gettin crapper, you can pick out the remnants of older genres and the odd talented person but for the most part its watered down classics or stretched out jingles.

    Theres very few people in the business who can actually write a great song these days. Thats why ya see so many re-releases and covers. Too many bands/"artists" rely on other peoples work to sell their own.

    Whatever about a type of music you dont like you can still see a song as good. All in my humble opinion of course.

    people make the mistake of mixing up the music industry with the recording industry..


  • #14
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    RichieC wrote: »
    people make the mistake of mixing up the music industry with the recording industry..

    They are the same thing.


  • #15
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,848 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    MungBean wrote: »
    It is gettin crapper, you can pick out the remnants of older genres and the odd talented person but for the most part its watered down classics or stretched out jingles.

    Theres very few people in the business who can actually write a great song these days. Thats why ya see so many re-releases and covers. Too many bands/"artists" rely on other peoples work to sell their own.

    Whatever about a type of music you dont like you can still see a song as good. All in my humble opinion of course.

    I agree everyone is re-doing the classics, originality is going out the window and the death of self penned composition, there is still great bands and musicians out there, its just that every Tom, Dick & Harry is encouraged to emulate their hero and history just repeats. All I can say is thank god for the Electric Picnic festival which documents most of the good stuff.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #16
    Executive Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,373 ✭✭✭Executive Steve


    In this thread - bitter nerds who don't like music, and boring people who can't relate to anything that they didn't like when they were 17.


  • #17
    TimeToShine
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    MungBean wrote: »
    They are the same thing.

    No they aren't, these days to sell music you need charisma, good looks and a good TV personality. A talented musician is almost nothing without these.


  • #18
    Kojak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,801 ✭✭✭✭Kojak


    Ever since Richie Kavanagh wasn't making number 1 hits, music has nose-dived rapidly.

    Bring back Richie I say!!!!!!


  • #19
    Temptamperu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    There was crap music in the 50's 60's 70's 80's 90's and the 00's we only remember the good stuff or at least try to.


  • #20
    Saila
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭Saila


    Executive Steve wrote: »
    In this thread - bitter nerds who don't like music, and boring people who can't relate to anything that they didn't like when they were 17.

    so which one are you then?


  • #21
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    TimeToShine wrote: »
    No they aren't, these days to sell music you need . A talented musician is almost nothing without these.

    They are the same thing, the music industry incorporates the recording industry. These days you dont even need talent you just "charisma, good looks and a good TV personality". You just need to be presentable to the audience and then record other peoples songs and your a famous "artist".


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  • #22
    Colm!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭Colm!


    Music is great. If you don't like music that's made with 12 year old girls as a target audience, stop bitching about the X Factor and go listen to whatever it is that you actually like. If you're ranting about how music has been crap since the 80s, go listen to some bands that use 80s influence. No type of music has "died" entirely. They've just gotten an awful lot less popular and won't be on the radio except for some odd late night show. Find a good internet radio station, get on Grooveshark, maybe sign up to Last.fm and use the internet to find new stuff.

    I quite like a lot of new music, even some of the poppy shite is good at times. But only some of it, and only at times...


  • #23
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭RichieC


    MungBean wrote: »
    They are the same thing, the music industry incorporates the recording industry. These days you dont even need talent you just "charisma, good looks and a good TV personality". You just need to be presentable to the audience and then record other peoples songs and your a famous "artist".

    why are you agreeing yet still contradicting? makes no sense...


  • #24
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Popular music is ****e now, there's still plenty of good music being made though.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #25
    Dudess
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    If we're talking purely pop music, it's definitely gotten drasticallly worse.


  • #26
    losthorizon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,565 ✭✭✭losthorizon


    Personally I think music goes through stages. For long periods its dull and uninteresting and then bands and groups react and you get reinvention. For instance the period 1968 to about 1974 was incredible and then dross for about five years. It took punk and new wave to kick start it again.

    They are showing Top of the POPS on BBC 4 from 1976 regularly and its dross for the main part.


    A reaction will happen against this X factor mush dont worry.


  • #27
    MungBean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭MungBean


    RichieC wrote: »
    why are you agreeing yet still contradicting? makes no sense...

    I'm confused as to who I'm agreeing with and disagreeing with. To be honest I dont even know who I'm talkin to half the time.

    I thought you meant that the recording industry wasnt the music industry and that I seen music today as crap because its just musical entertainment as opposed to the recording industry which was original recordings, art if you will.

    So I just pointed it out its all the same and the recording industry is just part of the music industry which has turned into pure entertainment and the "art" of music has been left behind not just by the front end but also by the recording industry.

    Am I still contradicting myself ? Cos I'm still confused.


  • #28
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    losthorizon wrote: »
    Personally I think music goes through stages. For long periods its dull and uninteresting and then bands and groups react and you get reinvention. For instance the period 1968 to about 1974 was incredible and then dross for about five years. It took punk and new wave to kick start it again.

    They are showing Top of the POPS on BBC 4 from 1976 regularly and its dross for the main part.


    A reaction will happen against this X factor mush dont worry.
    Yeah the 70s post glam and pre punk was shockingly bad. A very Leo Sayer world...


  • #29
    Logical Fallacy
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    Saila wrote: »
    correct, its all the x factor rubbish, good music is still there its just its harder to hear and not as in your face

    It's not really harder to hear though, the internet makes good music very easy to find.


  • #30
    emo72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,400 ✭✭✭emo72


    losthorizon wrote: »
    Personally I think music goes through stages. For long periods its dull and uninteresting and then bands and groups react and you get reinvention. For instance the period 1968 to about 1974 was incredible and then dross for about five years. It took punk and new wave to kick start it again.

    They are showing Top of the POPS on BBC 4 from 1976 regularly and its dross for the main part.


    A reaction will happen against this X factor mush dont worry.

    I remember the early nineties was full of dross like 2 unlimited and black box and cotton eyed Joe and I'm blue ba da be ......really rotten ****e. Then nirvana came and...well...you know saved music. Where will the next nirvana come from?


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  • #31
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    emo72 wrote: »
    I remember the early nineties was full of dross like 2 unlimited and black box and cotton eyed Joe and I'm blue ba da be ......really rotten ****e. Then nirvana came and...well...you know saved music. Where will the next nirvana come from?

    There was a lot of interesting stuff happening before Nirvana...hell, them "saving music" didn't even happen until Nevermind broke...and even then the band themselves had issues with the fact that the album had basically been produced and mastered from a pop perspective.


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