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Windows Phone 7 Launch Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,724 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Any hints of anyone in Ireland carrying these new Nokias? The Lumia 710 is at a fantastic price point (€270 without contract) which I think positions it well to capture some of the budget market


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭wheresmybeaver


    They're far too high up on the device as well. It throws of the n9s balance. I was hoping that nokia would have been allowed to incorporate the buttons into the larger n9 screen. There seems to be some confusion as to whether its a clearblack lcd or the clearblack AMOLED. Not sure if I could justify the 200 difference between the devices though.

    Yeah the buttons being so high is kind of unusual, I suppose it's a symptom of fitting a different resolution screen into the N9 casing. It might make it easier to reach these buttons on a smaller handset however. Will have to try it out to see how it feels. And I believe the screen is the premium AMOLED display (can't remember where I read this, sorry), whereas the Lumia 710 only has the basic clearblack LCD (which is still not a bad display by the looks of things). EDIT: just noticed that the cheaper Lumia 710 has hardware buttons, rather than the capacitive ones on the 800. Not the biggest fan of those.
    MJohnston wrote: »
    Any hints of anyone in Ireland carrying these new Nokias? The Lumia 710 is at a fantastic price point (€270 without contract) which I think positions it well to capture some of the budget market

    I asked O2 Ireland this via twitter about 2 weeks ago and heard nothing back. It's always worth keeping an eye on the O2 UK "coming soon" page, but unfortunately there's nothing WP7-related there right now. Doesn't bode well. Vodafone is the only one I've heard will carry a WP7.5 device, the HTC Titan. The off-contract prices are not completely unreasonable, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭quad_red


    After all that, it's a pretty big let down.

    The Lumia 800 is basically an N9 with a slightly faster processor, half the RAM, a quarter of the storage and with no front facing camera.

    :confused:

    http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/26/nokia-lumia-800-vs-nokia-n9-the-tale-of-the-tape/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭AntiVirus


    quad_red wrote: »
    After all that, it's a pretty big let down.

    The Lumia 800 is basically an N9 with a slightly faster processor, half the RAM, a quarter of the storage and with no front facing camera.

    :confused:

    http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/26/nokia-lumia-800-vs-nokia-n9-the-tale-of-the-tape/

    After all what? The spec's have been out for a good while and I think it was well known that it was going to be using the same chassis as the N9. The only disappointment is there was no Nokia Ace. I agree they should have put on a front facing camera.

    What's with the sudden must have a front facing camera. Video phone's have been around for years but the iPhone has one now so its a must have for everyone. They would have been better off sticking a FM radio on instead which would get far more use.

    On another note, anytime and the only time I've seen someone using the front facing camera their using it to check or put on their make up. Now that I've told my girlfriend that, thats what her and her other friends use their's for. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Odaise Gaelach


    AntiVirus wrote: »
    What's with the sudden must have a front facing camera. Video phone's have been around for years but the iPhone has one now so its a must have for everyone. They would have been better off sticking a FM radio on instead which would get far more use.

    A front-facing camera and Skype support would be excellent.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭AntiVirus


    A front-facing camera and Skype support would be excellent.

    I agreed that they should have put it on but for me its not a deal breaker but it could be a deal breaker for some. As I said above I've only ever seen it used (so far) as a mirror.

    Of course when Skype comes out on the Windows Phones it will change all that. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭DjFlin


    I've still got no interest in facing cameras. Had an old Samsung phone with one years ago, never used it. My 3 year old laptop has one, I literally have never used it. Netbooks got one too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭wheresmybeaver


    A front-facing camera and Skype support would be excellent.
    DjFlin wrote: »
    I've still got no interest in facing cameras. Had an old Samsung phone with one years ago, never used it. My 3 year old laptop has one, I literally have never used it. Netbooks got one too.

    I would agree that for most people a FFC for Skype or whatever has very limited use. ie if you're not going to start switching all your voice calls to video calls just because you have a FFC. I never used it on my old HTC. But for regular Skype video chat users it would be a handy feature. My SO video-skypes a lot with her relations in Germany and the US so the idea of being able to do this on her phone instead of hauling the laptop around the house (quite the 1st world problem I must admit) really does appeal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,277 ✭✭✭evolutionqy7


    I would agree that for most people a FFC for Skype or whatever has very limited use. ie if you're not going to start switching all your voice calls to video calls just because you have a FFC. I never used it on my old HTC. But for regular Skype video chat users it would be a handy feature. My SO video-skypes a lot with her relations in Germany and the US so the idea of being able to do this on her phone instead of hauling the laptop around the house (quite the 1st world problem I must admit) really does appeal.

    Well my mother Skype alot. Her SE W995 is sort of giving up. So i was planning to get her a new phone for Xmas. But without FCC and Skype on the way I don't think its gonna be a Nokia one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭AntiVirus


    Update out now for LG Optimus 7 users! :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Trevor451


    AntiVirus wrote: »
    Update out now for LG Optimus 7 users! :)

    Looks like they added wifi tethering & the ability to add hidden wifi networks! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 992 ✭✭✭danger_mouse_tm


    Starting the LG update now. What are the chances this is going to fix my gps issue? Guess I'll find out within the hour.
    Is it disappointment all round with nokia today? I was hoping for a front facing camera for skype, gorilla glass, lots of memory and the free navtaq maps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭quad_red


    AntiVirus wrote: »
    After all what?

    After the Ace rumours you also mentioned! Instead of just trying to be on par, a proper flagship. Seriously beefy speed, a monster battery.

    Instead it's a slightly downspecced N9 :confused:

    How is this supposed to wow people or have them reconsider WP7?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 992 ✭✭✭danger_mouse_tm


    i'd say the other manufacturers are breathing a sigh of relief.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭AntiVirus


    quad_red wrote: »
    After the Ace rumours you also mentioned! Instead of just trying to be on par, a proper flagship. Seriously beefy speed, a monster battery.

    Instead it's a slightly downspecced N9 :confused:

    How is this supposed to wow people or have them reconsider WP7?

    Ah I thought you where just talking about the Nokia 800 Lumia. Yes I was hoping they would release the Ace but they didn't :(

    I still think the Nokia 800 Lumia is one of the best looking phones out there and the best looking Windows Phone. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,273 ✭✭✭kirving


    Too right they are, not good enough from Nokia in my opinion. Specs are ever more important these days with the likes of the GS2 causing people to actually take noice of underlying specs. Whether it's actually faster or not doesn't actually matter.

    This phone won't sell based on specs alone, and although I like WP7, I don't think it's established enough for people to go for it. I really want Nokia to pic themselves up and release something which will top the charts specs wise.

    N9 Body, with smaller capacitive buttons lower down, very high res screen, N8 camera with LED and Xenon flash, dual core processor, Qt, and a choice of Meego or WP7 would be lovely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Odaise Gaelach


    No sign of wireless tethering or hidden Wi-Fi access points from the update as far as I can see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 992 ✭✭✭danger_mouse_tm


    No sign of wireless tethering or hidden Wi-Fi access points from the update as far as I can see.
    I see a new option in settings called internet sharing. Looks like my lg can tether since the update.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Odaise Gaelach


    That's curious. I've the open firmware too...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,277 ✭✭✭evolutionqy7


    Too right they are, not good enough from Nokia in my opinion. Specs are ever more important these days with the likes of the GS2 causing people to actually take noice of underlying specs. Whether it's actually faster or not doesn't actually matter.

    Ah see that's the problem. Sales people are trained to look at specs and not the actually performance and efficiency.

    When I was being trained up every single OEM rep (excluding Nokia) went out of their way to explain the tid bits and ends of how its dual core processors are the thing everybody wants and its the best thing out there. Tbh ends and whistles dont matter to consumers. They havent a clue what dual core, ghz, ram,rom is.

    Then clueless salesmen walk out of training brainwashed with specs that mean nothing and bring that back to the shops.

    Nearly every mature person or females that walks into a shop looking for a high end device wants a couple of things.

    Either have Apple or Nokia name on it, good battery life, reliable, robust, appealing looks, good camera, easy to use menus and apps. In majority of my cases apps aren't the big selling factor for majority of folks I deal with.

    Very few people i have dealt with have asked me for specs. Most people come into the shop and ask for the best phone.

    Sales men confused with bits and bobs just throw them the top end phone and thats the end of the sale.

    Single core windows phone at 1 GHz is a lot smoother in most cases than any dual core android phone. Ive used LG Optimus 2x, SGS2, HTC Sensation.

    Optimus 2x had a large amount of choppiness between transitions. HTC Sensation was alot more smoother. SGS2 was the smoothest in my case. But it still had a tad small lag once in a while.

    Now im not sure about every one else. But ive sweet **** all lag. The only lag that comes is from badly developed apps (points finger at Facebook and Twitter app). It was an issue in mango due to the platform. But there are plenty of mango apps to prove that WP7 can run as smooth as butter.

    iPhone doesn't need dual core either apart from the fact to enable faster web page loading and better gaming performance.

    Theres plenty of stories on XDA where sales men were actually give free Windows Phones and still had no idea how to use it, ask them a question about a windows phone and they turn blue from confusion and point you to the iPhone. I know none of the people i work with know a thing about windows phone either. I was teaching one of my work mates about the Titan and she actually came to enjoy it after I gave her a tour about it. If some one comes into the shop asking something about windows phones i usually get called out to talk to the customer.

    ______________

    Speaking of facebook app :)

    Looks like they finally might update it

    http://www.wpcentral.com/facebook-will-be-mango-halloween?utm_source=wpc&utm_medium=twitter


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭AntiVirus


    I actually think the Nokia Lumia will sale very well. The majority of people haven't a clue what specs there phone's are. We all do but we're the minority :D

    Also I just sold my girlfriends old iphone for 265 euros and I've been paid, I keep feeling I'm being scammed. How could it have sold for so much, read the thread here if you've the time. See what you think...

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056424052


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,076 ✭✭✭gman2k


    AntiVirus wrote: »
    Update out now for LG Optimus 7 users! :)

    Failed installation for me twice - 8018009b error code. MS support is as useful as a chocolate teapot....:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭pumbah


    I see a new option in settings called internet sharing. Looks like my lg can tether since the update.
    What firmware version are you on?
    I'm getting "no update available"
    with
    Carrier: OPN
    firmware 1.1.2.10
    radio 1.1.2.10
    OS = 7.10.7720.68
    Bootloader = 1.5.1

    got Mango using the forced update trick in Zune, - but am tempted to revert to previous version to see if another update attempt will get me internet tethering...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭AntiVirus


    gman2k wrote: »
    Failed installation for me twice - 8018009b error code. MS support is as useful as a chocolate teapot....:mad:

    Make sure your phone is charged up and try to make as much free room on the phone as possible. eg remove all your music an try again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭Boo_hoo


    pumbah wrote: »
    What firmware version are you on?
    I'm getting "no update available"
    with
    Carrier: OPN
    firmware 1.1.2.10
    radio 1.1.2.10
    OS = 7.10.7720.68
    Bootloader = 1.5.1

    got Mango using the forced update trick in Zune, - but am tempted to revert to previous version to see if another update attempt will get me internet tethering...

    • OS version : 7.10.7720.68
    • Firmware: 1.0.16.10
    • Hardware: 1.0
    • Radio Software: 1.0.16.10
    • Radio Hardware: 0.3.5.0
    • Bootloader: 1.5.10
    • Chip Soc: 0.30.2.0

    Optimus 7 ordered from Germany on Vodafone Ie Network.
    Had previously forced Mango.

    Tethering working.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,748 ✭✭✭Do-more


    pumbah wrote: »
    What firmware version are you on?
    I'm getting "no update available"
    with
    Carrier: OPN
    firmware 1.1.2.10
    radio 1.1.2.10
    OS = 7.10.7720.68
    Bootloader = 1.5.1

    got Mango using the forced update trick in Zune, - but am tempted to revert to previous version to see if another update attempt will get me internet tethering...

    My German Optimus was showing "no update available" when connected by wifi but when I connected it by cable to Zune on my PC the update popped up, just installing it now.

    invest4deepvalue.com



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭GT_TDI_150


    gman2k wrote: »
    Failed installation for me twice - 8018009b error code. MS support is as useful as a chocolate teapot....:mad:

    I got greatr support on the windows phone twitter page when I had issues


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭wheresmybeaver


    Apparently the tethering updates are out for some Samsung Omnias as well. Nothing on the HD7 yet though.

    With regards the "disappointing" Lumia 800 specs; why on earth would you build a handset with unnecessarily higher specs if all it means is that 2% of phone users will be happier? It would ultimately lead to decreased battery life and an increase in cost. WP7, even Mango, still runs perfectly on gen1 hardware.

    Like already said, most smartphone buyers really don't give a shyte about specs; they want to know how the phone looks and feels. And when they try out a handset like the Lumia 800 the lasting impression will be 1) nice looking and 2) buttery smooth and fast. The specs under the hood won't matter an iota. And of course the bonus is better battery life and a cheaper phone.

    Unfortunately Android development has become an arms race with the OS demanding more and more horsepower in order to simply function and operate smoothly, let alone do anything high-end.

    Case in point; my father in law is buying his first smartphone. His choices essentially boil down to 1) what screen size would he prefer, 2) what's the battery life, 3) is it easy to use and 4) does it look snazzy. Unsurprisingly, he's been therefore looking at the Sony Ericsson Arc, the HTC Titan, the iPhone 4S, and now the Nokia Lumia 800 which he really likes the look of. Specs? He couldn't care less provided it works satisfactorily.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭pumbah


    Do-more wrote: »
    My German Optimus was showing "no update available" when connected by wifi but when I connected it by cable to Zune on my PC the update popped up, just installing it now.

    Hmmmm...
    My German Optimus (unbranded) when connected by cable to Zune, still shows "no update available".
    From what I can gather the tethering update is only currently available for the 1.0.13.0 (updates to 1.0.16.0), and not yet available for the 1.1.2.10 version. Did anubody with the 1.1.2.10 version get the tethering update yet?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭Trevor451


    pumbah wrote: »
    Hmmmm...
    My German Optimus (unbranded) when connected by cable to Zune, still shows "no update available".
    From what I can gather the tethering update is only currently available for the 1.0.13.0 (updates to 1.0.16.0), and not yet available for the 1.1.2.10 version. Did anubody with the 1.1.2.10 version get the tethering update yet?

    My advice would be to roll back to NODO (you can do this through ZUNE) and install the mango update officaly. Be sure to back up any files


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