my oil and gas youtube video

newuser89 · 26-10-2011 01:16PM #1

Did anyone else see the video.
Im wondering is all the info in it true if it is this country is a disgrace.

Norwegian people profit from our country resources while we get nothing, surely this cant be true.how did this come about??

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 26-10-2011 01:19PM

Fianna something or other.

MagicSean · 26-10-2011 01:33PM

What video? Is this about those dole scroungers in Mayo who are draining a large part of our Garda resources?

newuser89 · 26-10-2011 01:37PM

Check it on youtube.
It compares ireland and norway on how were so similar yet there economy is doing well because of there countrys oil.
But we gave our oil away to other companys but not sure for what.and our tax on oil profits is way lower than the average so we make little money

Duggy747 · 26-10-2011 01:37PM

Ah yes, the video that is wrong and exaggarates it's "facts". It gives the impression to people that we are sitting on a goldmine and should be living like kings like Norway because they tax 90%............which is a downright lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76VOnzXQMsU

Eric Cartman · 26-10-2011 01:38PM

The problem with that video is even if it were true , it was made by a bunch of lefty hippy dole scroungers who havent washed in weeks and know nothing about gas, oil or economics. So nobody should believe them , they started out by bitching about the pipeline safety but when they realised nobody was listening they changed their concerns

MagicSean · 26-10-2011 01:41PM

I thought it was our natural gas we gave away? When did we strike oil?

Padraig Mor · 26-10-2011 01:45PM

Yawn, always the same with these Shell to Sea spambots. An "innocent poster" "comes across a video" or "hears from a friend" re the supposedly dastardly goings on in Mayo. Just have the balls to come out and say you're S2S!

tony007 · 26-10-2011 01:52PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The problem with that video is even if it were true , it was made by a bunch of lefty hippy dole scroungers who havent washed in weeks and know nothing about gas, oil or economics. So nobody should believe them , they started out by bitching about the pipeline safety but when they realised nobody was listening they changed their concerns

Generalisation.
''So nobody should believe them''- what if their assertions were backed up by facts? Would you still stick your fingers in your ears?

Faith+1 · 26-10-2011 01:53PM

I had tea and toast for my breakfast

Monty Burnz · 26-10-2011 01:54PM

newuser89 wrote: »

Did anyone else see the video.
Im wondering is all the info in it true if it is this country is a disgrace.

Norwegian people profit from our country resources while we get nothing, surely this cant be true.how did this come about??

That video is full of nonsense. Propaganda of the lowest sort - of course those who want to believe it will do so without actually investigating any of the bullsh!t claims.

Eric Cartman · 26-10-2011 02:01PM

tony007 wrote: »

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The problem with that video is even if it were true , it was made by a bunch of lefty hippy dole scroungers who havent washed in weeks and know nothing about gas, oil or economics. So nobody should believe them , they started out by bitching about the pipeline safety but when they realised nobody was listening they changed their concerns

Generalisation.
''So nobody should believe them''- what if their assertions were backed up by facts? Would you still stick your fingers in your ears?

If it was true, a legitimate agency or media organisation would give us a factual version . When shell2sea or indymedia post something, youd be right 9 times out of 10 to call bullshít on it. The two organisations have been proven time and time again to be spouting propoganda and utter lies to further their points.

MungBean · 26-10-2011 02:13PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If it was true, a legitimate agency or media organisation would give us a factual version . When shell2sea or indymedia post something, youd be right 9 times out of 10 to call bullshít on it. The two organisations have been proven time and time again to be spouting propoganda and utter lies to further their points.

It has been brought up my members of the Dail. Independent TD's, the ULA and SF (I think).

I agree that the people involved in that shell2sea campaign have done more damage to the issue than anything but it doesnt make it a non issue.

We have different policies in relation to resources to other countries. They benefit handsomely and we dont. Its not about exposing anything, theres no conspiracy. We just dont benefit in the manner we should because the government got us a really bad deal. The same government that was destroyed in the polls for effectively destroying the economy of this country through their inability to govern it.

One of the FF politicians that dealt with these companies has since been investigated for political corruption and jailed.

If you dont believe a word shell2sea say because of their actions why do you automatically assume the politicians in charge of dealing with the issue were competent seeing as what they have done ?

MagicSean · 26-10-2011 02:16PM

MungBean wrote: »

It has been brought up my members of the Dail. Independent TD's, the ULA and SF (I think).

I agree that the people involved in that shell2sea campaign have done more damage to the issue than anything but it doesnt make it a non issue.

We have different policies in relation to resources to other countries. They benefit handsomely and we dont. Its not about exposing anything, theres no conspiracy. We just dont benefit in the manner we should because the government got us a really bad deal. The same government that was destroyed in the polls for effectively destroying the economy of this country through their inability to govern it.

One of the FF politicians that dealt with these companies has since been investigated for political corruption and jailed.

If you dont believe a word shell2sea say because of their actions why do you automatically assume the politicians in charge of dealing with the issue were competent seeing as what they have done ?

The problem is that there is no evidence that we actually have any resources to exploit. I think the government recently gave 9 out of something like 140 licences for exploration. If those nine should uncover massive amounts of oil or gas then the rest of them become much more valuable.

Patricide · 26-10-2011 02:18PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If it was true, a legitimate agency or media organisation would give us a factual version . When shell2sea or indymedia post something, youd be right 9 times out of 10 to call bullshít on it. The two organisations have been proven time and time again to be spouting propoganda and utter lies to further their points.

Ignorance is bliss eh?

newuser89 · 26-10-2011 02:18PM

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Yawn, always the same with these Shell to Sea spambots. An "innocent poster" "comes across a video" or "hears from a friend" re the supposedly dastardly goings on in Mayo. Just have the balls to come out and say you're S2S!

Im fairly new to boards and i must say there is alot of members who seem to be looking and hoping to come across trolls and people posting spam.dont reply if you cant answer a question.

I came across it on facebook and saw video on youtube now im looking for anyone with info regarding what is the real figures for our oil and gas and who owns what.all yous are saying is no thats not true, tha tha tha cant be real.

i didnt know we had oil either, im just curious

Fran1985 · 26-10-2011 02:21PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The problem with that video is even if it were true , it was made by a bunch of lefty hippy dole scroungers who havent washed in weeks and know nothing about gas, oil or economics.

The main problem though is that there was a huge thread on it a few weeks ago. Both sides seem to be telling porky's in this anyway. If someone else strikes oil on one of those licences then we should move in, otherwise let them keep diggin

Monty Burnz · 26-10-2011 02:27PM

MagicSean wrote: »

The problem is that there is no evidence that we actually have any resources to exploit. I think the government recently gave 9 out of something like 140 licences for exploration. If those nine should uncover massive amounts of oil or gas then the rest of them become much more valuable.

I think you are wasting your time trying to explain this. If people want to understand the issue, they'd have to spend an hour reading up on the economics of the oil industry, and everyone knows that reading is boring.

Much better to believe whatever propaganda is most attractive to you, and repeat it to anyone you think might listen.

MungBean · 26-10-2011 02:35PM

MagicSean wrote: »

The problem is that there is no evidence that we actually have any resources to exploit. I think the government recently gave 9 out of something like 140 licences for exploration. If those nine should uncover massive amounts of oil or gas then the rest of them become much more valuable.

Theres no evidence we have any resources ? Of course there is, theres gas and oil. The fact that the government gave these "licences for exploration" out is the bad deal. Those are not only licence to explore but also a declaration that the state has no claim in anything thats found.

The companies have explored, have found and are profiting from those resources. The exploit is the manner in which those resources can be taken from Irish grounds and sold for profit without the Irish state having any say or any stake in the sale. They have effectively given away any resources that can be found on Irish grounds to whoever wants to find it.

MungBean · 26-10-2011 02:41PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I think you are wasting your time trying to explain this. If people want to understand the issue, they'd have to spend an hour reading up on the economics of the oil industry, and everyone knows that reading is boring.

Much better to believe whatever propaganda is most attractive to you, and repeat it to anyone you think might listen.

If it works for you Monty you stick with it. I on the other hand would like to discuss things rather than just assume I'm right and discount anyone who disagrees with me.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 26-10-2011 02:44PM

tony007 wrote: »

Generalisation.
''So nobody should believe them''- what if their assertions were backed up by facts? Would you still stick your fingers in your ears?

If.

MagicSean · 26-10-2011 02:45PM

MungBean wrote: »

Theres no evidence we have any resources ? Of course there is, theres gas and oil. The fact that the government gave these "licences for exploration" out is the bad deal. Those are not only licence to explore but also a declaration that the state has no claim in anything thats found.

The companies have explored, have found and are profiting from those resources. The exploit is the manner in which those resources can be taken from Irish grounds and sold for profit without the Irish state having any say or any stake in the sale. They have effectively given away any resources that can be found on Irish grounds to whoever wants to find it.

It's not a matter of just sticking a drill in the ground. There's massive costs involved in finding a spot that can be mined. It has to be an attractive offer to entice the oil companies to look for it. And where is all this gas and oil? Where are all these refineries and drilling operations you allude to?

MungBean · 26-10-2011 02:46PM

newuser89 wrote: »

Im fairly new to boards and i must say there is alot of members who seem to be looking and hoping to come across trolls and people posting spam.dont reply if you cant answer a question.

I came across it on facebook and saw video on youtube now im looking for anyone with info regarding what is the real figures for our oil and gas and who owns what.all yous are saying is no thats not true, tha tha tha cant be real.

i didnt know we had oil either, im just curious

You'll learn soon enough that to mutter even the most innocent of questions about these issues your gonna be called a "lefty hippy dole scrounger who hasent washed in weeks and know nothing about gas, oil or economic".

Not that these experts of everything would be prone to generalising or anything.

ArmaniJeanss · 26-10-2011 02:48PM

Fran1985 wrote: »

If someone else strikes oil on one of those licences then we should move in, otherwise let them keep diggin

Thats the way we should operate. Seriously?

Padraig Mor · 26-10-2011 02:50PM

newuser89 wrote: »

Im fairly new to boards and i must say there is alot of members who seem to be looking and hoping to come across trolls and people posting spam.dont reply if you cant answer a question.
im just curious

Bull****.

Every week or so - in here or Politics - it's the same old story. A S2S "undercover agent" pretends to be a naive poster who has only just heard about "the great gas giveaway" via a friend or Youtube link and is wondering if this can be true. The trouble is that the format is always exactly the same with these pseudo enquiring posts.

I came across it on facebook and saw video on youtube.......I'm just curious

Flat out lies. You're a S2S spambot and have likely posted similar crap under a few other usernames as well over the last while.

MagicSean · 26-10-2011 02:51PM

MungBean wrote: »

Not that these experts of everything would be prone to generalising or anything.

Pot/Kettle?

the_syco · 26-10-2011 02:52PM

MungBean wrote: »

They benefit handsomely and we dont.

They will of they start extracting anything

newuser89 wrote: »

Im fairly new to boards and i must say there is alot of members who seem to be looking and hoping to come across trolls and people posting spam.dont reply if you cant answer a question.

We often see people posting here wit little or no posts about something their friend just sent them, and thus we become sceptical of them.

MungBean · 26-10-2011 02:56PM

MagicSean wrote: »

It's not a matter of just sticking a drill in the ground. There's massive costs involved in finding a spot that can be mined. It has to be an attractive offer to entice the oil companies to look for it. And where is all this gas and oil? Where are all these refineries and drilling operations you allude to?

I know theres massive costs, but theres also massive profits. Offering incentive for companies to look for oil is all well and good but if the state doesnt profit to any meaningful degree then whats the point of it ?

You dont have to entice companies to look for it, they are in the business of locating and drilling for oil. If theres a chance there will be oil in an area they will explore that area regardless of incentives. It was upto the government to capitalise on the possibility of oil being there NOT to ensure the greatest profits and smallest losses for the oil company.

Duggy747 · 26-10-2011 03:00PM

What about the licensing terms about tax on gas fields at 25% which can increase to 45% based on the profits? That doesn't sound like the country is getting 0% to me.

We just can't be compared to a country like Norway that's rich in reserves and production.

CIA WORLD FACTBOOK wrote:

Ireland - 431 bbl/day (2010 est.)

Norway - 2.134 million bbl/day (2010 est.)

If we were to have the resources "returned to the people" then the amount of money needed to be spent by the government to search and extract anything wouldn't justify the relatively low profits.

newuser89 · 26-10-2011 03:02PM

Padraig Mor wrote: »

newuser89 wrote: »

Im fairly new to boards and i must say there is alot of members who seem to be looking and hoping to come across trolls and people posting spam.dont reply if you cant answer a question.
im just curious

Bull****.

Every week or so - in here or Politics - it's the same old story. A S2S "undercover agent" pretends to be a naive poster who has only just heard about "the great gas giveaway" via a friend or Youtube link and is wondering if this can be true. The trouble is that the format is always exactly the same with these pseudo enquiring posts.

I came across it on facebook and saw video on youtube.......I'm just curious

Flat out lies. You're a S2S spambot and have likely posted similar crap under a few other usernames as well over the last while.

Haha maybe i should get a job with them if i come across so well as one.
Do they pay well lol

Ok again
i know nothing about this i saw a facebook page my freind liked and i watched the video then i became CURIOUS
S2S made the video but i never heard of them other than that.
I dont really need to defend myself anyway most other people are giving gd info

tell me about the darkside mr.padraig and there black magic that got your pantys tied up

MungBean · 26-10-2011 03:03PM

MagicSean wrote: »

Pot/Kettle?

I wasnt generalising I was stating a fact. You would be under serious pressure finding a thread about these issues without someone discounting the issue on the basis that its propaganda from dirty lefty dole scroungers.

I havent discounted your opinion I'm discussing it with you. Others have no interest in discussing it and just posted to express how little regard they have for the opinions that they disagree with. I'm neither the pot nor the kettle.

my oil and gas youtube video

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